Game needs a sniper heavier than 7.62

[Clumzy (DayZ) 377]

unpractical

unpractical

unpractical

Impractical, dammit!

[thisisPyro 9]

But this isn't a military game. This is a survival simulator. No-body is going to lug around a .50 or a .338. Its unpractical in this scenario.

 

I don't even think helis really have a place in this game, but that's IMO. Even so, they should be powerful. It shouldn't be "Wow, it's a Huey! Let me grab my 30+lbs gun and take it down". It should be "It's a Huey! Shit, run."

it is not a "survival simulator" it is a end of the world simulator, complete with guys scrounging for beans, guys in pickup trucks, and organized groups that have more in common with a para military group than the survivor looking for beans. Those groups at the top of the food chain have massive military choppers. The guys looking for beans cant do anything but hide and the guys with the pickup truck cant shoot it down. So the only thing that can is other military choppers or 4-5 people shooting at it with high level gear. Its ridicolous. Thats it from a balancing perspective. From a realism perspective, soldiers do it all the time so why not in dayz?

[Statik (DayZ) 2695]

it is not a "survival simulator" it is a end of the world simulator, complete with guys scrounging for beans, guys in pickup trucks, and organized groups that have more in common with a para military group than the survivor looking for beans. Those groups at the top of the food chain have massive military choppers. The guys looking for beans cant do anything but hide and the guys with the pickup truck cant shoot it down. So the only thing that can is other military choppers or 4-5 people shooting at it with high level gear. Its ridicolous. Thats it from a balancing perspective. From a realism perspective, soldiers do it all the time so why not in dayz?

You're not a soldier! .50s and .338s are TOO HEAVY AND HAVE TOO MUCH KICK to be used effectively in a survival simulator. This game isn't suppose to be "Balanced". This isn't Call of Duty, some things are going to have a kickass advantage, that's the way things work.

[thisisPyro 9]

You're not a soldier! .50s and .338s are TOO HEAVY AND HAVE TOO MUCH KICK to be used effectively in a survival simulator. This game isn't suppose to be "Balanced". This isn't Call of Duty, some things are going to have a kickass advantage, that's the way things work.

Where are you getting this elitist mentality? Have you shot a .50cal or a .338 lapua? I have not shot a .50 cal but I have shot a .338 lapua and it is not something that only 1% of the population can do. As for carrying 30+pounds of gear, yea I can cause I hike and so can a lot of people. If you arnt worried about balance then there definitely should be .50 cal snipers in game as every major military has them. 

[Skat3rat 1633]

Where are you getting this elitist mentality? Have you shot a .50cal or a .338 lapua? I have not shot a .50 cal but I have shot a .338 lapua and it is not something that only 1% of the population can do. As for carrying 30+pounds of gear, yea I can cause I hike and so can a lot of people. If you arnt worried about balance then there definitely should be .50 cal snipers in game as every major military has them. 

 

The problem is that the amount of people who would have them in an actual apocalypse would be very, very, very, small.  Like maybe 1 guy in a hundred million people would have it.  It just doesn't seem like something fit for DayZ.

[Statik (DayZ) 2695]

Where are you getting this elitist mentality? Have you shot a .50cal or a .338 lapua? I have not shot a .50 cal but I have shot a .338 lapua and it is not something that only 1% of the population can do. As for carrying 30+pounds of gear, yea I can cause I hike and so can a lot of people. If you arnt worried about balance then there definitely should be .50 cal snipers in game as every major military has them. 

The thing is, no body is going to use a .50. It's not as simple as you're making it sound. It's unnecessary, and impractical. Nobody would use it. But to be honest, I could understand a .338 to an extent. A .50 isn't something that can be easily carried around, and used at will, especially in a post apocalyptic survival scenario. 

 

I've shared my side, you've shared yours, I'm going to stop replying before this turns into a full fledged argument.

[thisisPyro 9]

The problem is that the amount of people who would have them in an actual apocalypse would be very, very, very, small.  Like maybe 1 guy in a hundred million people would have it.  It just doesn't seem like something fit for DayZ.

the same could be said for military choppers

[Fun With Flares 72]

Well is this a balance question or a realism question? In most fps, balance trumps realism but here realism is seen as important. So from realism yea there should be as 50s and m107s. What I am suggesting is a balance. There should be heavier caliber rifles but that doesn't mean choppers become easy mode to take down. You still need to hit the pilot or the rotor so either an extremely skilled shot or they were landing/taking off. Plus because it would be bolt action you couldn't spam fire. 

 

Realism dictates that in a Communist, lo-tech country, there would be no Barrets. Perhaps if there were a military armory in-game, you could find one (ONE) anti-material rifle there. It would, however, not be a modern, American one.

 

the same could be said for military choppers

 

Hueys in-game are a leftover from Vietnam that they probably got for a dime.

Edited August 14, 2013 by Fun With Flares

[thisisPyro 9]

Realism dictates that in a Communist, lo-tech country, there would be no Barrets. Perhaps if there were a military armory in-game, you could find one (ONE) anti-material rifle there. It would, however, not be a modern, American one.

 

 

Hueys in-game are a leftover from Vietnam that they probably got for a dime.

Why not there is already american guns. M4s, Dmrs, m40s, just three examples. 

[dutch_miller 159]

Why not there is already american guns. M4s, Dmrs, m40s, just three examples. 

 

That doesn't disprove his point, it's just more examples that he's correct...

 

 

Nobody in their right mind is going to lug around a .50 in an apocalypse. Anybody stupid enough to do so wouldn't know how to use the damn thing.

[Fun With Flares 72]

Why not there is already american guns. M4s, Dmrs, m40s, just three examples. 

Those are infantry rifles, not anti-material. Thanks for proving me right.

[AP_Norris 1018]

But this isn't a military game. This is a survival simulator. No-body is going to lug around a .50 or a .338. Its unpractical in this scenario.

 

I don't even think helis really have a place in this game, but that's IMO. Even so, they should be powerful. It shouldn't be "Wow, it's a Huey! Let me grab my 30+lbs gun and take it down". It should be "It's a Huey! Shit, run."

Yep, carrying around a 20 pound semi automatic .50 isn't a good idea when your gonna be running from a horde of zombies after every shot.

Having such powerful snipers just encourages PVP when you are a kilometre away and not even planning to loot your target.

Same with DMR and most automatic weapons.

Hopefully just making zombies more difficult changes this.

[dutch_miller 159]

Yep, carrying around a 20 pound semi automatic .50 isn't a good idea when your gonna be running from a horde of zombies after every shot.

Having such powerful snipers just encourages PVP when you are a kilometre away and not even planning to loot your target.

Same with DMR and most automatic weapons.

Hopefully just making zombies more difficult changes this.

 

More like 30 or 40 pounds, and the magazines are a few pounds each themselves. Your point still stands though.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Yep, carrying around a 20 pound semi automatic .50 isn't a good idea when your gonna be running from a horde of zombies after every shot.

Having such powerful snipers just encourages PVP when you are a kilometre away and not even planning to loot your target.

Same with DMR and most automatic weapons.

Hopefully just making zombies more difficult changes this.

It won't.

Anyone in their right mind WOULD take a .50 caliber rifle, so long as they had a place for storage. It's a sufficiently rare weapon even in the US and would be invaluable for trading or bartering. However, there's no creating settlements or trade caravans (Some people I've seen going around and trading guns/food/medicine), it's all mainly people wandering around.

In a sense, it would be like a minigun; absolutely impractical and overkill for every situation, but something of super high value and a general trophy item. They would fetch a very high price post-apocalypse.

[AP_Norris 1018]

More like 30 or 40 pounds, and the magazines are a few pounds each themselves. Your point still stands though.

Really.

I know an M4 is about 8 pounds fully loaded up.

[dutch_miller 159]

It won't.

Anyone in their right mind WOULD take a .50 caliber rifle, so long as they had a place for storage. It's a sufficiently rare weapon even in the US and would be invaluable for trading or bartering. However, there's no creating settlements or trade caravans (Some people I've seen going around and trading guns/food/medicine), it's all mainly people wandering around.

In a sense, it would be like a minigun; absolutely impractical and overkill for every situation, but something of super high value and a general trophy item. They would fetch a very high price post-apocalypse.

 

Bullshit.

[AP_Norris 1018]

It won't.

Anyone in their right mind WOULD take a .50 caliber rifle, so long as they had a place for storage. It's a sufficiently rare weapon even in the US and would be invaluable for trading or bartering. However, there's no creating settlements or trade caravans (Some people I've seen going around and trading guns/food/medicine), it's all mainly people wandering around.

In a sense, it would be like a minigun; absolutely impractical and overkill for every situation, but something of super high value and a general trophy item. They would fetch a very high price post-apocalypse.

Maybe in a collapse of the economy, when your fighting with fear just as often as flames.

In a zombie apocalypse it's a heavy piece of metal you will never have ammo for and will also only ever be useful for shooting car engine blocks.

Edited August 15, 2013 by AP_Norris

[JIJOK 49]

yup, game needs them, but ppl hate snipers and hate them more when is 1 hit 1 kill , maybe soon semi-auto snipers will be removed too   :(

[AP_Norris 1018]

yup, game needs them, but ppl hate snipers and hate them more when is 1 hit 1 kill , maybe soon semi-auto snipers will be removed too   :(

I see no issue with 1HK weapons when all guns can 1HK with headshots.

However, there should be more civilian weaponry and not semi auto snipers like DMR which is just spam gun.

If they are powerful they should encourage hitting the first time and not reward players for spamming.

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

I found this tidbit interesting to read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_Czech_Republic

[Heathcz 84]

If I can manage to shot mi17 down with sa58, then you dont need 50. cal at all

[AP_Norris 1018]

If I can manage to shot mi17 down with sa58, then you dont need 50. cal at all

Nice!

[reuben5150 83]

Anti-material rifles were removed because they have no place in Dayz and there is no reason to bring them back, nothing has changed. 

[rossums 2190]

At a push something like a .338 Lapua or something wouldn't be TOO bad if there were to use the bolt-action variant and took a few seconds to actually ready the weapon again.

A semi-automatic one-hit-kill sniper has no real place and definitely imbalances the game far too much for it to be widely available, .50cal weapons like this are NOT widely used and are certainly impractical for carrying around on your back, especially with an enormous backpack.

[thisisPyro 9]

That doesn't disprove his point, it's just more examples that he's correct...

 

 

Nobody in their right mind is going to lug around a .50 in an apocalypse. Anybody stupid enough to do so wouldn't know how to use the damn thing.

Its not like you can only have one gun in dayz. I have a tent full of gear and a pickup truck for more gear. As for the american guns cant be in cause its in Russia. That hasn't stopped the game from having the m24 or the m4s so it is silly to that only Russian weapons should be added when that does not seem to matter to the devs.