If the bandit skins are still in the standalone I'm going to be pissed.

[Dreygar (DayZ) 178]

If you killed someone with a knife and I found someone with stab wounds, I would of course blame the guy with the knife. But since I can't see the stab wounds, there's no way to make a connection between how they died.

There's also the fact that if you stabbed a guy in a shed, you would have blood on you, with no visible wounds. There would be no way for us to see this in game.

If you were the type of person to do this then you would have the playstyle of a bandit and thus the skin would be appropriate, as a bandit in an apocalypse would cover themselves as they couldn't be identified as easily. Shooting someone for "Looking at you funny" is not self-defense, that's malicious intent. When they add other ways to determine who's a killer, then they should remove the instant bandit skin.

And irrelevant as to realism or not, making a post claiming you would eat another person's legs makes you come across as a troll.

Seriously? I think this is just you needing to have some type of visual indicator that a person is bad.

To go along with your scenario, who is to say the bandit doesn't wash away the blood?

More importantly, having skins defeats another purpose... Allowing characters to customize their look with items they find throughout the world, for their advantages or personal choice.

Lastly, bandit/hero skins are just to test out the humanity feature which the devs haven't decided on. Though I do agree with the Op, there should be no indicators that a person is bad.. and this subject has been beaten to death. Any interaction with a player should be had in game, no visual cues. So stay cautious and whether they shoot you in the face or you shoot them... so be it.

[Grey Warden 90]

Everyone look at me! I'm the one who wants a game that not only provides a nice survival experience but also your tension of other players and bandits. What i do not want is not being able to make friends ingame and team up as this to me is where the fun is. Yes theres friends IRL who play the game and teamspeak with clans etc outside but they never have the same feeling as teaming up with a complete unknown. I don't want KOS that shit is for COD and BF and Halo not DayZ. I want tension but i also want community and be able to intereact with people more than just 'shoot 'em'.

Edit: what about blood splatters on players who murdered recently? Flies follow them after a while but a change of clothes (found in houses at random and common like flares) would get rid of that straight away? (hiding it). But you have to burn the old clothes or something.

Or the 'study body' actually telling you how they died (what weapon). At least then if you see someone nearby with the same weapon you have a good (not 100%) indicator if that player is a bandit or not. Giving chances to interrogate the other player before approaching them etc.

Edited November 13, 2012 by Grey Warden

[Itsnotcrazyuntilchachacha 13]

Everyone look at me! I'm the one who wants a game that not only provides a nice survival experience but also your tension of other players and bandits. What i do not want is not being able to make friends ingame and team up as this to me is where the fun is. Yes theres friends IRL who play the game and teamspeak with clans etc outside but they never have the same feeling as teaming up with a complete unknown. I don't want KOS that shit is for COD and BF and Halo not DayZ. I want tension but i also want community and be able to intereact with people more than just 'shoot 'em'.

You considered Animal Crossing yet, right.

[Siberian (DayZ) 527]

Please check post 78 before making yourself look like a turd. Which clearly says i do not KOS habitually. THanks for the input.

i call bullshit, ur posts clearly make you out as one of those players that KoS from a distance and now is whining about having people know you do it in game via bandit skin..

i truely feel NO sympathy for bandits in DayZ.. you choose ur path, now you live it..

the same way i play total carebear and never return fire.. i either flee or die.. i accept my results as they happen.. i dont cry when i get KoS.. im never very happy when bandits just fire without speaking or sniping from distant mtn tops, but thats DayZ..

you either need to accept ur fate or enjoy watching dayZ SA from the outside and be bitter..

either way , no one here gives a fuk..

[Rage VG 4033]

Seriously? I think this is just you needing to have some type of visual indicator that a person is bad.

A visual indicator, as opposed to...? Do hostile enemies smell "hostile"?

[electroban 102]

You considered Animal Crossing yet, right.

is that you chance

[Dreygar (DayZ) 178]

ps theres NOOOO way the bandit skin is gunna be removed, its prolly one of the single best additions to DayZ since the KoS issue became the plaque it is today.

You do realize the bandit skin is not sticking around, neither are the food/water/etc indicators?

[Grey Warden 90]

You considered Animal Crossing yet, right.

I didn't say i don't want banditry. Just i don't want KOS only. Please read post again this time actually read what it says and not post 'smart' remarks like that, i don't like trolls. Thank you.

Everyone look at me! I'm the one who wants a game that not only provides a nice survival experience but also your tension of other players and bandits. What i do not want is not being able to make friends ingame and team up as this to me is where the fun is. Yes theres friends IRL who play the game and teamspeak with clans etc outside but they never have the same feeling as teaming up with a complete unknown. I don't want KOS that shit is for COD and BF and Halo not DayZ. I want tension but i also want community and be able to intereact with people more than just 'shoot 'em'.

[electroban 102]

i call bullshit, ur posts clearly make you out as one of those players that KoS from a distance and now is whining about having people know you do it in game via bandit skin..

i truely feel NO sympathy for bandits in DayZ.. you choose ur path, now you live it..

the same way i play total carebear and never return fire.. i either flee or die.. i accept my results as they happen.. i dont cry when i get KoS.. im never very happy when bandits just fire without speaking or sniping from distant mtn tops, but thats DayZ..

you either need to accept ur fate or enjoy watching dayZ SA from the outside and be bitter..

either way , no one here gives a fuk..

if only argumentative discussion was decided on how many swear words you could inject into a semi coherent post...

Accept my fate? Wasn't it already just stated in the thread they haven't even decided on the humanity system yet? So... Again Try reading the thread before you shit down yourself some more.

And I really can't be bothered to screenshot my debug to prove a turd whose already shitting all over himself already wrong.

[sausagekingofchicago 4711]

Yeah well there is, you get close and u say hi via direct chat, if he doesnt say anything you should probably run away. A lot of people seem to think the end game of Day Z should be one big flower circle. They just need to really hit hard on the resources and make you have to kill to survive. Not just kill to have fun.

I think you're missing the point of the game.

There are plenty of games on the market if you want one that forces you to shoot every player you come across. This is a sandbox game with an apocalyptic setting. It's not meant to be an endless deathmatch and you're supposed to use your head a bit more than what is required in the hordes of mindless shooters on the market. Forcing people to shoot others just to survive, no matter the threat level, is a tired concept. If I wanted that I'd go fire up CoD or Halo.

The bandit skin gives players a tool to identify a situation. Is the current system ideal? No. Does it work? Mostly. Can it be improved? Absolutely. We've seen how the game played without the skin and it was broken, vary. Gameplay has improved, for the most part, after the bandit skin was brought back.

All the better bandit skin threads in the past have boiled down to one thing, the whiniest bandit skin opponents want nothing but cheap kills. They don't want to be identified as a person that will shoot you in the back. They don't want others to shoot them but they want to shoot everyone they see. They liked their advantage and don't like how the tables have turned now that they're the ones being shot on sight.

The system is working. It just needs to be developed further.

OK Consider this as a hypothetical situation, say the game is rebalanced A LOT.

You're in the woods, there's no food ANYWHERE. Your food is blinking and you're bleeding out from the starvation. You see another player, whose just say got an axe where as you have a shotgun. You be the nice guy, you ask over Direct "Hey man you got any food?" The other player replies "Not for you bitch". I want my character to survive, so i shoot the player in the face and I prize his beans out of his cold dead hands. Oh no but what's this? a skin has been forced on your character, how the hell did that get there.

Morality system is bullshit, everyone knows it. It's there to stop the rampant amount of coastal banditry. And it didn't work to begin with. So why bother? It's just seems counter intuitive to what this game is.

See, you can't think outside of the box the gaming industry, I hope they're to blame, has put you in. There are many more options in that scenario other than just shooting the guy or starving to death. You're failure to see this is probably why you're a bandit in the first place.

[electroban 102]

See, you can't think outside of the box the gaming industry, I hope they're to blame, has put you in. There are many more options in that scenario other than just shooting the guy or starving to death. You're failure to see this is probably why you're a bandit in the first place.

It's funny how you say theres many more options yet don't list any lol.

Edited November 13, 2012 by electroban

[Dreygar (DayZ) 178]

Or the 'study body' actually telling you how they died (what weapon). At least then if you see someone nearby with the same weapon you have a good (not 100%) indicator if that player is a bandit or not. Giving chances to interrogate the other player before approaching them etc.

What do you want it to say? This person appears to have been shot. This person appears to be stabbed. That? Or do you want to know. This person has been shot with an M14? I mean... seriously. You, and the many others just want a dumbed down version of the game to make it easier. You're essentially whining that you get killed a lot, and you want to distinguish who is bad/good. That shouldn't be the direction of the game, and everything i've read/heard from Rocket seems that is not his intent as well. The idea is to make a game where players make the choices.

[Pennyworth (DayZ) 33]

Because Morals don't exist in reality, right? Long story short, if you went around killing people in a real apocalypse, people would know, and they would kill you. Skins is the game's way of portraying this.

Our world gets zombie'd and only 1.5% of the earths population is alive. No law exists, no CNN to report news. I decide being the bad person that I am that I want to go around killling everyone I see in my city (toronto) After murdering 100+ people and leaving no one alive. Who is going to go tell the rest of the survivors in this world that I am a murderer? Maybe Ill pull a bruce willis in die hard three and walk around with a sign to my back saying I HATE Ni.. SURVIVORS?

if I go to a small rural community and massacre all the survivors then get back into my truck and head back to my town where my "friends" are living will they know that I am a murderer? WIll they know that I just killed 4 adults and two kids?

No they wont.

Take your fan boy flawed logic and go elsewhere. The bandit skin has no place in this game. NO ONE wears a fucking sign saying HEY I LIKE TO KILL PEOPLE AND EAT THERE SKIN!

[Grey Warden 90]

"Edit: what about blood splatters on players who murdered recently? Flies follow them after a while but a change of clothes (found in houses at random and common like flares) would get rid of that straight away? (hiding it). But you have to burn the old clothes or something.

Or the 'study body' actually telling you how they died (what weapon). At least then if you see someone nearby with the same weapon you have a good (not 100%) indicator if that player is a bandit or not. Giving chances to interrogate the other player before approaching them etc."

I edited my last post as i don't like double posting. Not sure if people saw this but what your thoughts?

[Grey Warden 90]

What do you want it to say? This person appears to have been shot. This person appears to be stabbed. That? Or do you want to know. This person has been shot with an M14? I mean... seriously. You, and the many others just want a dumbed down version of the game to make it easier. You're essentially whining that you get killed a lot, and you want to distinguish who is bad/good. That shouldn't be the direction of the game, and everything i've read/heard from Rocket seems that is not his intent as well. The idea is to make a game where players make the choices.

Slow down there mate! I am merely putting ideas out there. I know they aren't great but i am trying to brainstorm and get people thinking about improving the mechanic and not just bickering. At no point have i whined about being killed alot your making alot of assumptions there mate.

What about telling you what ammo was used? (digging out the bullet/shrapnel?), it will be very inconclusive evidence but also not very accurate as many guns can use the same ammo type (5.56 for example).

Edit: fuck it, sorry for double post.

Edited November 13, 2012 by Grey Warden

[Dreygar (DayZ) 178]

The bandit skin gives players a tool to identify a situation. Is the current system ideal? No. Does it work? Mostly. Can it be improved? Absolutely. We've seen how the game played without the skin and it was broken, vary. Gameplay has improved, for the most part, after the bandit skin was brought back.

All the better bandit skin threads in the past have boiled down to one thing, the whiniest bandit skin opponents want nothing but cheap kills. They don't want to be identified as a person that will shoot you in the back. They don't want others to shoot them but they want to shoot everyone they see. They liked their advantage and don't like how the tables have turned now that they're the ones being shot on sight.

The system is working. It just needs to be developed further.

What is working about the system? You don't think the first introduction of bandit skins, where if obtained gave you a better advantage (camo) wasn't incentive to kill? Oh... then people realized how fun it was to kill one another so they kept doing it and now it is an uncontrolled downward spiral?

You don't think the lack of things to do in the game enabled people to resort to killing one another?

You don't think some newbie just wants to get his first weapon and run around killing anything they see?

This is a game, you cannot predict what someone is going to do; just like in the game you shouldn't be able to predict what the person is going to do. THAT is what brings the intense moments. Skins/indicators are not a solution to this, because there is no solution. People are going to do what they want in their sandbox, and having humanity is just silly.

[Rage VG 4033]

Our world gets zombie'd and only 1.5% of the earths population is alive. No law exists, no CNN to report news. I decide being the bad person that I am that I want to go around killling everyone I see in my city (toronto) After murdering 100+ people and leaving no one alive. Who is going to go tell the rest of the survivors in this world that I am a murderer? Maybe Ill pull a bruce willis in die hard three and walk around with a sign to my back saying I HATE Ni.. SURVIVORS?

No, and if you were to kill everyone in a server I doubt anyone would know it was you either.

Take your fan boy flawed logic and go elsewhere.

...What? Because I don't agree with you (Or more accurately, You don't agree with Me), I am a fanboy? And my logic is flawed?

[Itsnotcrazyuntilchachacha 13]

Well all in all. I'm sorry, you can not justify that skin being there. Again sorry, but if I right now went downstairs and festered on all my family's bodies, took a shower and went for a walk, nobody could ever tell I just killed anyone. And that's only an example.

If anyone goes no food for you bitch and well, you've a motherdrilling shotgun, quite stupid of him to give you that. If he rather goes oh sure please take my beans, and you still tear him a new bellybutton, well, whatever float your goat as well.

This is all about a context in which (as Fallout 3, to set an example) families could easily be feeding off a bunch of homeless beggars' bodies, and you couldn't blame them you know.

[Grey Warden 90]

...What? Because I don't agree with you (Or more accurately, You don't agree with Me), I am a fanboy? And my logic is flawed?

People often call people a fanboy due to them not agreeing with you. Only have to read comments about the flame wars on PS3 versus Xbox360 for an example.

[dallas 5195]

I'll keep this post short, since this topic is moving too fast for long posts.

and having humanity is just silly.

Actually it's the very essence of any post apocalytic tale.

These stories are not just about the struggle to survive, it's about how you survive.

[Dreygar (DayZ) 178]

Slow down there mate! I am merely putting ideas out there. I know they aren't great but i am trying to brainstorm and get people thinking about improving the mechanic and not just bickering. At no point have i whined about being killed alot your making alot of assumptions there mate.

What about telling you what ammo was used? (digging out the bullet/shrapnel?), it will be very inconclusive evidence but also not very accurate as many guns can use the same ammo type (5.56 for example).

Edit: fuck it, sorry for double post.

So now you're a crime scene detective? Do you know what a 5.56 projectile looks like? I bet many don't, nor what it looks like when it hits a target. Sorry... my answer to all this is... nothing. There are no signs of humanity. Humanity is lost, survivors remain. Stop whining that you got shot just because someone wanted to shoot you.

Just so you know, and I have seen it tossed around. "You think that way because you must be a bandit." No, I am not a bandit. Though I don't see how this brings anything to the game other than.. "Oh, you're wearing that skin, or you've got flies hovering over your head, or you've got blood on your hands so you must be a bad person. Bang bang."

[Rage VG 4033]

People often call people a fanboy due to them not agreeing with you. Only have to read comments about the flame wars on PS3 versus Xbox360 for an example.

No. Please, god, don't remind me. I used to have an xbox and then I bought a ps3 and oh god no.

[Grey Warden 90]

If anyone goes no food for you bitch and well, you've a motherdrilling shotgun, quite stupid of him to give you that. If he rather goes oh sure please take my beans, and you still tear him a new bellybutton, well, whatever float your goat as well.

In that example given to us the shotgun character did not say to the hatchet guy that he had a shotgun so how could he have known? Afterall he ran past the shotgun guy so thats what i assumed.

[dallas 5195]

lol I have the worst of luck, as soon as I post, we have raced to a new page.

[Grey Warden 90]

So now you're a crime scene detective? Do you know what a 5.56 projectile looks like? I bet many don't, nor what it looks like when it hits a target. Sorry... my answer to all this is... nothing. There are no signs of humanity. Humanity is lost, survivors remain. Stop whining that you got shot just because someone wanted to shoot you.

You just don't get it do you? I am trying to brainstorm for ideas here! How the fuck does that not get through your head?! I don't see you giving ideas to the thread!

If all you want to do is bicker and sling around insults then i have nothing to say to you, goodbye!

Fucking trolls.