GPS and Waypoints

[BC_Hawke 276]

One of the server variables allows or disables using waypoints by shift+clicking on the map, and many servers allow this which makes it way too easy to navigate the map and renders rangefinders (previously an end-game item) useless.  It would be great if this was removed as a server variable and set so that you cannot set a waypoint unless you have a GPS on your toolbelt.

[applejaxc 2500]

I was literally just thinking about that before opening the DZ forums... and I'm a little mixed. I feel like it would be irritating to lose, but overall it's probably better removed from the game, unless you have a GPS and you can set marks on it that show on your mini GPS instead of on your screen (like in GTA, Red Dead Redemption, et cetera Rockstar titles)

[enforcer1975 1111]

You shouldn't be needing extra on screen waypoints if you already have your minimap from the GPS. If you still get lost you might want to take some lessons in navigation first.

I would also love to see navigating on maps a bit harder, if you don't have the tools either stay close to the main routes or towns of good luck running in the woods for days. If you have the tools you need the personal skills, lots of people see it as a challenge but maybe our xbox generation doesn't...

Edited October 28, 2013 by Enforcer

[wild_man 4442]

is obvious true thing after apocalypse happen GPS stop working same like mobile phones and internet etc

 

for this reason GPS is no good don't belong for dayz ;)

 

also waypoint is shit thing I never use because is same like 3rd person for me, is crutch for weak guys :P

 

I don't need this with sun and moon for navigate and sometime bonus compass

 

also is fun sometime be lost in game, is normal if you don't know where you are you are lost, I enjoy look for road maybe sign try understand where is I am :huh: is add to game

 

no magic green numbers help me in London other day, I walking around  lost for 2 hour before I ask police where I am now??? :|

Edited October 28, 2013 by KoS

[weparo 613]

I agree, GPS would not work in the apocalypse because nobody would "re-arrange" the satelites, and after a couple of weeks they would swing out of orbit and eventually crash. The waypoint system should be abolished too, i really is waaay to easy. Maybe some navigation with a watch and the sun? For those knowing how to do so.

[mercules 1290]

The GPS in your phone typically uses a LPS system where it determines your locations based off of triangulation with cell towers all of which are known to the master DB. These sorts of systems would still be somewhat functional although the accuracy would be reduced.

In addition it would take a while, months and years for the satellite network to be so far out of orbit that it would become inaccurate much less crash. Some are automated to retain their location. We don't know how long the infection has been going on, it could be days, weeks, months, but it hasn't been years and we have no indication it has spread beyond Chernarus. Other parts of the world could be fine and have quarantined the area and so satellites could be up and working fine.

[wild_man 4442]

The GPS in your phone typically uses a LPS system where it determines your locations based off of triangulation with cell towers all of which are known to the master DB. These sorts of systems would still be somewhat functional although the accuracy would be reduced.

In addition it would take a while, months and years for the satellite network to be so far out of orbit that it would become inaccurate much less crash. Some are automated to retain their location. We don't know how long the infection has been going on, it could be days, weeks, months, but it hasn't been years and we have no indication it has spread beyond Chernarus. Other parts of the world could be fine and have quarantined the area and so satellites could be up and working fine.

 

after national power system collapse all phone mast/cell tower etc stop send/recieve signal :thumbsup:  :rolleyes:

 

sattelites continue send signal but no system for recieve and broadcast data

 

GPS die :|

Edited October 28, 2013 by KoS

[mercules 1290]

Hey... look at that... there are lights on in some places. Communications systems tend to have more hardened systems for obvious reasons. 

[wild_man 4442]

Hey... look at that... there are lights on in some places. Communications systems tend to have more hardened systems for obvious reasons. 

 

is dayz

 

we talking about post apocalypse all infrastructure collapse :o

 

no power :|

 

no power = no GPS  

 

is fact :P

[OfficerRaymond 2064]

Meh. I use it occasionally when i'm on back roads. I think it could be implemented better, but I don't think it should be removed.

[wild_man 4442]

GPS and waypoint :huh:

 

both is leftover military feature from arma  

 

waypoint is magic no exist in real life :D

 

GPS is impossible for exist after apocalypse :huh:

 

both should be high on list for remove :thumbsup:  ;)

Edited October 28, 2013 by KoS

[ImageCtrl 719]

GPS is impossible for exist after apocalypse :huh:

Sure that satellites get down when zombies becomes real?

GPS will work when you have batteries after the apocalypse 7.5-20 years (lifetime of satellites).

Remove the waypoint option. :thumbsup:

Edited October 28, 2013 by NoCheats

[wild_man 4442]

Sure that satellites get down when zombies becomes real?

GPS will work when you have batteries.

Remove the waypoint option. :thumbsup:

 

GPS using triangulate system from satellite and mobile antenna/phone mast network

 

for operate network of telecommunication antenna you need constant power from national power infrastructure

 

for national power infrastructure you need 100's people going every day for work keep power station running, keep sub station operating, keep power line maintain good condition doing repair etc

 

all this is need for GPS system to operate  :thumbsup:  ;)

 

after apocalypse none of this exist in way for allow GPS for exist :|

 

is simple fact of what happen when infrastructure collapse :thumbsup:  ;)

 

example after Katrina happen GPS don't work in new Orleans area

 

after japan tsunami close power station GPS don't work there

 

I know some guys are lazy and don't want to put effort into find location in realism way :P

 

but dayz is post apocalypse game about struggle for survive

 

first challenge? where I am? where I going? :thumbsup:  :rolleyes:

[ImageCtrl 719]

for operate network of telecommunication antenna you need constant power from national power infrastructure

German wiki toled me nothing about that.

German wiki... for function of GPS you need 3 satellites and a "special" GPS or a normal GPS and 4 satellites. The 4th sattelite is calculating the missing function of normal GPS.

 

Edit:

"example after Katrina happen GPS don't work in new Orleans area

after japan tsunami close power station GPS don't work there"

 

ah ok. Think than you are right.

Edited October 28, 2013 by NoCheats

[wild_man 4442]

German wiki toled me nothing about that.

German wiki... for function of GPS you need 3 satellites and a "special" GPS or a normal GPS and 4 satellites. The 4th sattelite is calculating the missing function of normal GPS.

 

Edit:

"example after Katrina happen GPS don't work in new Orleans area

after japan tsunami close power station GPS don't work there"

 

ah ok. Think than you are right.

 

 

there is alternative GPS system use by military special forces guys and rich oligarch guys :thumbsup:  :)

 

this use only satellite postion and handset

 

but satellite need reposition regular times for accurate data, and this need team of professional tech guys who train for this

 

after apocalypse the place where this is happen close for sure and don't get power no more anyway so equipment is useless now  :|

 

point is all GPS systems don't work for long time, maybe few days maximum after apocalypse happen, after is finish for ever  :thumbsup:  ;)

 

but more important point is dayz is better experience when guys play with no crutch

 

getting lost is fun :D

Edited October 29, 2013 by KoS

[h3l1x 327]

KoS you've got it mixed up in your head.We are talking about GPS systems here, not A-GPS used in mobile phones, neither D-GPS. Normal GPS doesn't need antennas, towers or anything.

 

And since I posted, let me say that waypoints should be removed. We have a map, we have a compass, we have a GPS receiver. We really don't need magical arrows.

Edited October 29, 2013 by h3l1x

[wild_man 4442]

KoS you've got it mixed up in your head.We are talking about GPS systems here, not A-GPS used in mobile phones, neither D-GPS. Normal GPS doesn't need antennas, towers or anything.

 

And since I posted, let me say that waypoints should be removed. We have a map, we have a compass, we have a GPS receiver. We really don't need magical arrows.

 

I know this what you say :beans:

 

but is need equipment and guys on earth to make systems operate and position satellite etc and these needing POWER and staff and infrastructure :huh:

 

after infrastructure collapse like apocalypse situation all this gizmo don't work because foundation of civilize world is finish :o

 

waypoint definitely should go, for me also gps

Edited October 29, 2013 by KoS

[ImageCtrl 719]

GPS is needed as endgear. :P

[wild_man 4442]

GPS is needed as endgear. :P

 

 

why???

[AP_Norris 1018]

is dayz

 

we talking about post apocalypse all infrastructure collapse :o

 

no power :|

 

no power = no GPS  

 

is fact :P

GPS runs off battery and the GP satellites are completely self sufficient.

isn't really a necessary piece of equipment for anybody that knows the map half well and also knows how to read a map and contour lines.

I personally go just fine without a GPS I would rather have it for vehicles and also in vehicles first person view showing a gta waypoint like applejax said.

[wild_man 4442]

GPS runs off battery and the GP satellites are completely self sufficient.

isn't really a necessary piece of equipment for anybody that knows the map half well and also knows how to read a map and contour lines.

I personally go just fine without a GPS I would rather have it for vehicles and also in vehicles first person view showing a gta waypoint like applejax said.

 

 

satellite is not self sufficient things  >:(

 

is need teams of expert guys on earth with specialist equipment to manage and do 're-task' of satellite is need constantly supervise this shit

 

this place where work happen need power and workers, if apocalypse happen I don't think this guys saying 'shit, 90% world population dead, power is off and infrastructure finish, is ok, we going to work like normal make magic power source and keep GPS system going for survivor in Russian state chernarus so they find NWAF no problem'  :thumbsup:  :D

 

this don't have place in post apocalypse world, is not fit with scenario rocket saying :|

Edited October 29, 2013 by KoS

[ImageCtrl 719]

satellite is not self sufficient things  > :(

 

is need teams of expert guys on earth with specialist equipment to manage and do 're-task' of satellite is need constantly supervise this shit

KoS, in the time of the internet, please check your "facts" first, before presenting them as "facts".

My first post looks for me like facts.

German Wiki tells exactly the opposite.

Google translate: It is often mistakenly noted that this path differences led to a positioning error of several kilometers per day, if they were not corrected. The errors are negligible.

[wild_man 4442]

KoS, in the time of the internet, please check your "facts" first, before presenting them as "facts".

My first post looks for me like facts.

German Wiki tells exactly the opposite.

Google translate: It is often mistakenly noted that this path differences led to a positioning error of several kilometers per day, if they were not corrected. The errors are negligible.

 

guys you have soo much fear of losing this crutch

 

I let my friend explain

 

After the zombie uprising, the ability to navigate to safety or to find resources is going to be a key to survival. Getting lost in the woods on the way to loot a WalMart is a quick way to die. So, you might be saying to yourself, “I’ll just use my trusty GPS system to get around – that never fails me.” And you’d be DEAD wrong. To understand why, it’s important to understand how GPS works. “Satellites right?” Sure thing there Isaac Newton, but let’s look at it in a little more detail.

 

GPS or Global Positioning System is a project run by the US Government, The Air Force Actually. The Air Force keeps a minimum of 24 satellites orbiting the Earth broadcasting a radio signal with their time and position. Currently there are a number of redundant systems should a problem occur. That’s the technology part. However, the weakest link in the security of any system is the human part. These satellites need constant adjustment. The ground operations are relative complex, and handled by 2nd Space Operations Squadron (2SOPS) . Their operations consist of a Master Control Station in Colorado, as well monitoring stations and antennas all over the world.

 

This system allows the military to fire a cruise missile form a ship and have it fly through the correct window of the building. So, in ZA world, we have to assume an eventual breakdown in society, and perhaps the military becoming overwhelmed. What if the monitoring or Master Control Station were abandoned? How long would the GPS system serve us? Turns out, not very long. Without constant adjustments to the satellite’s clocks, they will be useless almost immediately.

 

Now here’s some science stuff: Because of relativity (you know the Einstein stuff), time is actually different on Earth than it is in Space. So the clock shift in the satellites put the GPS coordinates off by 11 kilometres a day. 11 clicks is some extreme discrepency – enough to mean the difference between arriving at a well-stocked military base and becoming zombie poop. (Do zombies poop? We’ll examine that at another time). So Mr. Fancy Technologypants, where does that leave you. Well sonny, when I was a boy, they made these things called maps and compasses. Turns out they still make them, and they still work. Get yourself some topographical maps and a compass, take a course in orienteering.

Edited October 29, 2013 by KoS

[ImageCtrl 719]

Maybe your friend should edit the wiki than, it´s easy with proof. Your friend is right, when only 3 sattelits would be in space. But this is not the case.

Edited October 29, 2013 by NoCheats

[sausagekingofchicago 4711]

Waypoints need to go. Moving across the map is far more fun and challenging without them.