If the bandit skins are still in the standalone I'm going to be pissed.

[electroban 102]

Well, no. I think I made my point clear, that the reason you get a skin is because there's literally nothing else to go by. There's no physical marks someone would have gotten from a conflict, there's no mental deterioration, and there's no trail of evidence to follow. So to make up for it, you get a skin. Otherwise there'd be literally no reason NOT to kill someone in this game, and that encourages complete PvP behavior which isn't what the mod is going for.

Also, it's hard to take your point seriously when you make a post claiming you'd shoot someone to eat their legs, "brah".

What do you mean to make up for it? There shouldn't be a punishment for killing someone in a setting like that. Why should there be? I don't generally KOS but I do when I'm low on a lot of supplies on Namalsk.

And to be honest pal, cannibalising a human corpse in the DayZ game is more realistic than getting a skin suddenly put onto you randomly.

I mean if it's starve to death or eat someones leg, then why not. I get that maybe its you having a problem getting around the idea its the zombie apocolypse.

[electroban 102]

Oh, so if it makes the game easier then it's okay? What happened to immersion 'breh'?

I didn't actually say anything about it being a good idea did I. L2Read.

If they rewarded everyone a ghillie suit for KOSing u may as well call the world were on the planet kasheek or whatever chewies homeworld is

[Rage VG 4033]

If you killed someone with a knife and I found someone with stab wounds, I would of course blame the guy with the knife. But since I can't see the stab wounds, there's no way to make a connection between how they died.

There's also the fact that if you stabbed a guy in a shed, you would have blood on you, with no visible wounds. There would be no way for us to see this in game.

If you were the type of person to do this then you would have the playstyle of a bandit and thus the skin would be appropriate, as a bandit in an apocalypse would cover themselves as they couldn't be identified as easily. Shooting someone for "Looking at you funny" is not self-defense, that's malicious intent. When they add other ways to determine who's a killer, then they should remove the instant bandit skin.

And irrelevant as to realism or not, making a post claiming you would eat another person's legs makes you come across as a troll.

[OrLoK 16185]

Hello there

I'm in the "consequence" camp. I'm just unsure of the best way to approach it.

In real life many "dodgey" folk I have encountered, whilst some have been occasionally pleasant have always *felt* and often acted *dodgey*

Not a great yardstick, 100per cent certain, I know, but I think if one is an out and out serial murderer then there should be a way to pick up on this fact, be it skins or something else.

It'll be interesting to see what they come up with in the SA, but if it's simply skin changes then, hey, I'm fine with that too.

Rgds

LoK

[electroban 102]

If you killed someone with a knife and I found someone with stab wounds, I would of course blame the guy with the knife. But since I can't see the stab wounds, there's no way to make a connection between how they died.

There's also the fact that if you stabbed a guy in a shed, you would have blood on you, with no visible wounds. There would be no way for us to see this in game.

If you were the type of person to do this then you would have the playstyle of a bandit and thus the skin would be appropriate, as a bandit in an apocalypse would cover themselves as they couldn't be identified as easily. Shooting someone for "Looking at you funny" is not self-defense, that's malicious intent. When they add other ways to determine who's a killer, then they should remove the instant bandit skin.

And irrelevant as to realism or not, making a post claiming you would eat another person's legs makes you come across as a troll.

No it doesn't there's loads of fiction around Apocolypses Zombies or not that go into the idea of cannibalism to survive. Didn't you ever see that plane movie where they got stuck up some mountain and had to eat each other to survive? what about the movie / book The Road, in which big gangs were just roaming everywhere to find humans to eat. Don't underestimate the instinct to survive.

I would eat you if I had to. If it was eat your corpse, and survive, or just die, then i'd eat your corpse.

Edited November 13, 2012 by electroban

[Rage VG 4033]

No it doesn't there's loads of fiction around Apocolypses Zombies or not that go into the idea of cannibalism to survive. Didn't you ever see that plane movie where they got stuck up some mountain and had to eat each other to survive? what about the movie / book The Road, in which big gangs were just roaming everywhere to find humans to eat. Don't underestimate the instinct to survive.

Yeah, that's all nice and good, but do you see DayZ anywhere in that list? No? Then logically, claiming to do such in a thread about a game in which you can't do it, shows that you are not being serious, and how am I meant to take you serious when you're not being serious?

[sausagekingofchicago 4711]

cos that would be a reward as opposed to being forced to look like a jihadist.

I don't think you understand what a jihadist is.

Anyway, how about a beret then? Would that be better? How about a bandanna? Why do I get the feeling it's the "jihadist" look that upsets you the most?

Anyway, this topic has been beaten to death.

[electroban 102]

Yeah, that's all nice and good, but do you see DayZ anywhere in that list? No? Then logically, claiming to do such in a thread about a game in which you can't do it, shows that you are not being serious, and how am I meant to take you serious when you're not being serious?

Only unable to do it untill you can do it. Rocket probably wouldn't allow cannibalism cos he doesn't have the balls to implement it. I can't imagine it'd be that hard to implement either. I'm just using an example in terms of realism in game, that eating a corpse is more realistic than randomly getting clothes put on you against your will.

[electroban 102]

I don't think you understand what a jihadist is.

Anyway, how about a beret then? Would that be better? How about a bandanna? Why do I get the feeling it's the "jihadist" look that upsets you the most?

Anyway, this topic has been beaten to death.

No troll, the thing that upsets me the most is not having the option and it being forced on me, obviously if you had been fukt to read the thread you would of gleemed that before you put your "input" into it.

[Jamz 253]

I see a lot of people claiming things about a 'real life zombie apocalypse' and how Dayz doesn't exactly simulate it and that is a key point. Dayz can't simulate the stress and conditions that would drive someone to murder in real life, let alone canibalism, any more than it can simulate the depression and despair of being potentially one of the last people left alive in the world. This has the effect of 'cheapening' lives in game as there is no emotionally driven behavior.

If you thought you were alone in a world of zombies, no family/friends, would you really be so quick to kill the first other human you saw? Or any other human? The game can't simulate these conditions because its not a real situation so it has to add some things to artificially encourage/discourage certain behaviors. The bandit skin is one of these things.

[sausagekingofchicago 4711]

No troll, the thing that upsets me the most is not having the option and it being forced on me, obviously if you had been fukt to read the thread you would of gleemed that before you put your "input" into it.

Okay, does your mommy know you're on the internet "broo"?

[Rage VG 4033]

Only unable to do it untill you can do it. Rocket probably wouldn't allow cannibalism cos he doesn't have the balls to implement it. I can't imagine it'd be that hard to implement either. I'm just using an example in terms of realism in game, that eating a corpse is more realistic than randomly getting clothes put on you against your will.

...I don't think you get it. Allow me to explain this in short sentences with words as simple as I can think of. Okay? Okay.

You make a thread about Bandit skins in DayZ. This is okay.

You say you WILL eat another man's legs. This is not okay.

If we go with the idea you are not just very, very stupid (Which I am hoping), then you are clearly joking. It does not matter if you should be able to, it has nothing to do with your first post at all. When you reply to someone with that, you do not come across as serious.

Are we on the same page now? Yes? Good.

Now, and I'll need you to work with me here, how do you expect I, or anyone, to put time into a thought out response to you, if it looks like you're just trying to waste our time?

Edited November 13, 2012 by Rage VG

[SgtDouglas 87]

If I kill a random man irl, I'm not going to start wearing different clothes. If I help someone out irl, I'm not going to change my wardrobe. I am fine with the hero skin, but you should be able to just choose a different skin from spawn and stick with it until death.

Maybe not all the military skins currently in arma 2 and OA, but costum skins to choose from. Maaaaybe there are a few other acceptable skins in arma already, but watevs.

Also, you guise need to chill

[electroban 102]

I see a lot of people claiming things about a 'real life zombie apocalypse' and how Dayz doesn't exactly simulate it and that is a key point. Dayz can't simulate the stress and conditions that would drive someone to murder in real life, let alone canibalism, any more than it can simulate the depression and despair of being potentially one of the last people left alive in the world. This has the effect of 'cheapening' lives in game as there is no emotionally driven behavior.

If you thought you were alone in a world of zombies, no family/friends, would you really be so quick to kill the first other human you saw? Or any other human? The game can't simulate these conditions because its not a real situation so it has to add some things to artificially encourage/discourage certain behaviors. The bandit skin is one of these things.

No I personally wouldn't instinctively shoot the first person I saw, but it depends how I want to play it. I should have the freedom to be nice or be a marauding killer, if I so choose without having some trashy skin put on my body randomly. I think there's better ways to discourage certain behaviours that's for sure, but don't wrap a towel round my head?

[electroban 102]

...I don't think you get it. Allow me to explain this in short sentences with words as simple as I can think of. Okay? Okay.

You make a thread about Bandit skins in DayZ. This is okay.

You say you WILL eat another man's legs. This is not okay.

If we go with the idea you are not just very, very stupid (Which I am hoping), then you are clearly joking. It does not matter if you should be able to, it has nothing to do with your first post at all. When you reply to someone with that, you do not come across as serious.

Are we on the same page now? Yes? Good.

Now, and I'll need you to work with me here, how do you expect I, or anyone, to put time into a thought out response to you, if it looks like you're just trying to waste our time?

Oh my god bro it's like you have a learning disability or something, I was trying to say I would eat a mans legs within the context of a zombie apocolypse, are you what threatened or something? Let me be clear im not going to find you and eat your legs OK?

Let me be clear were in a Zombie Apocolypse game general discussion, with themes like, survival banditry, and murder being discussed, and within that SUBJECT CONTEXT, i bought up eating a mans legs to survive. Ok? Yes i am being serious, if i was starving and i saw you, i would eat your corpse in a situation such as a zombie apoclolypse. Ok?

Edited November 13, 2012 by electroban

[bottar1 18]

No, keep the bandit skins, all the trolls and people who shit on others fun need to be shown.

If there was no bandit skins everyone would have to adopt the mentality of ''AVOID EVERYONE'' or KILL EVERYONE, there would be no friendlies or it would be 20 times worse than now, and you would be making the game less fun as the social interaction would be even less than now.

I don't care if its ''not realistic'' this is a game, and there is a certain point where they have to think about the fun of the game, and the enjoyment.

Nobody likes to play a game where they get shit on 24/7. You think that if league of legends made a character for loads of real life money that stomped everyone, people would enjoy that, nah, you have to think of fun and bandits ruin alot of it, atleast the trollish ones who just kos bambis at the coast and don't even need their loot.

There HAS TO BE CONSEQUENCES FOR BS.

I see a lot of people claiming things about a 'real life zombie apocalypse' and how Dayz doesn't exactly simulate it and that is a key point. Dayz can't simulate the stress and conditions that would drive someone to murder in real life, let alone canibalism, any more than it can simulate the depression and despair of being potentially one of the last people left alive in the world. This has the effect of 'cheapening' lives in game as there is no emotionally driven behavior.

If you thought you were alone in a world of zombies, no family/friends, would you really be so quick to kill the first other human you saw? Or any other human? The game can't simulate these conditions because its not a real situation so it has to add some things to artificially encourage/discourage certain behaviors. The bandit skin is one of these things.

This sums up almost everything you need to know & consider. Stop raging because your an angry bandit that thinks hes superman and can kill everyone but now get's KoS'd and rages on forums when he loses good gear.

Edited November 13, 2012 by bottar1

[jaytmuk (DayZ) 621]

You seem to be purposefully ignoring the point I'm making in favour of going off in non-specific tangents which is a clear sign you got fuck all left to say.

After seeing your Title post i came here to disagree with you... But after reading your post i must say i agree with you, Bandit skins are stupid and completely against what the game is meant to be about.

Blood on hands and body from looting dead players bodies and maybe even making guns alot louder so aggro zombies from further would be better options than Bandit skins.

Bandit skins seems like Rockets last minute fix cos he cant think what else to do to stop the game turning into a pvp shooter.

[Rage VG 4033]

Oh my god bro it's like you have a learning disability or something, I was trying to say I would eat a mans legs within the context of a zombie apocolypse, are you what threatened or something? Let me be clear im not going to find you and eat your legs OK?

Let me be clear were in a Zombie Apocolypse game general discussion, with themes like, survival banditry, and murder being discussed, and within that SUBJECT CONTEXT, i bought up eating a mans legs to survive. Ok? Yes i am being serious, if i was starving and i saw you, i would eat your corpse in a situation such as a zombie apoclolypse. Ok?

Well that's a relief(!) I thought you were serious about trying to eat my legs, even though I had spent all of this time telling you that regardless of what you mean by it, you're not taking your own subject seriously.

Sarcasm aside, Case in point:

Unless your wearing a chick skin in which case ill tie you to a tree and procreate with you.

Now, as I have been trying to tell you this entire time and you refuse to understand, when you say things like that, you come across as someone who isn't legitimately concerned about what he make the topic for, and thus you are not going to get ideal responses. Getting angry when this happens is silly

Now that you have resorting to personal insults for no reason, I can see trying to explain something to you that you don't immediately understand is a lost cause and you have probably eaten all notion of common sense along with the legs of your colleagues.

Edited November 13, 2012 by Rage VG

[Jamz 253]

No I personally wouldn't instinctively shoot the first person I saw, but it depends how I want to play it. I should have the freedom to be nice or be a marauding killer, if I so choose without having some trashy skin put on my body randomly. I think there's better ways to discourage certain behaviours that's for sure, but don't wrap a towel round my head?

Well in that case you're agknowledging the fact that it is just a game and you can play it how you want to. But as everyones sprite looks the same, moves the same, its impossible to read someones intentions. If I tracked you for 10 minutes to try and work out if you were hostile, I'd probably just see you crouch running and scavenging like everyone does. In real life there would be things that gave you away behaviorally as a hostile or not but as its not real life something artificial must be added. If its just the headwrap you don't like well thats fair enough, what would you suggest to replace it? Don't forget that it will go over time if you don't shoot any more non bandits and you can also disguise it with a skin so its not permanent.

[electroban 102]

No, keep the bandit skins, all the trolls and people who shit on others fun need to be shown.

If there was no bandit skins everyone would have to adopt the mentality of ''AVOID EVERYONE'' or KILL EVERYONE, there would be no friendlies or it would be 20 times worse than now, and you would be making the game less fun as the social interaction would be even less than now.

I don't care if its ''not realistic'' this is a game, and there is a certain point where they have to think about the fun of the game, and the enjoyment.

Nobody likes to play a game where they get shit on 24/7. You think that if league of legends made a character for loads of real life money that stomped everyone, people would enjoy that, nah, you have to think of fun and bandits ruin alot of it, atleast the trollish ones who just kos bambis at the coast and don't even need their loot.

There HAS TO BE CONSEQUENCES FOR BS.

This sums up almost everything you need to know & consider. Stop raging because your an angry bandit that thinks hes superman and can kill everyone but now get's KoS'd and rages on forums when he loses good gear.

As to what you say here on killing Bambi's at the coast, I made a previous thread on this forums about changing the player spawns so not everyone starts on the coast reducing the Cherno/Elektro deathmatch meta. And there are ways to not avoid everyone etc, you can shout out in direct chat to ascertain if a player is friendly or not.

[electroban 102]

Well in that case you're agknowledging the fact that it is just a game and you can play it how you want to. But as everyones sprite looks the same, moves the same, its impossible to read someones intentions. If I tracked you for 10 minutes to try and work out if you were hostile, I'd probably just see you crouch running and scavenging like everyone does. In real life there would be things that gave you away behaviorally as a hostile or not but as its not real life something artificial must be added. If its just the headwrap you don't like well thats fair enough, what would you suggest to replace it? Don't forget that it will go over time if you don't shoot any more non bandits and you can also disguise it with a skin so its not permanent.

Things that would give me away in the game are there too, like me shooting someone in the face whilst u watched me from afar. What I don't want is an invisible morality system that dresses me whenever I do something bad? Whats the point. What's the next step in this method? If i sit around a super market and eat all the beans for days on end, the system will give me a fatty character?

[maxnmike 134]

Things that would give me away in the game are there too, like me shooting someone in the face whilst u watched me from afar. What I don't want is an invisible morality system that dresses me whenever I do something bad? Whats the point. What's the next step in this method? If i sit around a super market and eat all the beans for days on end, the system will give me a fatty character?

So you would be ok with that person that saw you kill from afar being able to put a tag on you saying you were a bandit for everyone else to see?

[electroban 102]

Well that's a relief(!) I thought you were serious about trying to eat my legs, even though I had spent all of this time telling you that regardless of what you mean by it, you're not taking your own subject seriously.

Sarcasm aside, Case in point:

Now, as I have been trying to tell you this entire time and you refuse to understand, when you say things like that, you come across as someone who isn't legitimately concerned about what he make the topic for, and thus you are not going to get ideal responses. Getting angry when this happens is silly

Now that you have resorting to personal insults for no reason, I can see trying to explain something to you that you don't immediately understand is a lost cause and you have probably eaten all notion of common sense along with the legs of your colleagues.

"Legitimatley concerned for what he make the topic for" Can see I'm chatting with some real smart characters here. I made this topic to get across my opinion on how forcing a morality system on a simulation of a zombie apocalypse is stupid and immersion breaking, which people obviously agree with. Yeah I used some comedic statements, to illustrate how truly lawless and brutal a zombie apocalypse should be. I'm sorry if ideas of Cannibalism and a bit of raping might scare some of the less educated dim witted posters. But it's all themes that would hold true to the realism of an actual apocalypse. Unlike having your clothes taken off you randomly and being redressed by some invisible force if you do something "wrong"

Thats the point man, there is no Wrong or Right anymore, its a zombie apocolypse!!! It's why other players are referred to as Survivor not "your new best friend"

[Jamz 253]

Things that would give me away in the game are there too, like me shooting someone in the face whilst u watched me from afar. What I don't want is an invisible morality system that dresses me whenever I do something bad? Whats the point. What's the next step in this method? If i sit around a super market and eat all the beans for days on end, the system will give me a fatty character?

Maybe, I hear the stand alone will make you have to go to the toilet, I don't know what will happen if you don't maybe you just die? I'm not a fan of the bandit skin myself anyway, I think it looks stupid, but I think there needs to be something to highlight peoples possible intentions within the game or there will be no random encounters other than KOS. Its unfortunate that the only things we can tell about the player we are looking at is from what they look like but its just a game so there is really no other way.

Edited November 13, 2012 by Jamz

[electroban 102]

So you would be ok with that person that saw you kill from afar being able to put a tag on you saying you were a bandit for everyone else to see?

Not a tag no, when would that ever really happen? I mean you can tell the friends that you meet with or the people your with that you saw a killing but that's all you can do.