1.7.6 Cans and Drinks

[amit 33]

Lol so you would rather have the mod splattered with credits and "commercials" for the creators, then some food and water with funny names.....

right........

Just look at Origins, does that look nice? no lol

You're pretty closed minded and you completely ignored what I said. I said that the names of the contributors should be added to the splash screen. The team that did Invasion 44 did an excellent job of this:

It's just the names of the people at the bottom of the splash screen. You only ever see the splash screen once: when loading a server. In-game, the credits are "splashed" as the item names. So, really, the more noticeable of the two is the names you'll constantly encounter while playing the game as a reminder.

What? Reddit members and players don't make the game. "community project" implies a community of developers and testers, not casual players who spend more time watching youtube vidoes and endlessly debating really F'ing pointless shit to do with the game instead of MAKING IT...

Careful now. You just demonstrated that you don't understand the meaning of community and generalized the DayZ playerbase in the same sentence.

Well since you know all the rules about making mods and maps, you should totally never come back on here or post about dayz and make your own mod. It can be as realistic as you want it to be and you don't have to deal with the pesky changes that the people WHO ACTUALLY WORK on the game make...

Once again, your utter lack of understanding of how a community project works is shown. The developers make changes that they think are nice and will benefit the community. They release these changes to the community to get feedback and gauge the response. They get a response and make a decision accordingly (either leave it alone or adjust it to suit player feedback). That's exactly what happened here. DayZ relies heavily on its playerbase to shape it because it's a game that needs to be improved continuously, month by month. If two-way interaction is not allowed between the developers and the playerbase, then what is the difference between this game and the traditional private developers that most games are designed by? A large part of DayZ's success is due to the communication between the players and the developers.

Ok im going to drop my role as a forum mod for a moment and speak as a dayz player. As a player I honestly do not care less if this happens or doesn't happen. While on the one hand it would be an unmeasurable honour to have something named after me in my favourite game, on the other hand it will make absolutely no difference to my "immersion" or playstyle whatsoever, and if i gotta eat a can of Derpy to survive, then so be it! I don't want to seem like im taking the obvious side on this, so i will support whatever the community decides in the possible upcoming poll on this matter.

This is a valid point. To most of us, it doesn't affect us nor do we care what the items are named. However, we cannot be so inconsiderate as to think that it may not affect other players. I've often seen the following point brought up about "immersion breaking":

What about all the other random stuff that happens in the game to break immersion? (bugs/zombies/etc.)

Well, shit. That's a good point. Well, the thing is that those are things that are within the game's world and we learn to look past them and "get used" to them. Despite all that, people do learn to continue to be immersed in the game after all that. I mean, isn't that why a large part of the playerbase likes DayZ? There's just something about opening your inventory to get a drink and seeing that the soda that you clicked on is named "mZLY yZLY." I may not play for immersion, but I don't have to be one of those people to know that would never be used as a drink name, even in Europe and Asia. I like some of the other names since they do give some character, but they should be shortened. For example, Powell's New England Clam Chowder is pretty long. Maybe shorten it to just Powell Clam Chowder so it looks more like an actual brand.

Edited February 26, 2013 by A9821

[unkillable94 149]

You're pretty closed minded and you completely ignored what I said. I said that the names of the contributors should be added to the splash screen. The team that did Invasion 44 did an excellent job of this:

It's just the names of the people at the bottom of the splash screen. You only ever see the splash screen once: when loading a server. In-game, the credits are "splashed" as the item names. So, really, the more noticeable of the two is the names you'll constantly encounter while playing the game as a reminder.

Careful now. You just demonstrated that you don't understand the meaning of community and generalized the DayZ playerbase in the same sentence.

Once again, you demonstrate your utter lack of understanding of how a community project works. The developers make changes that they think are nice and will benefit the community. They release these changes to the community to get feedback and gauge the response. They get a response and make a decision accordingly (either leave it alone or adjust it to suit player feedback). That's exactly what happened here. DayZ relies heavily on its playerbase to shape it because it's a game that needs to be improved continuously, month by month. If two-way interaction is not allowed between the developers and the playerbase, then what is the difference between this game and the traditional private developers that most games are designed by? A large part of DayZ's success is due to the communication between the players and the developers.

This, Rocket is amazing about reaching out to the community and will hopefully be the same way with the SA.

The entire purpose of topics like this is to gague opinion, and if you block out the negative opinions like what happened from pages 2-6 here, the game will go nowhere. Keep that in mind the next time you have a grudge against Reddit or another DayZ community and want to blame any negative reaction to a patch on them.

[TimTimNL 2]

Hello I'd like to voice my concern an opinion about the latest patch.

First let's get the big bug bear out of the way since it got every bodies knickers in a twist "The new food and drinks'

I see why they did and why they would they have worked on the game for a good while put countless hours of free time and effort into it and asking nothing.

And honestly i don't mind it but the way it was done caused this massive uproar. If this was done right introducing a new drink and food slowly, Slightly "hinting" at the person in question and not just having them flat out named after their handle i don't believe anybody would have spoken out like they did now. Or there are other alternatives that could have been used. (Memorial stone in Cherno or on top of Green mountain) Something that wouldn't have pushed this straight into the users faces. All in all both sides have a point and i hope there is a solution to calm everybody back down and not argue about the names of foods and drinks.

Now for what concerns me the addition of Razors and Toilet Paper. They don't have a use (yet), And thus should NOT be included into the game they take up places in the loot table and so arbitrarily making proper loot harder to find. I don't know if this is a conscious game play decision making industrial loot harder to find but IMO it was already pretty hard to come by on vanilla servers. Then the other issues with them. THEY SPAWN AT AN INSANE RATE. As in 1 factory building contained 22 of the bloody things that is just absurd and its another reason i don't want something without a use in the game. All in all take it out till it has a function.

And the last issue i have is the new no combat roll in buildings. I have no idea why this decision was made, But i assume some exploit that people found if this is the case they shouldn't have done anything there are already tons and tons of exploit with the movement system in arma2 engine and i strongly believe its the server admins responsibility to enforce no glitching and exploits. The reason for this being on multitude of private hive servers there are areas where rooftop to rooftop scaling of factories and other buildings is possible and this creates a whole other depth to the movement system and escaping pursuers.

All i would like to see here is a option to turn it on off by the server admin since this new "improvement" is already implemented.

I hope i have succeeded in delivering an explanation why people don't like the changes and to show what concerns me.

See you all in my scope!

[Cheese Grinder 91]

I second this, thank god they were removed, no hate on mods or anything, but it was over the line with the names imho

[Cheese Grinder 91]

Being a MLP hater (or rather the mindless fandom it spawned) seeing depry hooves as a name for one of the food items made me cringe a little.

[A Lumberjack 32]

Well lets put it this way.. you'd eat Herpy Derpy's Canned Muffins if you were starving to death. How's that for 'immersion'?

Now are we done repeating ourselves?

[unkillable94 149]

Being a MLP hater (or rather the mindless fandom it spawned) seeing depry hooves as a name for one of the food items made me cringe a little.

That was one of my first thoughts, I'm not a fan of bronies but I have nothing against them, and I have no problems with derpy, but it just seems so out of place.

[jackwhitter 22]

A little recognition to some of the guys/gals who give up their time for little to no thanks is a great thing! reskinning/renaming some cans is not game breaking or game changing, so there should be no issues. some names are silly, but who comes up with some of the names commercially? lucky charms for breakfast? twinkies? vegemite? spam?

as for immersion, who is to say that these are not homemade cans produced after the zombies come to town?

[Cheese Grinder 91]

Well lets put it this way.. you'd eat Herpy Derpy's Canned Muffins if you were starving to death. How's that for 'immersion'?

Now are we done repeating ourselves?

It does take away from immersion for a simple fact that the food product's name is retarded, nobody inrl would name it something like that

[dukstuf 24]

People can freely choose to not pick up cans they don't want, right?

People can hunt in the woods, yes?

What the hell is the fuss? I think the new patch is fine- full of excellent fixes, and the food is just a fun bonus.

I especially appreciate the amazing way I encounter Zeds in the wilds now...keeps you on your toes.

This might be the best addition to the game, ever. Zombies no longer see me crawling a kilometer away, but there seems to me more of the buggers. Excellent work.

[Cheese Grinder 91]

A little recognition to some of the guys/gals who give up their time for little to no thanks is a great thing! reskinning/renaming some cans is not game breaking or game changing, so there should be no issues. some names are silly, but who comes up with some of the names commercially? lucky charms for breakfast? twinkies? vegemite? spam?

as for immersion, who is to say that these are not homemade cans produced after the zombies come to town?

Umm, you need a whole factory to produce a can per se.

[A Lumberjack 32]

It does take away from immersion for a simple fact that the food product's name is retarded, nobody inrl would name it something like that

Sorry I don't see your point.

[Derpy_Hooves (DayZ) 4521]

It does take away from immersion for a simple fact that the food product's name is retarded, nobody inrl would name it something like that

News flash, this isn't real life......

[Death_Dealer 3155]

Of all the things you could have complained of in the new patch, you chose canned goods?

Very disappointed, the mods spend all this time trying to please everyone and you have to complain about the names they give to food items.

("You" as in the people who do no favor the new food changes)

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

The best arguments against the new tins I've seen so far are that they're too westernised and too common. As for the names being "silly" that just doesn't stack up for me. Almost every brand name I can think of is silly.

Anyone fancy a Pop Tart?

[sirinon 80]

Lovely to see that any Pro-cans posts on Reddit are downvoted into Oblivion... such a shitty community on /r/dayz

[Mos1ey 6301]

The best arguments against the new tins I've seen so far are that they're too westernised and too common. As for the names being "silly" that just doesn't stack up for me. Almost every brand name I can think of is silly.

Anyone fancy a Pop Tart?

^^

I thought the tins were a nice touch, but whatever, if people didn't like it, they didn't like it. It's more important that the majority are happy with the game.

Edited February 26, 2013 by mZLY

[A Lumberjack 32]

I'm still waiting for the gas powered portable canning machine and label maker addition to the mod. That way survivors can make their own non-parishable goods to trade or store for later in our Hiluxcopters

[Cheese Grinder 91]

You guys are cherry picking products that have silly names so that your beloved derpy hooves cans could be implemented you guys are no better then those who downvote into oblivion the pro-cans on reddit.

Bottomline: everyone is an asshole and wants his side to be the true one while closing ears to any arguments

[Zionist Wabbit 154]

We can narrow down the 'hatred' (..For lack of a better word) for these to the simple fact that this is, currently, in Development to become a multi-million dollar business - 1.6 Million Players, each paying $20-30 for the DayZ Stand Alone = A lot of dimes to roll around in while screaming 'I want another Lamborghini'.

In the past year the Mod has changed significantly. It's moved past the stages of 'This is just so I can have fun & fuck around in' to a Mod, soon-to-be Game, that has people on the edge of their seat, waiting for new Information. This in mind, would you see these additions as a good idea? I really do find the Moderators to be quite admirable toward's the amount of dedication they put it; But.. It does seem very unprofessional (..I know that word is commonly ill-used, just go with it.) to have an entirely fictional item added into the Game solely for them. Heck, a few of them even seem to be more troll then anything else (..*Cough* Derpy *Cough*),

[A Lumberjack 32]

You guys are cherry picking products that have silly names so that your beloved derpy hooves cans could be implemented you guys are no better then those who downvote into oblivion the pro-cans on reddit.

Bottomline: everyone is an asshole and wants his side to be the true one while closing ears to any arguments

The difference on this forum is that we cannot downvote/hide posts that we do not agree with. This forum is a bastion of free speech compared to reddit in the way users conduct themselves.

[dulix11 731]

This is basically what I'm seeing as an 'argument' from people who don't wont these food cans in the game: "I won't look really cool if I'm shooting someone and they have 'FraggleO's in their backpack"

WHO CARES ABOUT THE NAMES! Its like if I reject getting a worksheet because it says 'Math Revision' instead of 'Math Test' or if I'm at McDonalds 'Naah I don't want to call that cheeseburger a cheeseburger...'

Why are people so tight-assed about this realism thing? It ruins 'immersion'? So a computer game can't have its share of humourous, head nods to the moderators? What does it matter? Its not like you have to pick it up either. You are only going to turn it into a empty, nameless, crumpled can anyway. I honestly can't believe we are arguing over some fucking food cans. Good day to you people.

[svenbreakfast 231]

I don't get it either. I know it wasn't intended, but I'd much rather have the names of the people who helped this project take wing get winks than advertising for shitty corporations. I don't buy much canned food, and I don't generally drink soda. Yet I'll be damned if I haven't seen those red cans and thought to myself, "damn a coke sounds pretty good right now". If it had been a marketing strat pulled off by one of these companies it would have been 2012's most brilliant advertising coup. Luckily, advertising execs are subhumans who are barely conscious enough to remember their toothbrush isn't for cleaning their asses, so no way was this inadvertent commercialism was intended.

I envy anybody who lives in a world tranquil enough for the change to cause ripples. If it breaks your immersion carry water and hunt. It's better for you anyway.

Edited February 26, 2013 by Blomquist23

[Private Evans 1303]

The best arguments against the new tins I've seen so far are that they're too westernised and too common. As for the names being "silly" that just doesn't stack up for me. Almost every brand name I can think of is silly.

Anyone fancy a Pop Tart?

this is why I suggested to make them more russian style and add the funny translations as easter eggs ...nobody would have complained if the brands would have been written in Cyrillic with the english translation wriiten below it...

Edit...most of the people would love it if it was made by Rocket...just saying...

Edited February 26, 2013 by Private Evans

[Cheese Grinder 91]

We can narrow down the 'hatred' (..For lack of a better word) for these to the simple fact that this is, currently, in Development to become a multi-million dollar business - 1.6 Million Players, each paying $20-30 for the DayZ Stand Alone = A lot of dimes to roll around in while screaming 'I want another Lamborghini'.

In the past year the Mod has changed significantly. It's moved past the stages of 'This is just so I can have fun & fuck around in' to a Mod, soon-to-be Game, that has people on the edge of their seat, waiting for new Information. This in mind, would you see these additions as a good idea? I really do find the Moderators to be quite admirable toward's the amount of dedication they put it; But.. It does seem very unprofessional (..I know that word is commonly ill-used, just go with it.) to have an entirely fictional item added into the Game solely for them. Heck, a few of them even seem to be more troll then anything else (..*Cough* Derpy *Cough*),

Lenin why did you die? D: