Why Punish People for a Certain Playstyle?

[bazbake 456]

As a gamer, I believe in a bit of escapism. And one thing I enjoy experiencing over and over again is the thrill of combat. But I worked hard for my loot and I don't think I should lose it just because some newb hijacks me and shoots me in the back. Now, I'm glad they nerfed pistols because them defending themselves was getting out of hand, but I think you can't just fix one thing and then break another. And that's why we need to talk about Alt+F4.

Are you serious? Alt+F4 is a completely valid play style. It's also the smartest playstyle around. Just fix the duping bugs and the script kiddies and the vehicle saves and then wait and see if alt+F4 is still a problem, that's all I'm saying. I don't think it's a problem at all, I just think you're confused by a bunch of other unrelated problems and you're picking an easy target.

But now people want to ban folks for playing a certain way? Just because they don't like it? Alt+F4 is in the code -- just like tents full of high-level gear and 3rd person view. Of course Rocket wants you to do it. He said the game is unfair and unforgiving. Why else would he make .50 caliber rifles so powerful? To test you against other peoples' ability to alt+F4 during a fight, obviously.

See, it's all about choices. When to fight. When to run. And people who alt+F4 are just making the choice to keep all of their loot because they don't want to fight some random person who didn't even introduce themselves properly. These are considered, thoughtful strategies and trying to code them out isn't progress. Removing things from the game is never progress. Besides, you don't want to lose everything just because you happened to die. What kind of a game is that?

This is the post-apocalypse. If I had that kind of advantage in real life, I would most definitely alt+F4 every time my life is in danger. It's just common sense. Who wouldn't use that power? And now you're trying to pretend like we would all get along and obey, what, your arbitrary laws of physics (which we still don't have a Unified Theorem explaining) and civility? Like we would lie down and let you take everything we have? Please.

All of you carebears who just want your kills handed to you. GTFO. Maybe you should have to work for it yourself by doxxing the player, going to their house, and shooting them in the neck with a paintball gun? Otherwise, you're just faking at this game. You haven't earned that loot one bit.

Edited August 18, 2012 by BazBake

[RayPugh 146]

lol i would find the page on alt f4 and how rocket sees it as an exploit but im sure someone will link it in the not to distant future

Edited August 18, 2012 by RayPugh

[prestondemaria@gmail.com 65]

You have got to be kidding me.

[RayPugh 146]

You have got to be kidding me.

490 posts, then this...

[prestondemaria@gmail.com 65]

Besides, you don't want to lose everything just because you happened to die. What kind of a game is that?

That's the entire fucking point of the game. You die and you lose everything you own because you DIED.

[SmashT 10907]

TLDR, OP is a pussy and wants to be able to alt f4 whenever he is shot at with no consequences

[atc86 46]

alt F4 is a play style??? No dude that's you shitting your pants and quitting like a little pussy!

The only time I would condone using alt F4 is if a hacker tp's you. If you just use it to get out of a legitimate PVP situation then you're a douchebag.

You're either a really good troll or just completely stupid.

[prestondemaria@gmail.com 65]

Congratz on making my signature look speshul.

[Whyku 11]

Its not a playstyle....Being a bandit is a playstyle...Y U NO UNDERSTAND?!

[Slide885 59]

Yes, fix the hacks, and the script kidies, and the other problems. But seriously? Grow a pair. yes some times its better to run, but when you can poof yourself out of real life combat let me know, I'll find a way to set you up with a military contract.

[cfnz 15]

I agree in general with the idea that people should not be punished for their chosen play-syle, however I don't consider alt-f4ing to be a play-style. If you want to run from a fight do it in game. Alt-f4ing is essentially quiting to avoid losing.

[enforcer1975 1111]

I don't know if i should take you serious but i will enlighten you a bit.

If you ever played anything else than DayZ you would know that ALT-F4 was already a problem in "life stlye gameplay communities" even before ArmA 2.

The commmunities that were affected could only deal with it because they were small and had community hosted servers, not by individuals. This way you could easily see who did what and who did wrong. ALT-F4 ( in this case to resist arrest ) was punished with temp or perma bans if repeated, so were other playstyles that involved griefing, glitching or similar. It took the admins some time to get a better rule set to pick out destructive players but then the community becamse better this way and everyone enjoyed playing. We even made the game designer built a safety into the mission if you wanted to glitch out of jail but your time wasn't up yet you went in again after reconnect.

So in the end i am saying ALT-F4 is no playstyle, it a windows feature that allows you to end an application and was never intended to be used that way. If people like you keep playing this way ALT-F4 will be removed and you will have to crtl-alt-del you application but then you would already be dead. Or you won't have a server to go to anymore because you are banned.

Now ALT-F4 your PC and get out of the internet and stay there.

Edited August 18, 2012 by Enforcer

[mattdbx@yahoo.com 180]

OP is either trolling, or needs to go back to playing Hello Kitty's tea party.

/thread

[svenbreakfast 231]

You write too well to be this stupid, so assuming troll.

At any rate, just because the mod is broken in a few ways doesn't mean you should break it some more. Who cares about your gear if to keep it you remove the tension from the game? Alt-f4 is a good tool if you are being hacked, but to cheat out of a fight ruins the game for both parties. Maybe you don't realize what you are missing by actually playing. Fuck your gear.

[Lord Sloth 8]

He is right why is a fifty calibre rifle so powerful its almost as if it was using 50 calibre rounds or something. Alt f-4 is technically a play style though your mind sense is not to punish you so why should the hackers be punished its they're play style. Though I am almost certain that Baz Bake is just fucking with us.

[Jackftw 310]

And a hacker nuking an entire server is a completely valid playstyle, why would you battleye ban people for a certain playstyle?

[Angel Knight 427]

Everyone who has responded seriously to this thread is a moron.

[UsuallyFriendly 10]

Edited August 18, 2012 by UsuallyFriendly

[sausagekingofchicago 4711]

Alt-f4 pussies should be given a million paper cuts and then thrown into a tub of STD's.

[adamhimself 0]

/disagree

That's one of the reasons that the game is so thrilling. You might lose *EVERYTHING.*

If you got to keep it all then it would just be another 3rd person shooter.

[Petri (DayZ) 14]

This thread is full of win.

Lootz are just bits and bytes, pixels in your screen, line of code.

If I want to play for lootz, I play WOW.

If I want to play deathmatch with zombies, I play Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City.

And alt + f4 is for pussies, same as kill on sight, neither requires any effort on your behalf.

[RaysGoodLiquor 93]

With that logic, hacking/cheating will always prove to be the best strategy. Basically, you're suggesting that if you're not running a god mode script, you aren't playing your character to his/her full potential, and are a noob. I don't see the point in alt-F4ing because there is really no payoff. I don't see why so many people get attached to their items anyway. The gear most people find good enough to Alt-F4 to save, I can collect in about 2 hours from a fresh spawn. 2 hours of work lost in this game is NOTHING.

[M O N S T E R 599]

Lol at the trolled in this thread. Rage in almost every reply, jesus. Congrats OP, you won.

-MONSTER

[Stworca 87]

I was in Electro the other day, ghillie and m107, against another sniper with ghillie and as50. Couldn't see him, he couldn't see me. I was waiting till he takes a shot, and reveals his location (quite sure he didn't even know i was there!)

A few minutes have passed, he finally fired on a survivor in the powerplant, i could hear that he actually was a good 200 meters BEHIND me (the horror!) thankfully the bushes allowed me to easily turn and aim towards where i expected him to be.

I've seen zombies run towards his location, and thought "Checkmate".

He Alt F4'd and all zombies disappeared.

It was the first time i was actually fuckin' infuriated in this game. I died later that day, after a week of survival, but all i could think of was this asshat with amazing gear altf4 from zombies

And now you come here and call Alt4 a valid play style. No. NO. If i see a name that even remotely resembles yours on a server, i will find you, and i will kill you.

Not the KOS bandits, not breaking legs by sneezing, not the hackers, YOU are the only problem i have with this mod.

Edited August 18, 2012 by Stworca

[kebman 213]

I agree. Alt+F4 should be a valid play style. I think it is stupid to punish trying to save oneself, or giving out bans for it. That's just too harsh.

However, it's very easy to fix. Simply have an Alt+F4 timer and leave the soulless survivor in the game for a few seconds or minutes after the player has quit. The pursuers hunting him would then have a fair chance of shooting him dead, and when he dies, he leaves a corpse for looting. As we all know, it does of course take much longer for the corpse to disappear.

Doing that isn't punishment per se, rather it promotes being in safety before logging out.