Gun nerf made the game more challenging

[orb917@hotmail.com 117]

there is a G SPOT to break the glass with a single shot..... guess you didn't find it until 28 shots.

help me out, where is this g spot then? like i said, before the latest betas i'd put around two rounds into the glass (not aiming anywhere in particular) and it would break reliably. coulda just been getting lucky before i spose, but seems unlikely.

[amaROenuZ 144]

for guys just starting out not having a weapon at all blows donkey ass!

Find a barn. Find every barn. You'll find some hatchets and shotguns, maybe a lee enfield pretty quickly if you just hop from one to another.

[SillySil 295]

14 shots in the back to kill someone is realistic, right...

Who the hell shoots people with secondary anyway? Apart from freshly spawned people who haven't found primary yet. And if you think I'm answering my own question, do you really think that things that make noobstomping even easier are for the good?

And who in the hell shoots zombies and why would you do that?

[Helsing 19]

14 shots in the back to kill someone is realistic, right...

Who the hell shoots people with secondary anyway? Apart from freshly spawned people who haven't found primary yet. And if you think I'm answering my own question, do you really think that things that make noobstomping even easier are for the good?

And who in the hell shoots zombies and why would you do that?

Actually if you shoot someone wearing a ballistic vest with a pistol 14 times you probably won't kill him. He will feel some serious pain and his body will be bruised but he will live.

Oh and the high tech ones used in the army even stop some rifle rounds from killing you so yea, it is realistic. Try again.

As far as the noobstomping is concerned, I don't think you're going to kill a decent player with a pistol anyways. Try an unnerfed lee entfield maybe. Actually, it helps noobs because you can now kill people with an axe if they don't headshot you.

Edited July 27, 2012 by Helsing

[Izziee 128]

hasn't made the game more challenging at all.

I'm still 1-shotting noobs with my As50 yo.

But 1 shotting with a gun that you found through nothing but luck (I found one, and left it since hiding like a girl isn't my thing) and being a bush wookie doesn't make THEM the noobs.

[snafuu (DayZ) 30]

It didn't make the game more challenging to me at all. It prompted me to drop my Bizon and use an M4 SD instead because that does exactly the same damage as it already did. Bizons already weren't sidearms, so them dealing 1/4 as much damage as something else just makes them a bad choice.

Basically I like to pretend that not having a sidearm isn't wasting space because nothing I could use in the slot matters to me anyway.

[thehumandove 344]

Actually if you shoot someone wearing a ballistic vest with a pistol 14 times you probably won't kill him. He will feel some serious pain and his body will be bruised but he will live.

Oh and the high tech ones used in the army even stop some rifle rounds from killing you so yea, it is realistic. Try again.

As far as the noobstomping is concerned, I don't think you're going to kill a decent player with a pistol anyways. Try an unnerfed lee entfield maybe. Actually, it helps noobs because you can now kill people with an axe if they don't headshot you.

Logic. This makes none.

[gobacktogo 29]

Survivors are wearing ballistic armor that protects them from secondaries and some of the weaker primaries. It's actually more realistic this way unless they change how the survivor looks.

I have a friend in the army and he says the ballistic vest that he uses protects him from rifle rounds(such as the AK-47) too. The interesting part is he's a paramedic, not even a big in-combat killer.

thats what they tell him..

anyways, low amount of dmg on weapons makes the game more boring.

[Helsing 19]

Logic. This makes none.

thats what they tell him..

anyways, low amount of dmg on weapons makes the game more boring.

Oh, please tell me more about your long military career and flawless logic.

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[thehumandove 344]

Oh, please tell me more about your long military career and flawless logic.

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What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

Edited July 27, 2012 by Caz

[Helsing 19]

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

Please, tell me more about this "gorilla" warfare you speak about. Do you send gorillas into battle or do you make them fight and place bets. Isn't that illegal?

[thehumandove 344]

Please, tell me more about this "gorilla" warfare you speak about. Do you send gorillas into battle or do you make them fight and place bets. Isn't that illegal?

There are no rules in love and war.

Also I made a killing backing Amy from Congo.

[nucleqrwinter@gmail.com 156]

Please, tell me more about this "gorilla" warfare you speak about. Do you send gorillas into battle or do you make them fight and place bets. Isn't that illegal?

It's a copypasta.

Also I think you missed the part where Female characters don't wear ballistic vests and it still takes 14 bullets to the chest to kill them.

For all you know they picked the male model because he had a cool baseball cap.

[irbab00n 21]

Well, I do agree that there might have been some imbalances with the damage the weapons put out, but I do have an issue with how hard the .45 caliber secondaries have been nerfed. Considering that .45 caliber rounds are larger than 9mm rounds, you would think the larger round would create a larger wound based off of the larger bullet diameter. Do I think it should have remained a 1 hit kill? Probably not. But I do think that using the M1911 should not be even remotely comparable to using a Makarov. Considering that's highly unrealistic in regards to the round size.

It took me 5 rounds from a M1911 to bring down a zed last night. Not happy with that at all.

Edited July 27, 2012 by irbab00n

[Helsing 19]

It's a copypasta.

Also I think you missed the part where Female characters don't wear ballistic vests and it still takes 14 bullets to the chest to kill them.

For all you know they picked the male model because he had a cool baseball cap.

I've never played as female so I don't know. All I can say is that the male model makes more sense now. It also makes sense on zombies because you're supposed to headshot zombies not hit them once in the chest and expect them to die.

To the guy above me: That's strange, it's usually 1-3 shots max, maybe you missed a shot or two? It's definitely kills faster than an M9 when aiming at center mass.

I don't think the difference is too large on body armor since the rounds have a low velocity anyways.

Edited July 27, 2012 by Helsing

[Huuwap 25]

the only opinion i have right now is informed by the fact that it took me around 28 enfield rounds to break the glass of the hospital in elektro today.

You just have to hit it in the right spot. Left-most window (while facing the hospital), aim the shot right at the medical symbol. Never takes more than 2 shots.

[thehumandove 344]

I've never played as female so I don't know. All I can say is that the male model makes more sense now. It also makes sense on zombies because you're supposed to headshot zombies not him them once in the chest and expect them to die.

Except they're living, infected humans. Not zombies. Get your facts straight, Jack

[Recaldy (DayZ) 17]

You just have to hit it in the right spot. Left-most window (while facing the hospital), aim the shot right at the medical symbol. Never takes more than 2 shots.

A can/bottle instantly breaks the glass. Silent too.

[MSGrizzly 10]

Well, I do agree that there might have been some imbalances with the damage the weapons put out, but I do have an issue with how hard the .45 caliber secondaries have been nerfed. Considering that .45 caliber rounds are larger than 9mm rounds, you would think the larger round would create a larger wound based off of the larger bullet diameter. Do I think it should have remained a 1 hit kill? Probably not. But I do think that using the M1911 should not be even remotely comparable to using a Makarov. Considering that's highly unrealistic in regards to the round size.

It took me 5 rounds from a M1911 to bring down a zed last night. Not happy with that at all.

I completely agree with you. The nerf was so bad towards the .45 it actually led to a death of one our group. He was trapped by zombies, (usually no problem with a 1911) but had ended up not killing one zombie, which lead to a hacker tracking him down and killing him. This needs to be fixed. I am in no way saying make it a 1 hit kill again, but at least buff the damage to where a full clip of a .45 doesn't just tickles the damn zed. I am highly disappointed with this nerf. I feel like as a sniper, my secondary for close quarters, or zombie aggro has been reduced down to an airsoft gun. This makes a lot of people unhappy.

Edited July 27, 2012 by MSGrizzly

[Sinoby 39]

I completely agree with you. The nerf was so bad towards the .45 it actually led to a death of one our group. He was trapped by zombies, (usually no problem with a 1911) but had ended up not killing one zombie, which lead to a hacker tracking him down and killing him. This needs to be fixed. I am in no way saying make it a 1 hit kill again, but at least buff the damage to where a full clip of a .45 doesn't just tickles the damn zed. I am highly disappointed with this nerf. I feel like as a sniper, my secondary for close quarters, or zombie aggro has been reduced down to an airsoft gun. This makes a lot of people unhappy.

Do You know "Adapt or die"rule? Your friend didn't adapt - he died. I agree that those changes to arma 2 resulted in some disbalance in DayZ. But Dayz should not be balanced, it should be harsh. Previously 1shooting zed with .45 was too easy, you could have aggroed a whole town and kill them one by one hitting their torso when noobs had to aim for the head for most efficient ammo use.

Saying that, I hoe rocket will be able to rebalance weapons for DayZ, but maybe not to pre values but something inbetween.

[MSGrizzly 10]

Do You know "Adapt or die"rule? Your friend didn't adapt - he died. I agree that those changes to arma 2 resulted in some disbalance in DayZ. But Dayz should not be balanced, it should be harsh. Previously 1shooting zed with .45 was too easy, you could have aggroed a whole town and kill them one by one hitting their torso when noobs had to aim for the head for most efficient ammo use.

Saying that, I hoe rocket will be able to rebalance weapons for DayZ, but maybe not to pre values but something inbetween.

I know. I never said put it back to 1 shot kill, but make it stronger than my little brothers air soft gun. It's wayyyy too weak now.

[Sinoby 39]

I know. I never said put it back to 1 shot kill, but make it stronger than my little brothers air soft gun. It's wayyyy too weak now.

I completely agree that for PvP it just stupid now... But I like it for killing Zeds.

[Zarathustra (DayZ) 87]

Damn it! I leave for a week and now the guns have been nerfed? So we're all wearing top of the range body amour now? Making logging out in combat even easier than it was before?

"Oh, I've been shot."

"Shit, he hit me again. Where is he?"

"Nope can't... damn it stop shooting me!"

"Heh, I've still got 7000 blood... ffs hit again!"

"Right, I'm logging out before a 5th Lee Enfield round hits me."

I am not happy.

Edited July 27, 2012 by Zarathustra

[CommodoreFrank 13]

If they wanted to make zombies harder to kill and encourage headshots, then the way to do it is bring the zombie health up. The number of shots to kill players was fine as it was, and I'm pretty positive this was an unintended change.

[DrFree_man 87]

was kind of suprising at first, i was currently carrying a 1911 when the nerf happened, i joined game and was escorting a couple of my noob friends (just got the game and started to move north) i was like don't worrie about this small town, i will clear everything and we can loot it no problem.... lol i def started to panic when my 4 mags quicklly turned to 1 as i was not going for headshots :) but i def think the nerf is good for its purpose, keep the secondary what it is, a secondary. more emphasis on headshots for zombies is a good thing.and leave the primary for either pvp or a horde if needed