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No I think that all of my arguments have been valid and poignant and everything you've said so far was just false information and now you're telling me to 'go play the mod' which is a serious lolzer as Rocket already confirmed private hive support will be added in teh future. I think you're the kind of player who likes the public hive cause you like ghosting and server hopping. You see, it's easy to create strawmen and accuse others of being lamers.

Not judging play style. Fully aware of the Combat Logging/Ghosting situation. My opinion and point is... As much fun it can be to roll around with a nice big group of friends, all rocking out on Teamspeak. A group of 10 people is pretty sloppy. I noticed its easier to manage and communicate with other people than try to figure out which and who is where when there is a lot of stuff going on. Setting up a checkstop and taking shoes seems like a hostile situation to me. I'd honestly try to shoot everyone there just for the hell of it.

Actually respawning loot will make the problem worse. Then there'd be an even less chance of inst-magi-jumping into a server that had no loot. Anyway, the fix is already on the roadmap. We just can't use it until it's fully ready, i.e. full release. HINT: Private Server/Private DB As long as Rocket is enarmoured with the Public Hive idea, this is what we are going to have to put up with. This, and ghosting.

Zeet, knowing when and where to pick your fights is a valuable skill. The sensible thing to do right now would be to leave the thread without saying another word. And on topic: no, ghosting is not an acceptable tactic to use against groups. It's abusing the server system. There's nothing wrong with grouping up.

So playing with your friends is an exploit, but ghosting is not?

Just posting to raise awareness again on this. Even if they were using aimbots or similar 3rd party programs to gain an advantage, they are cheats - not hacks. Sucks about people ghosting you though because that's pretty lame, but yeah, these are script kiddies / .exe loaders at best. They are cheaters, not hackers.

I think once a player fells unconsciouss he should *not* be able to see what's going on around him. It's a ghosting exploit for the unconscious players giving intel to their friends about enemy position and it would be nice if it gets disabled.

Nevermind me then, Zeet. I apparently misinterpreted that. Then again, as cowardly as that my be, it's more or less a "legit way to play the game". Not the ghosting, the big KOS groups I mean. I don't like it, but well ... no one is invincible.

"Morally Rewarding" Also want to mention that this started because you said ghosting was fair against large groups of players...

Ghosting is nasty but I still preffer to play with ghosters then with an admin of private server and his friends.

Lol I think I just ran into you! Northeast airfield swore I heard a shot but not to sure - looted all the buildings. Opened the door of the last one to hail of bullets - nothing hit ran around and climbed up the traffic control tower and that's when I got hit so god knows where he was shooting from. Rested and repaired myself about 10 mins and then waited another 15 but there was no sign. Sorry I had to go after that - the kitties needed feeding and I was not about to go AFK. Very clever leaving all the loot untouched. I had to eat about 6 cans of food and 2 of my water bottles to heal. Also fair play for not ghosting as I was pretty messed up and could hardly see anything.

Camping is not viable game tactics now becouse of ghosting yeah.

Hey buddy that's called ghosting, we're just talking about server hoppers right now.

Last night in Elektro was intense. After several fire fights and survivors killed, 3 pals and myself hold up in a building across from the church. That's where you and your buddies come in. First you use pantless freaks to try and lure us out. Not gonna happen. We are hunkered down and ready for a fight out of here. Yes we are patient. We were discussing plans to carry their fight to the end until you did something stupid. You or one of your pals tried to ghost us and got killed immediately. This seemed to puss you both off because that's when the insults started. At that moment you lost all credibility with us.but we decided to stick it out even further. We wet considering ghosting you back but decided to see if we had another way out. One of us runs across the street to close the church doors. He does so and attempts to return when one of you guns him down. Then you verbally assault us about his loot. We are discussing what to do next. That's when you ghost into the church. I suppose you thought one of us hiding in there or something. I even let you leave the church unscathed. You continue your verbal abuse and antagonizing demeanor. When we stop responding you start calling out our positions and guns we are holding saying over and over how you can see us. We are on the 3rd floor, you are street level. How you knew all this I cannot say but at that point we wrote you guys off as hacking ghosting losers. The only thing we could do is cover ourselves against another ghost attempt and not respond to you which obviously pissed you off. Is a hail of gun fire you took out one of us. This is not the experience we wanted. We wanted fair clean fights to the death. Your cheating ways will not be satisfied with the test of our gear. We combat log out because that's all you deserved. I'm on the same server still. No longer in the heart of Elektro. I will work my way in about the same time as last night's ordeal. I hope to find you pantless again. Gonna shove a bullet up yer pooper.

Ideally I'd like both public hive and private servers. I hate server hopping and ghosting, but love having one persistant character who can change servers at will. A couple of benefits of the public hive are: Trading/medics - Within the hive players can request medic help to the server they are in trouble, on or meet with other players to trade in game items - even setting up trading posts on specific servers as in the mod. Events - There have been times in the past when events have been scheduled on specific servers and anyone was invited, even attempts to lock down and make safe areas of the map for a period of time. This sort of thing can only really work with the hive as servers have limited spaces and everyone who wanted to participate would have to start as a Bambi. The primary benefit for the hive I think is being able to meet up with people (or ruin peoples' day), it makes it as if we are all potentially on the same map.

I think the public hive is nice, because playing solo I'll play with a UK ping, with friends I might play with a larger ping so that we can share the lag difference somewhat... that said I spend hours trekking across the map to meet up with people after going on a solo jaunt somewhere and leaving them in Olsha the night before. Also what happens if your usual server is full at peak times but otherwise empty? I do think the public hive needs to be more restrictive though...basically stop letting players swap back and forth as they choose and make them join a queue and be put in a server designated to them by the game: Make them play in a server with more players (stops people avoiding others for easier movement around the map), make them join servers with less loot nearby (to prevent server hopping), don't allow them to rejoin a server they just left (to prevent ghosting)...but first fix the desync...cuz I can't even see bandits on my screen if they have more than 4 medkits/ammox boxes/protective cases and come within 500m - once my hotbar stops working I log out or I die :(

They ghosted twice. We killed one as he loaded in. The second ghost was across the street. The church wad empty when we closed the doors, then one guy comes out begging us not to shoot. It was a ploy. They had the window covered so as soon as he ran out, bullets came flying in the window. Perhaps his view gave him an advantage but him and his buddies were definitely ghosting us more than once. That's why we simply left.

not having been there cant say for sure on anything lol but id say if they were hacking they wouldnt need to ghost because they could just teleport.. As for seeing someone up high from street level id guess your playing 3rd view server?? If so try for your self adjust your field of view as far back as it will go now when you lean forward it raises much much higher you would be amazed how high it can be raised lol Hence i only play (when i can ) on first person servers lol Oh desync can make a person seem to be ghosting infact i read nothing conclusive of cheating at all well except you admitting to combat logging. Again i wasnt there so i am guess based of what you have written and what i have experienced lol

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/163756-devs-easy-efficient-fixes-for-combatlogserverhop-eg/ http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/164160-idea-to-stop-server-hopers/ http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/162884-how-to-properly-eliminate-server-hopping-ghosting-and-combat-logging/ http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/163699-an-easy-fix-to-prevent-server-hopping/ http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/162679-server-hopping-ideas-and-more-here-dayz-sa/ http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/164691-a-way-to-reduce-kos-combat-logging-ghosting-server-hopping/

I think it comes down to a lack of consequences maybe because of public hive, no sense of community and no way to find and take revenge on that person if you met the same people on a server regularly and one backstabbed you would remember not to trust him next time. I think it should be 1 char per server if you jump to a new one you have to start fresh spawn on coast this would remove Ghosting and server hopping for loot also.

Pretty much all a server admin can do is reboot the server, and change it's name (but there are rules for that as well). Rule 12 won't apply as server jumping/combat logging/ghosting are not seen as exploits with SA ATM, except by some over zealous admins. The fact you were kicked within 30 seconds of joining would indicate that they aren't relying on solid evidence to boot, just user name. Admins can only kick, there is no functionality to allow admins to ban ATM, unless they have hacked the server code. Report them and have them and/or their server shutdown if it is indeed ignoring the rules: http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/158966-dayz-standalone-server-hosting-rules-server-reporting/

Was my issue a glitch, ghosting, blah blah? Doubtful. Unless I met the ballsiest SOB's in the game who walked around me within 5 ft of me in almost 2 complete circles, who announced their presence 10 seconds before playing loud music through their mic. Believe that as a glitch? I got a bridge with santa claus to sell you. They disappeared close to 7 times throughout the whole ordeal. The only reason I was alive for so long is they were horrdenous shots. I saw the whole thing. No way its ghosting.

Well, I was just in Electro in an house near beach.. I hear a shot and it misses me but puts me in shock in the upstairs window.. I proceed to go on stairs and watch the only entrance door into the building incase anyone tried coming in... 2 seconds later a guy appears infront of me at the bottom of the stairs... He didn't get the usual 30 seconds login time an gun reload sound, I shoot him from behind point blank range with my rifle, hit him... he instantly turns around an shoots me dead with a pistol...... Total hacker.. Firstly.. How come he didn't die pointblank from my rifle? secondly.. How could he instantly appear infront of me and instantly turn around in like 5 seconds? Now i know ghosting happens but im sure even with a super computer you can't run into a building on another server then walk inside, then log onto my server again, then instantly turn an shoot within 5 seconds... I hate cheaters, With a passion, lucky he's not next to me in real life, so P*ssed off...

Have almost 60 hours on the game Haven't seen a hacker Seen desync that looks like hacks but they weren't cause they were my friends and they Feds weren't hacking Trust me I shot a guy and he kept running so I thought he was hacking but he then suddenly died five minutes later (he asked to be killed) we didn't fire another shot It might look like hacks buuuut don't jump straight to that conclusion cause to them you might look like a hacker desyncing around And yeh it could be ghosting but yeh probs desync

High priority points in the game at this moment are. 1. Combat Logging. Fix: Abortable Logout Timer @1-2minutes, or instant logout (Alt+F4, Gamecrash, Internet shutdown) with a killable AI dummy spawning for 1-2minutes. First, to fast implement this feature, just with a direct chat message: "Player is logging out". For improvements you can add animations like a simply hand wink, or better, something like the player is taking out a sleeping bag and jumping in there until he is gone + some zip-sound or yawning. Also working would be a icon above his head, so everyone around can see he is disconnecting. Why that hight time? Example: It would be annoying, if you for example surround a house and force the insiders to surrender. If you wouldnt hear/see something of them for a few seconds, you would need to rush the house to be sure you get them without logging off. Thats why a timer lower then 60sec is a No-Go. 2. Server Hopping / Ghosting: - Similar to Combat Logging, when a player joins a new game, he shouldnt really be able to move the first 60 seconds. A direct chat message should appear "Player just logging in" (or waking up, or whatever), so players around are warned. This chat message could later be replaced by some "wake up yawning, and a crawling out of sleeping bag" animation. People would think twice before they serverhop in some crowded area for looting or backstabbing. - Players shouldnt be able to rejoin the same server within 5 minutes, so Ghosting (logging off, running to another position, logging in, shooting someone in the back) would be nearly impossible. (if you crash and want to rejoin your friends, 5min is an acceptable time to wait also, i guess) - Players who die should be auto-respawned within 15sec, so they cannot tell theyr friends what is goin on around. - If players are joining more then 3 Servers within 30min, theyr time to be able to join the next server should be increased (and so on) (only implement this or similar solution, when loot-respawn actually works) 3. Dead body despawn time should be increased to like 45min, 1 hour or more. - immersion - if you shoot someone and want to loot him, you cant always do it within 15min (or whatever it is at this moment) because other ppl might camp it, its too dangerous, or whatever reason. for now its just way too less. 4. Players in handsup/ surrender Animation should be able to search and take equipment from, just the same as ppl beeing handcuffed. For now, if you want to non-violently rob someone, you must tell them to drop allt theyr clothes + backback, just to search it. Pretty annoying. 5.6, 7..... more zombies and building and so on, is anyway on the list, so no need to mention it here. Sorry for new topic, but all this useless discussion about some important, pretty easy to fix thingies are just not necassary.