Community Banlist

[Khyron_UN 14]

roger that :-)

[SaintMerc 73]

The Community Ban list has been updated, all duplicated entries have now been deleted.

http://code.google.c...e/bans/bans.txt

Maybe a sticky for this thread. :)

Edited August 19, 2012 by UXFaz

[SmashT 10907]

So I'll ask it again, how are you confirming the legitimacy of the log files since they are basically a .txt file and can be edited to show anything anyone wanted. It's a valid concern and seems like a pretty massive flaw with this system.

What are your requirements for a server admin to submit their bans?

Here are a couple of suggestions I had, servers/admins need to be verified and meet a number of requirements before their bans/logs will be accepted, similar to pbbans streaming requirements. http://www.pbbans.com/forums/streaming-requirements-t147669.html

Two seperate banlists, every time a verified server/admin submits a ban to you guys, they are added to a "grey list", this list is not public or shared, each submission will have the the person who was banned, the server/admin who submitted the ban and the log file.

If X number of servers/admins have submitted the same person/guid, that person will be moved to the "black list" which is public/shared with anyone who wants it.

Edited August 20, 2012 by smasht_AU

[darklight12345 4]

There are obviously issues with the system involved, considering i've been banned. It's kinda hard to hack when the only time you play is with a streamer ya know.

[(OCN)Vortech 65]

So I'll ask it again, how are you confirming the legitimacy of the log files since they are basically a .txt file and can be edited to show anything anyone wanted. It's a valid concern and seems like a pretty massive flaw with this system.

What are your requirements for a server admin to submit their bans?

Here are a couple of suggestions I had, servers/admins need to be verified and meet a number of requirements before their bans/logs will be accepted, similar to pbbans streaming requirements. http://www.pbbans.com/forums/streaming-requirements-t147669.html

Two seperate banlists, every time a verified server/admin submits a ban to you guys, they are added to a "grey list", this list is not public or shared, each submission will have the the person who was banned, the server/admin who submitted the ban and the log file.

If X number of servers/admins have submitted the same person/guid, that person will be moved to the "black list" which is public/shared with anyone who wants it.

I imagine they determine legitimacy based on the best practices provided by BIS namely Dwarden. While a text file could be edited the damage a rouge admin could do it much less then a cheating player. Think about the specifics and lengths an admin would have to go through to fraudulently get a player committed.

What requirements do they need beyond submitting them?

I like the idea of two lists but I think it should be an addition.. Someone needs to provide a minecraft-style MCBans MCBouncer'ish banning solutions to this community. I know BEC has a streaming GUID service we utilize on our servers but at this point the CBL is more valuable and current. I know the dev behind Dart is planning something similar, hopefully we'll see a number of people combine their resources and provide us a complete service/solution.

There are obviously issues with the system involved, considering i've been banned. It's kinda hard to hack when the only time you play is with a streamer ya know.

The CBL is not the system that banned you, the admin that banned you is. The CBL is a repository of banned players, while I've see they are checking bans before committing them, they are the last line of defense not the determining detection. If you feel you were banned wrongfully then open a dispute ticket with the CBL and they'll look into the ban, possibly provide proof by log, and you can work out a resolution. These logs are a work in progress, their interpretation by admins is all across the board, be patient. The new logs and the CBL are doing good work, interruptions due to cheaters have been massively reduced.

[domistyle 221]

DaRTBans is already up and running and you can already report players via DaRT.

I think this works alot better then a list like this which needs alot of effort to keep it up.

All the reports need to get looked at, DaRTBans does all of that automatically and is based on the same system as MCBans.

If some people report the same person the person gets flagged and added to the ban list.

I will offer a ban list once enough reports are in.

In the next update it will also be integrated in the ban dialog, which makes it alot more reliable.

On the other side, do you mind if I include the community ban list in my ban list too?

I would like to include global bans, community bans as well as DaRTBans.

Edited August 20, 2012 by DomiStyle

[Wo3dy 111]

There are obviously issues with the system involved, considering i've been banned. It's kinda hard to hack when the only time you play is with a streamer ya know.

like Vortech said, if you feel falsely accused. do a ban apeal.

More people have appealed to it, and have been removed from the banlist, so its not uncommon.

If you dont, then yeh, speaks for itselfs then.

[Wo3dy 111]

DaRTBans is already up and running and you can already report players via DaRT.

I think this works alot better then a list like this which needs alot of effort to keep it up.

All the reports need to get looked at, DaRTBans does all of that automatically and is based on the same system as MCBans.

If some people report the same person the person gets flagged and added to the ban list.

I will offer a ban list once enough reports are in.

In the next update it will also be integrated in the ban dialog, which makes it alot more reliable.

On the other side, do you mind if I include the community ban list in my ban list too?

I would like to include global bans, community bans as well as DaRTBans.

As for the license all this falls under, well, we decided on a nice and simple one:

DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE Version 2, December 2004

Copyright © 2004 Sam Hocevar <sam@hocevar.net>

Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim or modified copies of this license document, and changing it is allowed as long as the name is changed.

DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR COPYING, DISTRIBUTION AND MODIFICATION

0. You just DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO.

[domistyle 221]

Sounds good, I will just go on and do the fuck what I want. ;)

[darklight12345 4]

like Vortech said, if you feel falsely accused. do a ban apeal.

More people have appealed to it, and have been removed from the banlist, so its not uncommon.

If you dont, then yeh, speaks for itselfs then.

I have appealed it, been on the issueslist (issue 95) since a few hours before i made that post. Whats funny, is that most likely i have video proof in the streamers archives most likely.

Edited August 20, 2012 by darklight

[SaintMerc 73]

To admin's posting ban's to the CBL (Community Ban List), plz do not post bans to be added to the list

unless you send proof with the GUID's you wish to ban.

No GUID's that are sent to the list will get added unless proof is provided with the GUID you wish to ban.

Edited August 21, 2012 by UXFaz

[vandrel 36]

No offence, but how do you check if the logs provided by an admin are legit? Afaik anyone can edit a .txt file to their liking, so if some admin finds someone destroying their camp and gets angry he can submit his GUID with faked logs to your community-banlist and get this guy banned on a ton of servers for no reason? Doesn't really seem fair to me.

I like that you're trying to do something about the cheating problem, but it shouldn't be possible to ban individuals based on "proof" that can be easily faked.

Exactly, this thing right here has the upmost chance of being abused by anyone who gets upset and butthurt about getting killed by someone else and losing their epic gear. All they have to do (if they happen to see them losing connection or having a high ping and getting booted) is write down their GUID and add it to the list, or better yet if they are Admin and have direct access to the GUID in logs.

Good idea, bad judgment is my 2cents. Community list is step in the right direction but with the power in the people's hands it's just too risky to have as a standard for all servers and not have it abused. Anyone can type up a text file and rename or add-in lines.

[Wo3dy 111]

Exactly, this thing right here has the upmost chance of being abused by anyone who gets upset and butthurt about getting killed by someone else and losing their epic gear. All they have to do (if they happen to see them losing connection or having a high ping and getting booted) is write down their GUID and add it to the list, or better yet if they are Admin and have direct access to the GUID in logs.

Good idea, bad judgment is my 2cents. Community list is step in the right direction but with the power in the people's hands it's just too risky to have as a standard for all servers and not have it abused. Anyone can type up a text file and rename or add-in lines.

seems you clearly didnt read everything then, as mentioned, you wont have anyone in the banlist without log information.

just a GUID or a name wont get anyone on the list.

CBL is the only thing you'll get, for a pretty long time.

yeh others are working on a automated system with a sorta scoreboard to it.

and how/when will it be effective?

CBL gets false-positives: Fact !

CBL unbanns false-positives with ban appeal: Fact!

I prefer having a person ubanned, then having 100 scripts-users walking freely.

Yeh people that get falsely banned, wont agree with me, others might not be either.

But its Currently the only effective way of preventing script-users.

You dont need to use the list, its your choice,

i bet many that talk here being against it, STILL use the CBL.

ps: nothing is Fail-proof, BE also have false-positives, and has even worse effects then ours.

my 2cents

Edited August 21, 2012 by Wo3dy

[darklight12345 4]

seems you clearly didnt read everything then, as mentioned, you wont have anyone in the banlist without log information.

just a GUID or a name wont get anyone on the list.

I believe your misunderstanding what he's saying. If your depending on admins whats to stop them from creating falselogs.

I could submit this

player guid ad3aa1d0ec363bff90f486fad7e45d81 (which happens to be a banned person)

18.08.2012 12:53:39: i h8 hackers (60.231.65.105:52281) 13504a0dd4b422eeb49a260ca5bc5b3e - #0 "if (name vehicle player == TTT5NamePl) then {_xcompiled = compile TTT5derCode;call _xcompiled;};"

18.08.2012 12:53:39: i h8 hackers (60.231.65.105:52281) 13504a0dd4b422eeb49a260ca5bc5b3e - #2 "if (name vehicle player == TTT5NamePl) then {_xcompiled = compile TTT5derCode;call _xcompiled;};"

This log, according to the issues site, is enough to get someone on the list. Now, whats to stop them from just spoofing logs like i just did?

Edited August 21, 2012 by darklight

[SaintMerc 73]

I believe your misunderstanding what he's saying. If your depending on admins whats to stop them from creating falselogs.

I could submit this

player guid ad3aa1d0ec363bff90f486fad7e45d81 (which happens to be a banned person)

18.08.2012 12:53:39: i h8 hackers (60.231.65.105:52281) 13504a0dd4b422eeb49a260ca5bc5b3e - #0 "if (name vehicle player == TTT5NamePl) then {_xcompiled = compile TTT5derCode;call _xcompiled;};"

18.08.2012 12:53:39: i h8 hackers (60.231.65.105:52281) 13504a0dd4b422eeb49a260ca5bc5b3e - #2 "if (name vehicle player == TTT5NamePl) then {_xcompiled = compile TTT5derCode;call _xcompiled;};"

This log, according to the issues site, is enough to get someone on the list. Now, whats to stop them from just spoofing logs like i just did?

I don't think you quite understand how the CBL works.

Just because a admin posts a ban list to the CBL with proof, does not mean it will be added to the list,

But if many admin's have that same player banned for x reason, then they would most likely be added to the list.

This is my understanding of how it works. So what your saying is possible but highly unlikely.

But as always mistakes can be made.

[Golan Rond 15]

I have received ban from server

(BattlEye: Banned ( W4d9b2182 0x0f44d938))

But i don't have never use cheat :( why have banned me?

Fr129

and i entered into another server but my player is empty without anything... all stat is ok but empty... this is admin abuse^?

Edited August 21, 2012 by Golan Rond

[vandrel 36]

seems you clearly didnt read everything then, as mentioned, you wont have anyone in the banlist without log information.

just a GUID or a name wont get anyone on the list.

CBL is the only thing you'll get, for a pretty long time.

yeh others are working on a automated system with a sorta scoreboard to it.

and how/when will it be effective?

CBL gets false-positives: Fact !

CBL unbanns false-positives with ban appeal: Fact!

I prefer having a person ubanned, then having 100 scripts-users walking freely.

Yeh people that get falsely banned, wont agree with me, others might not be either.

But its Currently the only effective way of preventing script-users.

You dont need to use the list, its your choice,

i bet many that talk here being against it, STILL use the CBL.

ps: nothing is Fail-proof, BE also have false-positives, and has even worse effects then ours.

my 2cents

You missed the point there.

You, as a non BI employee, have absolutely no way to prove that these are made up. This I can assure you of. You are a end-user like the rest of the community here and as such your information and understanding of the product is limited. Your knowledge is based on he said/she said and what you've read. You are relying on other end-users to provide you with information that you then say go/no-go for adding to the list.

Again, YOU have no way of proving submitted materials are simply copied and pasted. I could do a 10 minute search on this site and pull at least 50 different postings that contain server Admins asking questions and complaining about players on their servers and simply alter a few of the data entries to match the desired target that I want added to the ban list and you have no way to prove otherwise.

Having no direct access to BattleEye server data or internal BI stuff means you are basing all of this on a whim, period.

My point stands, this has way too much room for abuse and anyone who intends on using it on their server just simply opens the door to false bannings because Admin (A) on Server (F) got butt hurt about Player (Z) shooting him in the face and taking his LEET gearz.

Edited August 21, 2012 by Vandrel

[darklight12345 4]

You'd think with how much they talk about false positives they'd actually be trying to fix such things as fast as possible...

[Legacy (DayZ) 1091]

Stickied.

[Deltron0 0]

I've posted an issue on the issues section of the banlist asking for proof concerning my ban, seeing as I have no idea why i was banned but still havn't recieved a reply. That was four days ago and it's very annoying to find a server.

[(OCN)Vortech 65]

I've posted an issue on the issues section of the banlist asking for proof concerning my ban, seeing as I have no idea why i was banned but still havn't recieved a reply. That was four days ago and it's very annoying to find a server.

Yeah, I believe they're really busy ATM.. There's over 200 submissions waiting for review. If you want to find your log try searching here (http://code.google.com/p/dayz-community-banlist/issues/list?can=1&q=&colspec=ID+Type+Status+Priority+Milestone+Owner+Summary&cells=tiles).

Edited August 23, 2012 by (OCN)Vortech

[vandrel 36]

Yeah, I believe they're really busy ATM.. There's over 200 submissions waiting for review. If you want to find your log try searching here (http://code.google.c...ary&cells=tiles).

I think these guys bit off a little more then they could chew and are only now realizing the time involved in management of something like this. Too many false bannings due to someone's e-feelings getting hurt cause they died and lost their leet gear.

Crap like this is all that one would have to send in for a person to get added to the naughty list:

[b]GUID affected:[/b]
6392b15a7f780f1b5f90f633e95d694c

[b]Explanation:[/b]
20.08.2012 01:01:17: Fred (207.253.165.219:2304) 6392b15a7f780f1b5f90f633e95d694c - #0 "
if (isServer) then {
_object = createVehicle ['ATV_CZ_EP1', [9761, 1762.29, 0], [], 0, 'CAN_COLLIDE'];
_object setVariable ['ObjectID', 1982.85, true];
dayz_serverObjectMonitor set [count dayz_serverObjectMonitor, _object];
_uid = _object call dayz_objec"
20.08.2012 01:01:17: Fred (207.253.165.219:2304) 6392b15a7f780f1b5f90f633e95d694c - #3 "
if (isServer) then {
_object = createVehicle ['ATV_CZ_EP1', [9761, 1762.29, 0], [], 0, 'CAN_COLLIDE'];
_object setVariable ['ObjectID', 1982.85, true];
dayz_serverObjectMonitor set [count dayz_serverObjectMonitor, _object];
_uid = _object call dayz_objec"


Have backups of logs & server logs / rpt if needed

Insert target GUID, add random IP address, submit and done. Doesn't even matter what their profile (player) name is cause it's GUID based for the ban. Enter the name of BigFloppyDonkeyDick if you want, doesn't matter one bit.

Edited August 23, 2012 by Vandrel

[Deltron0 0]

Yeah, I believe they're really busy ATM.. There's over 200 submissions waiting for review. If you want to find your log try searching here (http://code.google.c...ary&cells=tiles).

Yeah i've looked already and can't see anything, I don't why would I would be banned seeing as i havn't used any scripts/cheats and if i had wouldnt battleye pick them up?

[(OCN)Vortech 65]

I think these guys bit off a little more then they could chew and are only now realizing the time involved in management of something like this. Too many false bannings due to someone's e-feelings getting hurt cause they died and lost their leet gear.

Crap like this is all that one would have to send in for a person to get added to the naughty list:

Insert target GUID, add random IP address, submit and done. Doesn't even matter what their profile (player) name is cause it's GUID based for the ban. Enter the name of BigFloppyDonkeyDick if you want, doesn't matter one bit.

I sort of agree, the thing that confuses me is that BIS and or contracted ArmA talent are directly involved to some extent and listed as maintainer/contributors.. However it seems civilians have been committing most of the bans lately.

Not to single you out but I don't know what people are going on about.. Are you SOOOO cynical that you think somebody really cares enough to not only ban you locally BUT go through the trouble of fabricating a post and submitting it to a community list? A list that can easily be disputed? Have you played Minecraft? Do you know how that 7,100,898 strong community polices itself with 3rd party banning solutions? Do you know how you get added to those lists? BY TYPING IN THE ABUSERS NAME!?! Do people abuse the system, sure.. It's as simple as typing in a username. They allow disputes and the community manages itself and lives on. I'm tired of cynics exaggerate the worst possible scenario as if it's happening by the minute. When the list was being updated daily I did not see a single justified dispute trigger a name come off.

I've said this before more eloquently but.. You don't jeopardize every server by passing on a system like this. The CBL is all about the great good and the majority of users enjoying themselves on our servers free of interruption by cheaters. You get banned? Then dispute it and let the logs do the talking.

Yeah i've looked already and can't see anything, I don't why would I would be banned seeing as i havn't used any scripts/cheats and if i had wouldnt battleye pick them up?

It was likely grandfathered in or a local ban that you have mistaken for a CBL ban. Be patient and a CBL representative will contact you.

[vandrel 36]

Are you SOOOO cynical that you think somebody really cares enough to not only ban you locally BUT go through the trouble of fabricating a post and submitting it to a community list? A list that can easily be disputed?

Sure, I play quite a bit of DayZ, at home and at work...... there's at least 1 hacker on every server all hours of the day and in most cases more then 1. Then there's the abusive admins who in most instances can be classified as basement dwelling children who never see the light of day and care how big their e-peen is. These are the people you, I and everyone else play with. Most of these people will get really butt hurt if you kill them. And you know what? I'm sure quite a few of them act similar to this kid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg9uNYwoJ3o

So yes, as we have already seen, people are being added to this "CBL" over hurt feelings in-game. The process to get removed isn't very intuitive at all as you have to rely on another end-user (gamer) to sort through the hundreds of other appeals and hope you get removed. For anyone who gets pasted onto this "community", I feel for you. The worst thing a game can allow is empowering it's players with the ability to police eachother, too many egos and hurt feelings to keep the abuse from happening.