Helicopter stolen again... le sigh....

[JPWiser 251]

Anyone else have this issue, where you play on a moderately low populated server and spend hours and hours getting a chopper going for your group of people you may play with.  Have one or two glorious nights with it only for it to be mysteriously "found" and stolen?

 

I find it hard to believe twice now within a couple days of getting my chopper going, that it was just "stumbled upon" by some lucky bastard.  No one just happens to be running through a forest in the middle of butt fawk no where that goes even further into butt fawk no where.

 

Can server admins see where the vehicles are on the map?

 

What is the likelyhood it was found via maphack or something of the sorts?

 

Really discouraging.

 

[meat pie 632]

Ya on namalsk some one some how found my suv that was in the middle of the woods in the middle of no where in less then a day

It sucks but you have to deal with it.

[fluxley 2228]

I find buttfuck nowhere to be the best place to look for heli's if there are non at there spawn points.

 

Sure it's possible that someone is using a map hack to find them but it's just as likely that someone found them legit,

As theres no way of knowing its best to just put it down to bad luck and carry on.

[mercules 1290]

There are additions to servers that can locate vehicles and items on the map. If the admin has access to the DB they can look up the game world coordinates and using a map editor figure out roughly where it is from that. However, if this is an official Hive server then the admins do not typically have any access to that sort of thing. 


What is more likely is not that someone is running into it on foot out in the middle of nowhere but that someone is flying over in a helicopter and noticing it. Typically it takes a long time to find a chopper and get it fixed up with my friends but when we do we then start canvassing the map. Since you can fly from one corner of the map to the other with less than a 1/4 of the fuel a helicopter can survey the entire map one a couple tanks of fuel and it would only take a few hours to do so even stopping off at helicopter crashes and such. It is VERY difficult to hide a helicopter from another helicopter.

[JPWiser 251]

Fair enough, however I know for a fact the little bird is still on the ground, and we had the Mi15, and we had canvassed the map 3 times almost from corner to corner.  Also our truck and atvs close by were untouched.  All the gear still in tact. Not even a beefsteak missing.

 

Seemed very suspicious.

 

And considering me and my 3 buddies are the most predominant active users of this server, and have never seen a chopper and pretty much are watching 90% of the vehicle spawns...

 

Meh I dunno just sucks balls, Im over it.

[rossums 2190]

You'd be surprised the things you can find if you jump on the ATV and hug the northern and western boundaries of Chernarus.

[ameo_koradi@hotmail.com 103]

There are additions to servers that can locate vehicles and items on the map. If the admin has access to the DB they can look up the game world coordinates and using a map editor figure out roughly where it is from that. However, if this is an official Hive server then the admins do not typically have any access to that sort of thing. 

 

 

Nop, that's wrong, we cannot change anything, but we have this kind of informations.

[rn_max 202]

Vehicle theft and tent raiding by cheating to find the location happens on moderately populated servers in the public hive as well, without any admins having third party tools.

 

There are "apps" out there that intercept the necessary information and provide "ESP" (formerly known as map hacking) capability.

 

Whether the server is spoofed to obtain information from the hive, or the information is milked from the server, who is to say but those who know where the vulnerability lies and how to query it.

 

The regulars on our server have done some discrete experiments and used all manner of locations for stashes and vehicles.  Without fail they are all located and raided by cheating to determine their location, within a day or so of being placed.  There simply isn't enough time in the day to legitimately search the entire map grid by grid and there isn't enough player traffic to make it all by chance discovery EVERY time.

 

A tent was completely concealed in a group of pine trees, in a forest way off the beaten track in the middle of the map.  Only certain items were placed in that tent and it was completely untouched.  Then at some expense,  rangefinders, GPS's or NVG's were added to the contents.  As if by magic, each time only those items disappeared and the rest of the contents were left, including military weapons such as a Bizon SD and an M240.

 

Not only are the sticky-fingered cheats map-hackers, they are so choosy that their visits are blatantly obvious.  Even worse, they abandon the aircraft within a day or two or crash them anyway.

 

The rub?  The only way to determine their identity, other than to have 24 hour admin cover (never happen of course, its only a game) would be to audit the logs and find out who is regularly collecting these rare items and aircraft.

[Diggydug (DayZ) 331]

"No one just happens to be running through a forest in the middle of butt fawk no where that goes even further into butt fawk no where."

 

I do, in hopes of finding things that aren't mine.

[☣BioHaze☣ 7337]

No quadrant unsearched.

 

I have found amazing camps and many a pristine vehicle when I go out of my way to search the most remote areas.

 

I guess being a thief is the "worst" thing I do in DayZ.

 

I've laid in tall grass watching guys patch up a truck in their camp and then drive off in other vehicles.

 

I just ran in behind them and took the truck like it was mine.

 

If someone shot me while looting their camp, I always thought I could accept that as a reason for PvP.

[Bludy 324]

come buddy..here my beanz

[OfficerRaymond 2064]

What most likely happened, is another group of people had their own chopper and went looking for others hard work. When they find one, they merely have someone eject and take it.

[JPWiser 251]

Again, I find it hard to believe knowing the little bird is still in the hanger at the NEAF, and pretty much knowing 90% of the server pop by name, using the same server every day, that some random group of people managed to get another chopper going that found it.  Our group owns both ATV's on the server as well.  Also that our truck, second ATV, all the gear on both vehicles that was 50 meters from the chopper was untouched.  Definitely was not a "random" occurance nor was it found by intentional exploration.

[JPWiser 251]

Vehicle theft and tent raiding by cheating to find the location happens on moderately populated servers in the public hive as well, without any admins having third party tools.

 

There are "apps" out there that intercept the necessary information and provide "ESP" (formerly known as map hacking) capability.

 

Whether the server is spoofed to obtain information from the hive, or the information is milked from the server, who is to say but those who know where the vulnerability lies and how to query it.

 

The regulars on our server have done some discrete experiments and used all manner of locations for stashes and vehicles.  Without fail they are all located and raided by cheating to determine their location, within a day or so of being placed.  There simply isn't enough time in the day to legitimately search the entire map grid by grid and there isn't enough player traffic to make it all by chance discovery EVERY time.

 

A tent was completely concealed in a group of pine trees, in a forest way off the beaten track in the middle of the map.  Only certain items were placed in that tent and it was completely untouched.  Then at some expense,  rangefinders, GPS's or NVG's were added to the contents.  As if by magic, each time only those items disappeared and the rest of the contents were left, including military weapons such as a Bizon SD and an M240.

 

Not only are the sticky-fingered cheats map-hackers, they are so choosy that their visits are blatantly obvious.  Even worse, they abandon the aircraft within a day or two or crash them anyway.

 

The rub?  The only way to determine their identity, other than to have 24 hour admin cover (never happen of course, its only a game) would be to audit the logs and find out who is regularly collecting these rare items and aircraft.

 

 

 

Glad to see others are fairly suspicious as well.  Weird you mentioned the range finder, I magically was snipered from 500+ meters 5 mins after I found the only one ive seen so far at a downed chopper....

 

And yeah it definitely hurts to know the work we put in to that chopper is going to be wasted after a quick joy ride.

[creature 1189]

 Definitely was not a "random" occurance nor was it found by intentional exploration.

 

You don't know that.

If I want a heli on any random server, I WILL find one. Especially after running my own server for almost a year, I know most every hiding place people think are "good spots". Most people see a heli and high tail it the hell outta there fast with it, giving 0 fucks about what else might be around. Once you have the heli, you can anything you want in short order.

[weparo 613]

And yeah it definitely hurts to know the work we put in to that chopper is going to be wasted after a quick joy ride.

 

THIS! I wouldn't even mind people taking my chopper, if they'd bring it back... Just some script kiddies, looking for a little thrill :(

[Vicco 123]

It's hard to tell what's happened.  I know on my private server it's necessary to respawn all vehicles when too many get blown up.  That's using DayzCC. 

I can see where all vehicles are, and players.  No idea what admins can see or do on other servers.

Personally, unless I've talked to the admin, or have some time playing on a server with no issues, I don't trust them. 

 

But here's something Shosho has on one of his vids, and said he used to keep his chopper. 

He always has a rotor in his backpack before he logs off next to his chopper, hidden way out somewhere.

Shoots out the rotor on his chopper before he logs.

 

He didn't say it works every time, or even most times.  Mostly mentioning a neat trick I think.  Seems better than nothing.

Not foolproof.  Somebody might find the chopper and go find a rotor, or just shoot the chopper up. 

 

 

 

[geryon 180]

Early days of US434 several regulars would fix the Mi17 whenever it spawned.  They would park it off map 4 kms off and within a day it would get stolen and crashed by a hacker.  You ban the hacker, rinse and repeat the next time Russian spawns.

 

Players give up the game and a new group comes in.  They experience the same thing, rinse and repeat.

 

Basically high value vehicles have a steal me sign on them.  I've noticed a lot of experienced players treat helis as vehicles of opportunity.  They don't bother investing the time to fix them but if stumbled upon will take it an use it until crashed or stolen themselves.  Most of the time helis seemed to be built by players who have passed noob stage but are not quite grizzled and jaded.  They still have optimism that building a heli and keeping it for a long time is still possible.

[Hetstaine 10852]

Stuff your chopper ..i lost a pbx full of fish recently.

[fluxley 2228]

Stuff your chopper ..i lost a pbx full of fish recently.

 

Catch any Tuna?

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

I find it hard to believe twice now within a couple days of getting my chopper going, that it was just "stumbled upon" by some lucky bastard.  No one just happens to be running through a forest in the middle of butt fawk no where that goes even further into butt fawk no where.

Many players sole aim in the game is to hunt for heli's vehicles etc. and they'll look EVERYWHERE.

 

I used to constantly find other peoples vehicles etc. (by actively hunting for them) and the server I played on had it's own forums.  The clan I was stealing from kept making posts much like yours asking the admins to sort out the hacking situation.  For whatever reason they seemed to think they were the cleverest payers in the world and they also underestimated the patience other players have when searching for things.  In their mind it HAD to be a hacker finding their stuff because nobody should have apparently been able to find their gear.

 

They were wrong.

Edited October 4, 2013 by Fraggle

[hogscraper 328]

Once I get a gun, even if its an enfield, I head north, kill my own food, scavenge for water, and steal people's shit. Why? I decided one day, for no reason, that I hate hoarders. Nothing personal but I work to take from them and give to the poor. I take heli's and park them in Stary. Take cars, offer to give a player a ride, then surprise them with a free car at the end of it. I have spent entire evenings riding a bicycle through the north, quardrant by quadrant until I find something. What people that cry hacker fail to understand is that the woods are where people hide shit and most people know it. If your server has two helis, expect the one you found to never be safe. Someone will find the other, then use it solely to find and take yours. 

[openfield 4]

Anyone else have this issue, where you play on a moderately low populated server and spend hours and hours getting a chopper going for your group of people you may play with.  Have one or two glorious nights with it only for it to be mysteriously "found" and stolen?

 

I find it hard to believe twice now within a couple days of getting my chopper going, that it was just "stumbled upon" by some lucky bastard.  No one just happens to be running through a forest in the middle of butt fawk no where that goes even further into butt fawk no where.

 

Can server admins see where the vehicles are on the map?

 

What is the likelyhood it was found via maphack or something of the sorts?

 

Really discouraging.

It is surprisingly easy to find things in the middle of nowhere. I was running southbound from Guglovo, a town rarely visited because most buildings are made of Legos, when I spotted a Mi-17 deep in the forest. It had a DMR, M240, etc. inside and was 100% good. I decided to take it and flew off.

Quite frankly I wouldn't blame anyone from stealing anything of mine. It's exactly what I would do, so why should I care? If I catch them in the act, however, hilarity involving broken legs and dropped weapons would ensue.

[WBK 176]

If you play on a server with clans or groups, they will obviously have the ability to find and maintain all the best gear. And the people who aren't in those groups either fight amongst themselves or make it their mission to annoy the hell out of the clans. I am one such of the latter.

 

I used to constantly find other peoples vehicles etc. (by actively hunting for them) and the server I played on had it's own forums.  The clan I was stealing from kept making posts much like yours asking the admins to sort out the hacking situation.  For whatever reason they seemed to think they were the cleverest payers in the world and they also underestimated the patience other players have when searching for things.  In their mind it HAD to be a hacker finding their stuff because nobody should have apparently been able to find their gear.

 

This. Especially if you play on a monitored private hive there will almost definitely no chance of hacking, so it is wise to remember that those who don't belong to a group on your server often want to bring you guys down a notch. It doesn't take long to find out that most hiding spots are in the north or west boundaries of the map, and the rest are near obscure landmarks in the middle of it. So we take your shit to make your DayZ life just a teensy bit harder. Why on earth does a lone wolf need a helicopter? They don't, but the gear in it will be nice and then they'll take off and crash it so you pricks in clans have to do it all over again. It's the cycle of life, my friend.

[Hetstaine 10852]

Catch any Tuna?

 

 

 Unfortunately only large dead eyed sea bass and trout.