what happen to heroes?

[Horseyspc 21]

lately i was playing with a friend and he had half health i blood bagged him only gave me 100 humanity ,  WTF IS GOING ON? it use to give u way more and even killing bandit sucks because they only give u 20 humanity so it is much more easy to be bandit. 

 

it's like rocket is trying to determinant heroes from dayz and i hardly see heroes any more just bandits :bandit:  and bandits :bandit:  , can't even trust anyone to give u a blood bag anymore! 

 

is rocket going to fix this or not? 

 

[-Se7eN- 874]

nono.

 

you get humanity based on how much blood you give.

 

so if your friend had like 1k blood, you would have got like 275. there not trying to promote banditry, just stopping humanity farming and showing the real hero's from the fake ones.

[RegentOrange 0]

Being a bandit requires a lot less work, the easy way out. Being a hero is harder, hence why not many people are heroes.

[wild_man 4442]

I am fake hero :thumbsup:  :P

 

I get one character with 12000 humanity or something like from my friend :lol:

 

now is like 4000 after I murder too many guys but when is something like 1000 I say my friend 'please play again 1 month this hero bullshit and make me again 10000 humanity' ;)

 

 

is not more easy to be bandit, for me give blood, don't shoot every guy this is easy shit, after hide in woods and make fire to eat some cow :thumbsup:  :) hero life is easy like this

 

bandit is always on hunting mode, every senses are full alert all times, we must look everywhere always, we must risk life for murder time and we don't get credit for this >:(

 

rocket cannot fix this because is simple human thing :rolleyes:

 

guys love pvP, guys love adrenalin feel, guys play game for make fantasy time and I don't know one guy who make fantasy 'OOOH I know, lets play one game where I can give blood to too many guys and try not to kill some guys, yes please this is best fun time ever' :huh:

[-Se7eN- 874]

I am fake hero :thumbsup:  :P

 

really? something about you just screams bandit to me.

[wild_man 4442]

really? something about you just screams bandit to me.

I am 100% bandit but I use hero skin character for maximum murder ;)

 

so I am 'fake hero'

[toxicsludge 406]

guys love pvP, guys love adrenalin feel, guys play game for make fantasy time and I don't know one guy who make fantasy 'OOOH I know, lets play one game where I can give blood to too many guys and try not to kill some guys, yes please this is best fun time ever' :huh:

i love to make fantasy time...

[-Se7eN- 874]

I am 100% bandit but I use hero skin character for maximum murder ;)

 

so I am 'fake hero'

but if you murder how do you get the...

 

never mind. enjoy your logic.

[wild_man 4442]

I am fake hero :thumbsup:  :P

 

I get one character with 12000 humanity or something like from my friend :lol:

 

now is like 4000 after I murder too many guys but when is something like 1000 I say my friend 'please play again 1 month this hero bullshit and make me again 10000 humanity' ;)

 

 

 

 

you need to try read guys post before you make attack :thumbsup:  :rolleyes:

but if you murder how do you get the...

 

 

[-Se7eN- 874]

When its 11am and i havnt slept, reading is not something i do on forums. And i wasnt attacking you, no need to be so defensive <3

[wild_man 4442]

When its 11am and i havnt slept, reading is not something i do on forums. And i wasnt attacking you, no need to be so defensive <3

is one habit for me :|  every time I make some dialogue with tmws guys is normal they make attack, on tmws forums, on reddit, on here :lol:

 

but is in history this shit, so is ok if you are 50% asleep and miss somethings, me too I do this shit sometime ;)   :thumbsup:

[-Se7eN- 874]

Were never trying to attack you as such, im sure you understand why we acted as we did along with RRF.

 

But there is no grudge, i dont bring hate on here. especially when im this tired. ill just look silly.

[wild_man 4442]

on topic ..... fuck I say everythings :thumbsup:  :P  Op ask where is all hero guys??? this is one example for you OP, hero guys sometimes are hero and sometime they are pussy guys.

Edited August 18, 2013 by Inception.

[Inception. 9443]

Please use the personal message function for that kind of discussion.

[What's new in Cherno? 0]

The humanity system is completely borked. If a survivor shoots at you and you managed to successfully defend yourself (i.e. kill them), then that kill is labeled as a 'murder'. Yeah, there are some variables that make it so it's a bandit kill, but I think that is only if they hit you.. which.. yeah. 

 

It's a double edged sword, though. If you make it so it's easier to gain humanity, then you made it easier to be abused. That's how it was before.

 

In all honestly though, you aren't going to find any heroes/survivors regardless of a working humanity system. The reason for that is simply this: people got bored of playing a survival based game with human interactions. Please don't take that as an insult to anyone's playstyle.. it's just that there's no reward/incentive for that playstyle and you're almost always get burned by bandits feigning wounded survivor.

Edited August 18, 2013 by What's new in Cherno?

[Alias Mias 37]

I am fake hero :thumbsup:  :P

 

now is like 4000 after I murder too many guys but when is something like 1000 I say my friend 'please play again 1 month this hero bullshit and make me again 10000

 

guys love pvP, guys love adrenalin feel, guys play game for make fantasy time and I don't know one guy who make fantasy 'OOOH I know, lets play one game where I can give blood to too many guys and try not to kill some guys, yes please this is best fun time ever' :huh:

So basically he cheats the humanity system by getting his friend to play as a hero for a while, then taking that hero and playing him as a bandit. Also, no one has ever said that the entire game needs to be a bunch of people blood bagging each other. This game doesn't need Heroes, but it does need bandits. It would be incredibly boring without them. Some people just prefer to play Hero.

Back on topic. The humanity system is flawed, but without a proper way to detect "self defence" kills there's not much that can be done about it. Maybe something will change in the standalone.

[wild_man 4442]

So basically he cheats the humanity system by getting his friend to play as a hero for a while, then taking that hero and playing him as a bandit. Also, no one has ever said that the entire game needs to be a bunch of people blood bagging each other. This game doesn't need Heroes, but it does need bandits. It would be incredibly boring without them. Some people just prefer to play Hero.

Back on topic. The humanity system is flawed, but without a proper way to detect "self defence" kills there's not much that can be done about it. Maybe something will change in the standalone.

 

is not cheat to play friend account  >:(

 

hack is cheat :thumbsup:

admin abuse is cheat :thumbsup:

dupe shit is cheat :thumbsup:

 

in SA is better system all guys look random :P  is better for bandit guys because there in no way for see I am murderer  :thumbsup: :ph34r:

[Fonebook 126]

I have respect for you KoS, but if playing as the hero is easier, then why do you make your friend do it for you?

 

I play hero in public hives, bandit in private. I can tell you with 100% certainty that trying to have conversations with strangers takes a lot more effort than shooting them. I have found that I can only rely on my IRL friends when playing hero, because the people I meet online always run out of patience and want to murder out of boredom or as revenge for getting killed so much.

 

The bandit's life is the easy life.

[wild_man 4442]

 but if playing as the hero is easier, then why do you make your friend do it for you?

 

I play hero in public hives, bandit in private. I can tell you with 100% certainty that trying to have conversations with strangers takes a lot more effort than shooting them. I have found that I can only rely on my IRL friends when playing hero, because the people I meet online always run out of patience and want to murder out of boredom or as revenge for getting killed so much.

 

The bandit's life is the easy life.

#1 for me is impossible not make pvP, I try make one hero skin but I make 1 bloodbag after I kill 2 guys :(

 

I fail 100% I admit is beyond my ability 100% :blush:  

 

is good way for us :thumbsup:  we swap account, he make my bandit to hero :huh: I make other guy into bandit :ph34r: after we swap and continue, he enjoy challenge for make bandit -6000 humanity in to hero and I enjoy make hero into bandit. is win win :P

 

maybe for this bandit is easy life but for me is too much difficult to say no for pvP opportunity :rolleyes:

[Fonebook 126]

That's why I respect you, you are completely honest.

 

I can understand the desire for the adrenaline rush and the thrill of the kill, especially if you have to stalk the player for great distance. I have respect for bandits who are true to their choice to murder and don't make BS excuses for why they do it. I agree that the current humanity system is somewhat broken.

 

However, given a choice most people take the easy way out. Maybe the humanity system doesn't work as it is. But killing players is it's own reward, bandits do not need any in game rewards beyond the piles of gear available to them from their exploits.

 

For the players who do want to take the hero route, there needs to be some incentive. I think having the cool looking hero skin and slightly faster running speed is a start, but if there are not any tangible rewards most players will never have the patience to live as heroes. I have found having positive interactions with strangers is quite rewarding, crazy things happen. This is enough of a reward for me. If I get shot in the face 9/10 times it is ok because that one time where it goes well is quite fun.

 

But the bottom line is that most players do not have this level of patience, so without some sort of built in reward the majority of players will choose banditry.

[wild_man 4442]

That's why I respect you, you are completely honest. is true ;)

 

I can understand the desire for the adrenaline rush and the thrill of the kill, especially if you have to stalk the player for great distance. I have respect for bandits who are true to their choice to murder and don't make BS excuses for why they do it. I agree that the current humanity system is somewhat broken.

 

However, given a choice most people take the easy way out. Maybe the humanity system doesn't work as it is. But killing players is it's own reward, bandits do not need any in game rewards beyond the piles of gear available to them from their exploits.

 

For the players who do want to take the hero route, there needs to be some incentive. I think having the cool looking hero skin and slightly faster running speed is a start, but if there are not any tangible rewards most players will never have the patience to live as heroes. I have found having positive interactions with strangers is quite rewarding, crazy things happen. This is enough of a reward for me. If I get shot in the face 9/10 times it is ok because that one time where it goes well is quite fun. reward for all player is the game and what happen good or bad, if you are hero is reward for you do some good thing help some guys and kill bandits, no more reward is need, same for bandit guys, reward for good fair kill and nice loot.

 

But the bottom line is that most players do not have this level of patience, so without some sort of built in reward the majority of players will choose banditry. this is true but in SA I think this change, rocket say he try to make coop more important thing and who know, maybe is change some bandit guy or make more cooperate before shoot :)

[GrumpyGat (DayZ) 497]

I think another remedy for this is to give humanity for administering antibiotics.

[ace5762 (DayZ) 20]

So... you're basically using a exploit to be incredibly lazy by not having to anything heroic to get the hero skin? Ok, sure. In a better version of Dayz you wouldn't be able to do that, and you wouldn't be able to dupe items or camp loot spawns either, and I admit to doing those because I can. It's a design problem, and we know Dayz is rampant with those.

 

 

#1 for me is impossible not make pvP, I try make one hero skin but I make 1 bloodbag after I kill 2 guys :(

 

I fail 100% I admit is beyond my ability 100% :blush:  

 

is good way for us :thumbsup:  we swap account, he make my bandit to hero :huh: I make other guy into bandit :ph34r: after we swap and continue, he enjoy challenge for make bandit -6000 humanity in to hero and I enjoy make hero into bandit. is win win :P

 

maybe for this bandit is easy life but for me is too much difficult to say no for pvP opportunity :rolleyes:

[Fonebook 126]

reward for all player is the game and what happen good or bad, if you are hero is reward for you do some good thing help some guys and kill bandits, no more reward is need, same for bandit guys, reward for good fair kill and nice loot.

 

 

 

Approaching a player to say "What's up, how are you doing?" represents a much greater risk than waiting in cover or an advantageous position to shoot the same player. You do have a greater chance to make allies and grow your numbers, but this is the only tangible in game benefit besides the skin and run speed. I wish people weren't so focused on gear, but the reality is that they are. Heroes have to work for gear, bandits just take it. And since the bandits have an easier time taking gear through murder, they are more willing to risk it in firefights.

 

A lot of players are young and their brains are not fully formed and do not have a full comprehension of right and wrong or empathy. Without more tangible benefits for heroes, I cannot blame so many people for becoming bandits. The game as currently structured encourages banditry. I don't think this was intended, but I think it is just the way it is. 

[wild_man 4442]

Approaching a player to say "What's up, how are you doing?" represents a much greater risk than waiting in cover or an advantageous position to shoot the same player. You do have a greater chance to make allies and grow your numbers, but this is the only tangible in game benefit besides the skin and run speed. I wish people weren't so focused on gear, but the reality is that they are. Heroes have to work for gear, bandits just take it. And since the bandits have an easier time taking gear through murder, they are more willing to risk it in firefights.

 

A lot of players are young and their brains are not fully formed and do not have a full comprehension of right and wrong or empathy. Without more tangible benefits for heroes, I cannot blame so many people for becoming bandits. The game as currently structured encourages banditry. I don't think this was intended, but I think it is just the way it is. 

I agree, is not perfect situation and is not possible make all guys play in mature way and also for fun :|

 I agree also hero is more hard than bandit life but bandit life have some problem also  ;)

So... you're basically using a exploit to be incredibly lazy by not having to anything heroic to get the hero skin? Ok, sure. In a better version of Dayz you wouldn't be able to do that, and you wouldn't be able to dupe items or camp loot spawns either, and I admit to doing those because I can. It's a design problem, and we know Dayz is rampant with those.

 

if this is not possible for do this shit I don't do this :thumbsup:  ;)

if this is 'cheat' example like hack or admin abuse I don't do this :thumbsup:  :P  

but this is possible and is not cheat (maybe exploit) and I do this 100% for sure B)

 

if one admin say me 'is illegal for play friend account I stop today :|

 

In SA this shit isn't necessary because no skin system, I am happy for this :)