Banned from Eu8 for russian language

[jockbhoy@blueyonder.co.uk 3]

Jeez...is this thread still going!...i bowed out a couple of days ago. As an admin I am not happy with the Cyrilic Keyboards either, I have no problem with Russian players what language they speak or any other nationalities on a server so long as it keeps the game running smoothly for EVERYONE. Rocket has already said a few posts ago enforcing a server to use just one language is not going to happen for the moment, they may review the situation later. but for now its just NOT going to happen. So until the DayZ guys sit down, think of the practical repercussions of the rules they have in place and review all the complaints, its just wasted energy arguing in this thread about it. Everyone will always want their say, could a moderator not close this thread and let this drop for now.

[penox 2]

Popping in on the conversation:

I'm one of the co-founders and server admins of FI3 (the [FAG] group server) and I'm a bit troubled at the moment...

We're trying to create a community for finnish players while keeping open doors for anyone else who happens to join our server. The most common suggestion when we opened up the server was to limit the languages on the server global chats to finnish and english only.

We take the time to warn anyone manually every time someone speaks some other language, yet we get a lot of flak for being racists and for hating the specific countries. I can see why people are complaining about the rule but the whole reason the rule even exists is to make it a better experience for everyone (the whole taking other people into consideration -thing). I just can't see why we are being accused of racism and hating specific countries. I don't have a beef with anyone, I love playing with people from other countries since their tactics and gamestyle differ so much from ours.

By limiting the languages we're catering to the larger part of the community on our server by making the communication just a little bit easier, and a lot of players seem to like that. Every time we're taking a break from the server to have a nap, go to work or even eat we get a couple of complaints about the server going wild with people hammering the chat and voiceover being spammed by people with voice activation.

We've had players threatening us with lawsuits, anthrax and killing but a couple of days ago we were told not to enforce such rules anymore. I've spent a good while reading this thread and learning about both sides of the story so I decided to add in my own.

TL;DR:

Imagine 40 players, one being a mic spammer, no admins around. Everyone asks the one guy to stop, he doesn't. The other 39 guys have to mute the person manually.

It's not about racism, please keep that out of here. Take other people into consideration and we could all play together :)

- My 5 cents

*This text does not represent the opinion of the server admins, just my own*

[jayroe 3]

It's not the problem of the Russians if you dont understand our language.

Beautiful. It's not your problem, so it is not a problem.

Would it be a problem for Russians if France got an IP-range ban? Nope? Then it's ALL okay.

This isn't racism, it's a natural response to someone engaging in an ethical discussion with blatant disregards for everyone but himself.

If 90% of the cheaters in-game are Danish, would it be racist to allow admins to enforce anti-cheating rules knowing that this would largely only affect Danes?

Nobody's asking for anti-Russian rules, we're asking for rules to allow admins to enforce consideration of other players than yourself. If you feel this is aimed at only you or Russians, it might be time to reflect.

[Zarlak 339]

I think some of you need to read up on race and what constitutes a 'race' and therefore 'racism'

Race is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by heritable phenotypic characteristics, geographic ancestry, physical appearance, ethnicity and social status.

Ethnicity

An ethnic group is a group of people who share a common ethnicity. That is, its members identify with each other through a common heritage, consisting of a common culture, including a shared language or dialect. The group's ethos or ideology may also stress common ancestry, religion, or race.

"Racism" and "racial discrimination" are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial. According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the terms racial discrimination and ethnicity discrimination.

Language is included in race, to discriminate against it is racism.

[Huey (DayZ) 87]

Pff..what a thread.

So a server-admin can enforce a certain language on his server, say English.. and kick (not ban) people if they keep speaking a different language in chat?

[dalereo 5]

Got to thank the admin though. Way too many Russians spread out on other non-RU servers' date=' causing pure Russian havoc and a general pain in the ass. No foreign language or ban, pls.

[/quote']

I have issued Kuningas a 1 week ban from the forums.

There is nothing that I despise more in this world than racism. If people would travel a bit, they would see how similar we all are. Yes, not being able to understand creates some difficulties. But we should be tolerant, treat others as we want to be treated.

Ping blocks are fine, that is indiscriminate and based on performance. But can someone please explain what isn't entirely racist about that comment.

Regarding block/ban for language. I pretty much put racism on the same level as hacking. In fact, in many ways it is worse. I can kind of understand the reasons why someone would hack. But to dislike someone simply because you don't understand what they say, that makes no sense to me.

We don't really have a lot of rules, but this one is very strong. Please respect that rule and take it as an opportunity to learn a bit more about another culture and language.

Its all good im actully sending BIS an EMail right now about this because Racisim is not defined by what you just said that it is. Russians are Considered White/European what you are talking about is totaly different and is not covered under your "Rules".

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Its doesent matter My POINT IS THIS ROCKET i asked a guy who was russian to speak english very nicley because he was the only person in my server that spoke russian there was no need for him to keep speaking it he then Called me an American BITCH in russian only reason i knew is someone had taken some russian in school and was like woah that isent nice and i asked them what thinking they got killed in game or something and she began to tell me how he was Insulting me in russian so you Sir can take your understanding statement and shove it i dont see them trying to understand where im coming from no when you ask them nicly to speak in english they tell Us to to F our fat American ass's and eat a cheese burger well im sorry But it seems like you are being one sided on this.

[Legacy (DayZ) 1091]

Its all good im actully sending BIS an EMail right now about this because Racisim is not defined by what you just said that it is.

And why are you sending BIS an Email? :V

[dallas 5195]

How come people who are quick to characterize an entire nation's population in one generalizing way are so conserned about the strickest dictionary definition of racism. If you're willing to make a generalized statement about 143 million people, why do you care if you're accused of racism, bigotry or xenophobia?

[hivemind (DayZ) 3]

Its all good im actully sending BIS an EMail right now about this because Racisim is not defined by what you just said that it is. Russians are Considered White/European what you are talking about is totaly different and is not covered under your "Rules".

According to the United Nations conventions' date=' there is no distinction between the terms racial discrimination and ethnicity discrimination.[/i']

Definition of ethnicity:

An ethnic group is a group of people whose members identify with each other through a common heritage, consisting of a common culture, including a shared language or dialect.

Your argument is now invalid. Please cease and desist.

[Thunfisch (DayZ) 9]

for mother russia comrades

[Enfernuz 0]

I know, it's been written at the previous pages, but my point is simple: if anyone chats on a foreign language I don't understand, I simply don't give a shit. He isn't communicating with me, he's communicating with the other people, so why it has to bother me? If one doesn't know English --- so, one less to chat with.

The only thing I can't stand is insults. People who use such phrases like "fat american pig" or "russian alcoholic" etc. should be banned immediately. This game is for clever people, not for dumb ones.

[LedoS 0]

Please note that admins of "EU28" ban players that don't speak English.

If it's not EU28 then the admin's name is bFe.

[liquidje 38]

Its all good im actully sending BIS an EMail right now about this because Racisim is not defined by what you just said that it is. Russians are Considered White/European what you are talking about is totaly different and is not covered under your "Rules".

Okay, then I will contact Apple that I have trouble running ArmA2 on Windows 7. While I'm at it, I will ask Apple to also take a look at my car and if they can fix my windshield.

Also, how can you be offended? From what I read in your reply, you are not American, or at least very poor at writing in your own language.

[Fionny 7]

I dont understand why server owners are not allowed to enforce a specific language being spoken on public channels. If this is made clear in an MOTD or server name and a series of polite warnings are provided then where is the harm.

You can not moderate a language you do not speak therefore ANYTHING could be said. I only read that annoucnement thread re: banning on language server warning Rocket issued that the guy had indeed directly insulted the admin in Russian this was confirmed by a russian speaker in the thread.

I have been warned for swearing in english on some servers... this is how I speak so should I be allowed to carry on (not abusing someone but saying things like s**t i just died etc...)? I fail to see hows its different.

For whats its worth I too feel racism is one of the most stupid ignorant things in this world and I cannot abide it either.

[tiri 21]

I dont understand why server owners are not allowed to enforce a specific language being spoken on public channels. If this is made clear in an MOTD or server name and a series of polite warnings are provided then where is the harm.

You can not moderate a language you do not speak therefore ANYTHING could be said.

I completely agree with that.

On the servers, I see at least 80% percent of the players speaking english, and for a lot of them it is not their native language. They are just being cooperative, knowing that most people know english.

If everyone spoke in their native language, the ingame chat would be nothing but a useless spam place. And when someone ask them kindly to speak englsh, the answer is not kind most of the time. It is not possible to moderate a server like that.

For example, see the forum: you have a russian-speaking sub-forum. Positive or negative, this is discriminatory toward almost everyone: non-english and non-russian players will have nowhere to talk, and russian players have to talk in that sub-forum and nowhere else.

This is only because it's not possible to enforce rules on a forum if everyone is speaking the language they want. There are russian-speaking administrators on this sub-forum and english-speaking administrators on the rest of the forum.

It works exactly the same for the game servers. Except we don't have russian-speaking administrators. And it is the same for every language except english: most of them have a native language, but you won't find administrators speaking german, french, spanish, english, italian and russian at the same time.

So, Rocket, the solution is simple: provide for every server a moderator able to speak every language, or let administrators define the languages they know so that they can enforce the rules.

[Fionny 7]

The forums are an EXCELLENT example!

[solarsailor 1]

For example' date=' see the forum: you have a russian-speaking sub-forum. Positive or negative, this is discriminatory toward almost everyone: non-english and non-russian players will have nowhere to talk, and russian players have to talk in that sub-forum and nowhere else.

[/quote']

Communication is the main feature of forums. Communication in the global DayZ chat can be safely ignored (actually, I hate this chat, the amount of stupidity of both Russian and English-speaking people is unbeleivable and it's distracting as hell). See the difference?

And that's why it will be removed in future versions. No global channel, no problems.

/thread

[Keurk 4]

the simple fact servers need to enforce rules about language show how fucked up are some people in this world...

[Fionny 7]

the simple fact servers need to enforce rules about language show how fucked up are some people in this world...

How does wanting to only have someone speaking a language you understand on YOUR server show how fucked up the world is? Do enlighten me.

Shall I start speaking irish on forums? maybe the germans / french / arabic / dutch /flemish / italian / spanish / polish / sweedish etc... should also just start using their languages? Lets see how fun things get on here then.

[mansen 1]

the simple fact servers need to enforce rules about language show how fucked up are some people in this world...

I for one am not entirely thrilled having my side chat on a Danish server consisting of pure cyrillic characters. :dodgy:

Or any other language than the host country language and english.

[LedoS 0]

the simple fact servers need to enforce rules about language show how fucked up are some people in this world...

I for one am not entirely thrilled having my side chat on a Danish server consisting of pure cyrillic characters. :dodgy:

Or any other language than the host country language and english.

That's so hard to just ignore global chat/cyrillic letters, right!

[Fionny 7]

It is actually, especially if some switches back and forth, ive seen many resposes to people that you can be pretty sure they are insults but dont have the guts to type them in english.

Every game out there pretty much has language rules to specific servers... i mean if I connected to the RU servers and started speaking in english and someone wanted me to stop i would respect that... it is after all an RU server.

[mansen 1]

the simple fact servers need to enforce rules about language show how fucked up are some people in this world...

I for one am not entirely thrilled having my side chat on a Danish server consisting of pure cyrillic characters. :dodgy:

Or any other language than the host country language and english.

That's so hard to just ignore global chat/cyrillic letters' date=' right!

[/quote']

Your sarcasm has been noted - and promptly ignored.

The issue only grows worse once we get local chat (as humorous as it may be to be the only english speaking person on an english server in a hostile zombie wasteland)

[Fionny 7]

I suspect servers will adopt a low ping kick policy to try and regulate things.

[Basshead 20]

I have issued Kuningas a 1 week ban from the forums.

There is nothing that I despise more in this world than racism. If people would travel a bit, they would see how similar we all are. Yes, not being able to understand creates some difficulties. But we should be tolerant, treat others as we want to be treated.

Ping blocks are fine, that is indiscriminate and based on performance. But can someone please explain what isn't entirely racist about that comment.

Regarding block/ban for language. I pretty much put racism on the same level as hacking. In fact, in many ways it is worse. I can kind of understand the reasons why someone would hack. But to dislike someone simply because you don't understand what they say, that makes no sense to me.

We don't really have a lot of rules, but this one is very strong. Please respect that rule and take it as an opportunity to learn a bit more about another culture and language.

Thank you, I know many people here do not speak english and that is fine. People are racist all the time just because I am from Canada, it is hard.