Hostage-taking - probably a terrible idea

[Xianyu 820]

So, we know it's in the standalone. We've seen screenshots of it.

 

But the obvious, glaring issue hasn't been adressed to my knowledge;

 

What's to stop people just logging when they're taken hostage?

 

People log when they're fire at, when they see someone, when they loot whore, when they hear gunshots, when they're injured, when they've got zombies after them.

 

They do it all the goddamn time, for every goddamn reason.

 

So I fail to see how putting someone in handcuffs is going to stop them from 'combat logging'. In fact, I think that it would be a massive, massive incentive for them to do so. They're stuck, being marched around. The moment they're told to sit still, they just close the game.

 

 

 

 

Personally, I hope that if you're in handcuffs and you log out/lose connection/get kicked from the game, you lose your character.

 

That should go for any 'combat' disconnects of any shape or form. Because, hey, you lost connection during a firefight/while you were being chased by zombies. Your life is forfeit, deal with it.

 

 

 

So, is hostage-taking gonna suck?

 

I'll probably just shoot them in the head and be done with it.

 

Might march the odd bandit or two into the middle of Cherno and force them to leap off a building or something, though. For funsies!

[zfleming12 395]

I would think that when they log back in they would still be handcuffed....

[voddler (DayZ) 367]

I would think that when they log back in they would still be handcuffed....

The thing is, if they now get handcuffed.. They could simply come back much later and of course still be handcuffed, but as rocket explained when no one is around and you keep trying to move eventually you'll be free after a while so people don't grief. 

[Xianyu 820]

The thing is, if they now get handcuffed.. They could simply come back much later and of course still be handcuffed, but as rocket explained when no one is around and you keep trying to move eventually you'll be free after a while so people don't grief. 

 

Exactly.

 

Log off, log onto another server. Move around a bit, get free. Resume being a shitstain little combat logger.

[ZlobaRUS54 441]

The logging problem is a solved one in many mods (not sure of official branch now has it too). Keep players character for some time in game as an AI controlled clone object if player logs in a danger situation. 

[Ratsmon 131]

The logging problem is a solved one in many mods (not sure of official branch now has it too). Keep players character for some time in game as an AI controlled clone object if player logs in a danger situation. 

This. Just having an object of the player would be handy because you could still possibly kill him, loot him, cuff him, do whatever you want. :P

[Target Practice (DayZ) 1335]

Aye, that would be the simplest solution. Display a message to whoever put the handcuffs on saying that "Little_Jonny_NoScopezz has disconnected" and leave the character in the game for 20-30 seconds or so. That's plenty of time for the captor to get cruel and creative with the punishment (kneecap 'em then empty their backpack?) or to simply just place a bullet in their skull.

Edited November 6, 2013 by Target Practice

[SmashT 10907]

 

What's to stop people just logging when they're taken hostage?

 

Rocket has said your character will be killed if you combat log while restrained.

http://twitter.com/rocket2guns/status/371260691941826567

Edited November 6, 2013 by SmashT

[zfleming12 395]

Rocket has said your character will be killed if you combat log while restrained.

http://twitter.com/rocket2guns/status/371260691941826567

Is that what he meant?

O.o dang....now that's intense...

[TheCreeper (DayZ) 3565]

Personally, every time any one has ever tried to take my hostage in Day Z, I do what ever I can to make them kill me, its just a game, I WILL NOT entertain some ones power trip by letting them parade my around, make me play stupid games, record it for their crappy youtube channel or what ever, because at the end of them taking you hostage, they're going to kill you any way, dead is dead, my way makes it so I get right back into the game, not letting some one go on a power trip because their life sucks.

 

 

Just as a little side note, last time this happened, I was a fresh spawn outside electro, no weapons, group of three tried to take me hostage, so I ran and made them shoot me, re-spawned at Drackon, ran into electro from the other side, went to the fire house, picked up an AKM, went back for where they were waiting for fresh spawns and killed all of them.

 

Hostage taking I think is be a neat mechanic in the game, just used horribly by the players at large.

 

My two cents,

Creeper

[applejaxc 2500]

How to rage quit DayZ forever.

 

1. Play for 1-3 weeks without dying.

2. Get taken hostage during an electrical storm

3. Loose internet connection for 3 seconds (+/-)

4. Scream at your computer at the top of your lungs.

 

 

I don't think getting your character deleted is fair in any capacity. I would not mind a system like the current "You're in combat, wait 30 seconds to log out," except there's a 5 minute+ timer.

 

But haven't we ALL been in the situation before where we have to leave, our mother/wife/child is nagging us, we're 1 second away from logging out, and then some asshole zombie wacks you through a *wall and you can't log out? It's a massive pain in the ass.

 

 

(I'm not saying a penalty is a bad idea; I'm saying exactly how harsh it is needs to be balanced against fun)

Edited November 6, 2013 by Applejaxc

[Xianyu 820]

Rocket has said your character will be killed if you combat log while restrained.

http://twitter.com/rocket2guns/status/371260691941826567

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS

 

This is perfect! :D

 

 

Personally, every time any one has ever tried to take my hostage in Day Z, I do what ever I can to make them kill me, its just a game, I WILL NOT entertain some ones power trip by letting them parade my around, make me play stupid games, record it for their crappy youtube channel or what ever, because at the end of them taking you hostage, they're going to kill you any way, dead is dead, my way makes it so I get right back into the game, not letting some one go on a power trip because their life sucks.

 

 

Just as a little side note, last time this happened, I was a fresh spawn outside electro, no weapons, group of three tried to take me hostage, so I ran and made them shoot me, re-spawned at Drackon, ran into electro from the other side, went to the fire house, picked up an AKM, went back for where they were waiting for fresh spawns and killed all of them.

 

Hostage taking I think is be a neat mechanic in the game, just used horribly by the players at large.

 

My two cents,

Creeper

 

I'm actually one of the few people who WOULDN'T shoot you.

 

Now, my friend is another matter. He's all for being a prick bandit, and he is the source of my one 'random' kill in the DayZ world. Popping some poor guy in the face with a CZ 550 while he was running across an open field.

 

ANYHOW. I'd handcuff you and leave you there.

 

My modus operandi will be to force a surrender, handcuff the player, no matter who they are. If they're a bandit, they get a swift double-tap to the face. Then I'm going to walk away. If it's a new spawn, I might even leave them a weapon.

 

And then I'll wait somewhere quiet and if they follow me, I'll double-tap them and be done with it.

[Frytek 130]

I wouldnt want it to be like your character dies because your internet connection is unstable.

Creeper you know what. Many people here are butthurt because noone does holds up, robs or whatever. You are one of these reasons for me to dont bother playing banditry. I wanted to try it again not so long ago. I said drop your gear. And he said:just kill me. Shoot me in the head. So I shot him...and it was really saddening experience.

[Xianyu 820]

I wouldnt want it to be like your character dies because your internet connection is unstable.

And if you had a zombie eating your face and your connection dropped? If you were passed out in a fire and your connection dropped? If you were in a helicopter and your connection dropped?

 

Why should being handcuffed/being in combat be any different? Luck of the draw, and you lost.

[TheCreeper (DayZ) 3565]

I wouldnt want it to be like your character dies because your internet connection is unstable.

Creeper you know what. Many people here are butthurt because noone does holds up, robs or whatever. You are one of these reasons for me to dont bother playing banditry. I wanted to try it again not so long ago. I said drop your gear. And he said:just kill me. Shoot me in the head. So I shot him...and it was really saddening experience.

 

 

The fact I don't play the game you want makes you butthurt as well, after playing this game for over a year and a half, adminning on gods only knows how many servers, I've seen and done it all, I've been the worst bandit to the nicest hero you would ever meet, I learn about things before opening my mouth about them, I've tried holding people up, and the first thing to happen was the person I tried holding up, they opened fire, if you're going to lose all your stuff might as well just die, they want to ruin my fun of playing the game, I'll ruin their fun of doing a stick up.

 

 

You play the game how you want, I'll play it how I want, end of story.

[thelonewarrior 886]

Just because someone holds you up and wants to disarm you doesn't mean they are robbing you

Some people want to do it instead of saying friendly and hoping they don't get betrayed, they are literally (like me) testing if your hostile

If your non hostile and already past the point where they could have surprised you and killed you before you knew they were there they are not going to kill you so dropping your weapon extension Is to make them feel safe

On the other hand, if they snuck up on you and said 'dont turn around it ill shoot you, drop your weapons' and the victim does turn around, then they were clearly hostile and deserved to die

But your right they no one ever listens, but they should, because clearly if your gun is aimed at them and they haven't seen you, you would kill them in that moment there instead of bothering to make contact

[-Gews- 7443]

I wonder what tools they've put in game for taking hostages in the first place, because I wouldn't allow anyone to put cuffs on me. I just hope they've removed the "shoot them in the back with a powerful rifle" method. :lol:

[ZlobaRUS54 441]

Invest in ups, backup internet line, babysitter, whatever. If you still cannot handle it. maybe your lifestyle calls for more casual games that you can pause at a moment notice.

[OfficerRaymond 2064]

I'm sure there will be anti-combat logging measures in the standalone.

[Hetstaine 10852]

How to rage quit DayZ forever.

 

1. Play for 1-3 weeks without dying.

2. Get taken hostage during an electrical storm

3. Loose internet connection for 3 seconds (+/-)

4. Scream at your computer at the top of your lungs.

 

 

I don't think getting your character deleted is fair in any capacity. I would not mind a system like the current "You're in combat, wait 30 seconds to log out," except there's a 5 minute+ timer.

 

But haven't we ALL been in the situation before where we have to leave, our mother/wife/child is nagging us, we're 1 second away from logging out, and then some asshole zombie wacks you through a *wall and you can't log out? It's a massive pain in the ass.

 

 

(I'm not saying a penalty is a bad idea; I'm saying exactly how harsh it is needs to be balanced against fun)

 

 

 It is totally fair. Have you forgotten the eight kabillion threads on combat logging ? I had a hopelessly shit internet connection up until two weeks ago and the amount of times i dropped out in bad/good situations sucked massive horse testicles but unlucky for me. 

 

If you are cuffed and log for any reason, then death is good :) It should be harsh. It is the only way to stop the huge percentage of people who will just log in situations like this.

[Sugar Jakobs 20]

Invest in ups, backup internet line, babysitter, whatever. If you still cannot handle it. maybe your lifestyle calls for more casual games that you can pause at a moment notice.

Oh forgive us, Lord of the Internet - what with your ever-lasting connection that could never possibly drop for any feasible reason! Please, guide us on the path to glorious hardcore gaming, you humble bundle of insecurities.

 

Back on topic; I have successfully held up a couple of people in my experiences. It has never been for looting reasons however, merely to be assured of my safety and their own. Who knows? I might even have some gear you'd been looking for spare? Anything could happen in Day Z - some people with hurt egos simply ignore this fact.

Edited November 7, 2013 by Sugar Jakobs

[Dekkymane 145]

How to rage quit DayZ forever.

 

1. Play for 1-3 weeks without dying.

2. Get taken hostage during an electrical storm

3. Loose internet connection for 3 seconds (+/-)

4. Scream at your computer at the top of your lungs.

 

 

I don't think getting your character deleted is fair in any capacity. I would not mind a system like the current "You're in combat, wait 30 seconds to log out," except there's a 5 minute+ timer.

 

But haven't we ALL been in the situation before where we have to leave, our mother/wife/child is nagging us, we're 1 second away from logging out, and then some asshole zombie wacks you through a *wall and you can't log out? It's a massive pain in the ass.

 

 

(I'm not saying a penalty is a bad idea; I'm saying exactly how harsh it is needs to be balanced against fun)

Tip: Don't get taken hostage ^^

[Siberian (DayZ) 527]

as long as the victim has to agree to be handcuffed i have no problem with whateva they decide to do to stop people from logging out...

 

but if they make it so any fricken jackass griever can just run past you and handcuff you without consent, then NO chance...

 

this game already has enuf issues with asshat grievers, giving them handcuffs that basicly remove player control is a sure fire way to invite a HUGE problem among the player base...

[applejaxc 2500]

Tip: Don't get taken hostage ^^

 

Tip: You think DayZ ninja's can't sprint up behind you and quickly scroll-"take hostage" (or whatever the controls are) while you're in your inventory screen?

[applejaxc 2500]

 It is totally fair. Have you forgotten the eight kabillion threads on combat logging ? I had a hopelessly shit internet connection up until two weeks ago and the amount of times i dropped out in bad/good situations sucked massive horse testicles but unlucky for me. 

 

Or they could log back in still handcuffed up. *shrug* I don't feel like your legalist approach is fair.