Cheaters 2021

[Parazight 1594]

5 hours ago, MaVerick_GDZ said:

Much questions, but not enough interest on my side to really dive into that. Whatever floats your boat mate.

I can tell you're not interested at all because you've only posted nine times in this thread.

 

8 hours ago, William Sternritter said:

Like the number of people who think when their tent is robbed it must have been cheaters? Because their tent was "well hidden". 

You took that sentence out of a paragraph that was asking for proof of data because he was making claims and speaking for the community.  I don't understand how your response relates to me asking for metrics from Maverick.

[MaVerick_GDZ 148]

7 hours ago, Parazight said:

I can tell you're not interested at all because you've only posted nine times in this thread.

Maybe I just don't care about some random forum dude putting a lot of words in my mouth.

[Parazight 1594]

6 hours ago, MaVerick_GDZ said:

Maybe I just don't care about some random forum dude putting a lot of words in my mouth.

I get it.  You call out some 'random forum dude' (Ivw06) and demand proof of the claims he makes which is impossible to measure.  Then you make some wild claims stating exactly how all the community feels, you state that admins don't ever cheat, and you accuse Ivw06 of being on meth.  I tell you to provide proof, in the same vein as what you did to him and suddenly you're 'not interested'.   

I'm going to call you out every single time if you're going to keep attacking other forum users instead of what they say. 

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If you accuse someone of something, the least you can do is provide proof. If you can't do that, you are just spouting out bullshit

Try taking your own advice.  

 

[William Sternritter 441]

15 hours ago, Parazight said:

You took that sentence out of a paragraph that was asking for proof of data because he was making claims and speaking for the community.  I don't understand how your response relates to me asking for metrics from Maverick.

It is a direct response to your question, how is the community paranoid? By reading through this forum alone, I can see a lot of claims about cheating for perfectly normal situations like, my tent/base was raided or I got shot out in the open field. I have seen videos of people cheating and cheating does exist, but a lot of the claims seem like people just exclaim "cheater!" as soon as something happens that they don't like. Paranoia is perhaps not the correct term but it is good enough to describe the state of the community. 

[MaVerick_GDZ 148]

3 hours ago, Parazight said:

Try taking your own advice.  

What's wrong with you? I never said that there are no cheating admins. Leave me alone already

[DagiWeh 34]

4 hours ago, Parazight said:

I get it.  You call out some 'random forum dude' (Ivw06) and demand proof of the claims he makes which is impossible to measure

Nah, dude. You obviously don't get it. 

Ivw06 was very specifically accusing several community servers by name of having cheating admins. Maverick asked him to provide proof that these exact server admins were cheating or allowing cheating on their servers. Many (not all!) admins are often accused wrongly of this exact same thing. So asking for proof is absolutely reasonable. Ivw06'S "go to the server and check for yourself" doesn't cut it. Why would we do that? We do not p lay on these servers and it's a waste of our time. If he really wanted to warn other people about these servers, then he could just post a video (use shadow play or whatever). Cheating or cheating admins are not "impossible to measure" as you pointed out. If he does not have a video (some form of proof) then its just bad-mouthing, nothing more.

No one in this thread has denied the existence of cheaters, neither on public nor on private servers. What people have an issue with is an overly generalized accusation that ALL admins are cheaters / condone cheating and that one person is talking trash about other server admins without providing proof of their alleged misdeeds.

I mean, I could just as easily accuse you of breaking into my home. Where is my proof, you ask? Well, a lot of people break into houses and that's a fact, ask literally anyone. So obviously you must be doing the same and are guilty of breaking into my home. My word should simply be enough.
Sounds a bit silly, don't you think?

Edited June 18, 2021 by DagiWeh

[Parazight 1594]

5 hours ago, DagiWeh said:

then he could just post a video (use shadow play or whatever).

Would you say that all cheating is provable by video? You think videos are trustworthy? 

They don't give you the full picture and can be edited.   The burden of proof is not on the average player.  Providing proof via video is an unreasonable request.   Cyber cheats are everywhere and difficult to deal with.  So much so that it was a major discussion point just yesterday between Biden and Putin!  Also, you quoted me out of context.

5 hours ago, DagiWeh said:

What people have an issue with is an overly generalized accusation that ALL admins are cheaters / condone cheating

Sorry, I must have missed the post where someone said ALL admins are cheaters.  Maverick basically claimed that admins could not be cheaters and that is crap.  I do not believe that all admins are cheaters.   It's not reasonable to think that.  That's not what I said at all.

 

5 hours ago, DagiWeh said:

I mean, I could just as easily accuse you of breaking into my home. Where is my proof, you ask? Well, a lot of people break into houses and that's a fact, ask literally anyone. So obviously you must be doing the same and are guilty of breaking into my home. My word should simply be enough.
Sounds a bit silly, don't you think?

Completely irrelevant and nonsensical. 

 

When are you going to address the personal attacks coming from the people you're defending?  Because that's what the post you quoted me  was all about.

Edited June 18, 2021 by Parazight

[DagiWeh 34]

6 hours ago, Parazight said:

The burden of proof is not on the average player.

When someone badmouths someone by name they had better have proof. 

I agree with you, videos do by no means give the full picture, but they can at least give you an idea of something fishy gong on. They are a first step in legitimizing accusation. Especially if it is like Ivw06 says and he got shot through walls. That is actually pretty straight forward to prove. I have seen enough of these kinds of proof videos in my time as server admin. 
Official servers are a completely different matter, Bohemia should indeed keep better watch. And they could. The game logs a lot of data and there are means to log even more movements / actions etc. I guess they simply have no interest in investing the manpower / money. Be that as it may, this is not about official servers but private ones being bad-mouthed without proof.

 

Also, this is not about you claiming all admins are cheaters. It is about Ivw06 making that accusation. You just came late to the party and jumped on his train, so to speak and keep defending him. So it's really not against you, it's against him.

On 5/23/2021 at 4:56 PM, lvw06 said:

This game is full of cheaters whether you like it or not, the NO admins do not do their job and are therefore accomplices, no need to provide evidence for such evidence! 

Ivw06 does not specify which admins, he generalizes that "no admins do their jobs".

He then goes on to accuse everybody disagreeing with him of being cheaters themselves (he does this several times on the first page alone). People take offence at that, and justly so. Ivw06 also starts calling people "jerks".
Furthermore, he asks rather irrationally that Maverick should prove to him that the admins did not cheat. Which in itself is a bit of a paradox, as you cannot prove a negative. That's like asking me to prove I haven't murdered anyone. How the hell am I supposed to do that when what makes me a non-murderer is exactly the absence of proof.

To summarize, after making irrational demands, repeatedly accusing everyone in this thread who speaks against him of being a cheater and after insulting another person, Maverick asks Ivw06 if he has overindulged on some substances. I find that a very good question indeed. Because Ivw06's behaviour seems really odd. Might just be a personal trait of his or might not be...we will never know.

As you find my last statement a bit puzzling, I would also like to explain to you what an analogy is. I took Ivw06's nonsensical line of argument and transferred it to another everyday example. In this particular case "breaking and entering". As such, my statement is meant to be nonsensical because I am simply mimicking Ivw06. You realized the flaw in "my" argument due to the simplified example I provided. Very good. So now you should very easily be able to discover the flaws in Ivw06's logic by yourself.

And to your last point: I will address the slights Maverick presented against Ivw06 when you address the slights against everyone else in this thread presented by Ivw06. Because that's where it all started. Perhaps you can now realize that Ivw06 is not worth your time or your effort. His conduct as well as his line of argument are rather poor.

 

[MaVerick_GDZ 148]

7 hours ago, Parazight said:

Maverick basically claimed that admins could not be cheaters and that is crap.

You know what's great about being a GermanDayZ admin? The lovely collegues. May I introduce you to DagiWeh, teammember of the admin staff and specialist for hunting cheaters and glitchers. She is very passionate about her hobby, as you will sooner or later notice, but her arguments are conclusive in almost all cases. As a team we like to stand together, especially when someone is trying to attack our teammembers with nonsense.

 

I'll leave you two alone for now, k?

Edited June 18, 2021 by MaVerick_GDZ

[drgullen 593]

1 hour ago, DagiWeh said:

When someone badmouths someone by name they had better have proof. 

I think this is where the disconnect begins between admins and players.

As I said earlier in this thread, I had my own server earlier this year, so I was its owner and solo admin.  If a player on my server came to me and said "so-and-so did such-n-such" my immediate response would not be "Oh yeah? Prove it!"

You can make whatever argument you like, but at the end of the day, it's not up to the players to provide proof of cheating, it's up to the owners and admins to investigate and prevent it.

[lvw06 36]

1 hour ago, DagiWeh said:

When someone badmouths someone by name they had better have proof. 

I agree with you, videos do by no means give the full picture, but they can at least give you an idea of something fishy gong on. They are a first step in legitimizing accusation. Especially if it is like Ivw06 says and he got shot through walls. That is actually pretty straight forward to prove. I have seen enough of these kinds of proof videos in my time as server admin. 
Official servers are a completely different matter, Bohemia should indeed keep better watch. And they could. The game logs a lot of data and there are means to log even more movements / actions etc. I guess they simply have no interest in investing the manpower / money. Be that as it may, this is not about official servers but private ones being bad-mouthed without proof.

 

Also, this is not about you claiming all admins are cheaters. It is about Ivw06 making that accusation. You just came late to the party and jumped on his train, so to speak and keep defending him. So it's really not against you, it's against him.

Ivw06 does not specify which admins, he generalizes that "no admins do their jobs".

He then goes on to accuse everybody disagreeing with him of being cheaters themselves (he does this several times on the first page alone). People take offence at that, and justly so. Ivw06 also starts calling people "jerks".
Furthermore, he asks rather irrationally that Maverick should prove to him that the admins did not cheat. Which in itself is a bit of a paradox, as you cannot prove a negative. That's like asking me to prove I haven't murdered anyone. How the hell am I supposed to do that when what makes me a non-murderer is exactly the absence of proof.

To summarize, after making irrational demands, repeatedly accusing everyone in this thread who speaks against him of being a cheater and after insulting another person, Maverick asks Ivw06 if he has overindulged on some substances. I find that a very good question indeed. Because Ivw06's behaviour seems really odd. Might just be a personal trait of his or might not be...we will never know.

As you find my last statement a bit puzzling, I would also like to explain to you what an analogy is. I took Ivw06's nonsensical line of argument and transferred it to another everyday example. In this particular case "breaking and entering". As such, my statement is meant to be nonsensical because I am simply mimicking Ivw06. You realized the flaw in "my" argument due to the simplified example I provided. Very good. So now you should very easily be able to discover the flaws in Ivw06's logic by yourself.

And to your last point: I will address the slights Maverick presented against Ivw06 when you address the slights against everyone else in this thread presented by Ivw06. Because that's where it all started. Perhaps you can now realize that Ivw06 is not worth your time or your effort. His conduct as well as his line of argument are rather poor.

 

So we will have to learn to read or at least to read better! The admins accomplices yes I repeat, they exist, and they are those and only those who manage the servers that I mentioned above in one of my first posts. I'm not going to rewrite them again just go back to the beginning of the topic and read. When a server administrator does not do his job as an administrator properly on cheating issues of which he is aware, yes it is a fault! And he becomes an accomplice since he accepts the crime and does not do what is necessary to eradicate the source of the crime. Right from the start of this topic you've been basically letting off steam on me (who usually denounces cheating) rather than trying to shake things up and go my way and that ultimately benefits us all. You preferred to tap on the victims of the cheat rather than on the cheat itself to summarize! And those who reacted against me rather than against cheating, did so because they are server administrators and they felt targeted. I play on GermanDayz! I am on your server, yes! Have I criticized YOUR management? NO ! I haven't had a complaint about your server yet and haven't seen any cheaters there yet. (Maybe because there aren't a lot of players on it? Cheaters tend to go on heavily populated servers). But don't make your case a generality! What happens at home does not go so well elsewhere. Check out Karmakrew for example! It is edifying ... And to finish since we continue to debate on the proofs that should be provided, I believe that those who asked for it did not have to ask me. How are they qualified to judge better than me what is cheating or not? However, I had explained very clearly the scene that we were 2 to have lived, it was clear enough to realize that yes, there is indeed a cheating problem. I have enough experience on DayZ and I don't need my words to be validated or not. I know how to recognize a normal death or a death coming from a cheater. Finally, be aware that 90% of players on any game do not register their game. So again, asking for proof ... It makes me laugh!

[DagiWeh 34]

7 hours ago, lvw06 said:

and haven't seen any cheaters there yet

Indeed you do not see many cheaters on our servers, because we take cheater reports seriously and have banned over 2000 Players since 2012. And with every report we ask for several things: details on who, where and when ( so we can check the logs accordingly) and screenshots or a video because the logs alone are not always conclusive either. As admins of GDZ we do have access to the logs and can verify ourselves whether a cheater report is accurate.

So @drgullen you are absolutely right, if you are the admin of this server you can do a lot yourself to check whether an accusation is true or false.

But this is not the case here, we only have Ivw06's word that so and so is actively condoning cheating on their server. And that is the problem. Him "feeling" like it was cheating is no proof either. As many people here have already tried to communicate.

So yes, as a server admin I do have a problem with people publicly badmouthing other servers without proof. It's bad form. There are a lot of paranoid crybabies out there who love to talk trash about admins. And we, the general public, have no way of knowing if Ivw06 is an actual cool dude who really witnessed cheating or if he is one of those crybabies. That's due to the glorious anonymity of the internet. Therefore, for him (and his accusations) to be taken seriously, he needs some form of proof.

[Parazight 1594]

7 hours ago, DagiWeh said:

When someone badmouths someone by name they had better have proof.

Okay, I'm going to try and explain n a simple way what actually happened in this thread to accommodate for your lack of comprehension here.  I need to paraphraze this before my pizza is done.  Here we go.

 

OP:  "Hey, cheaters are bad.  Plz fix!!1!!1"

"Try private servers dude!!"

Ivw06:  "Devs don't do anything about cheaters.  Cheaters are everywhere!  admins too (read: are complicit)"

Maverick: "NO WAI! admins don't cheat! I'm an admin! I demand proof"

Other people:  "Yea, we have to see proof !"

Ivw06: "OMG. WTF this is hella cra-cra!  How can you not see the cheats! Asking for proof is mind boggling!  The only reason not to see what is obvious to all is because you cheat!!" (not the best tactical move in a debate, tbh)

(this is where it goes off of the rails and people actually think he's accusing people, but he's not.  Ivw06 explains in a bit

Other people:  "You're on drugs.  We demand proof.  You must be bad"

Ivw06: (obviously frustrated because no one understands him...here lay the important quotes that really explain what he is saying.  pay attention) 

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"you create a ticket on the server discord for it to be reviewed and the only response you get is a ban on discord, it's called complicity on the part of the admins!"

 "admins do not do their job and are therefore accomplices"

"when an admin doesn't do what is necessary to eradicate the large amount of cheaters on his server and turns a blind eye to what's going on, it's called complicity"

 

 

Maverick: "dude, put down the meth"

Ivw06: " "the reality is much dirtier and you refuse to admit it! One wonders why...."

(more insults and not understanding)

ImpulZ speaks.  (finally, a voice of reason. someone in the thread that understands what Ivw06 is trying to say) "Hacking is everywhere.  There's a fucking electronic pandemic going on and the whole world has to deal with this bullshit."

SwissArmy1984:  "(some solid advice about joining protected servers)"  (a debate that deserves its own post)

And this is where I stop explaining and when I enter the conversation.

Later on, I'm supposed to be impressed because Maverick's friend, from germany,  who he plays games with, and is really proud of, starts talking.

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When someone badmouths someone by name they had better have proof. 

This is the only quote I'm going to put in this post although there are many examples of straight-up wrong, uninformed, and absurd statements and opinions made by Dagiweh.

 

Ivw06 responded to this thread saying that if you're not proactive in fighting cheaters then you're actively complicit.  This is what people fail to understand.  He's completely flabbergasted by the fact that you don't see how widespread cheating is.  He tries to explain it again and again.  His audience doesn't understand what he's trying to say.  He's not actually pointing out people.  That's not the point he's making.  Note that he doesn't actually name the admins, tho I bet he could!  Also, he doesn't actually attack anyone, only what they say.  He's completely shocked that people don't see his point of view and wonders aloud  "why is this happening?  Are you guys cheaters, or something?"  Again, not a great tactical move in a forum saying this, but w/e.  

The thing is.  He's right about cheaters being totally widespread and is within his right to believe  that admins are complicit.  Because he's not attacking people, accusing them of doing meth, or sucking at life.  He might be wrong, sure.  "If you're not part of the solution then you're part of the problem." is what he's saying.  Which is a huge other debate.    He's absolutely wrong in assuming that Bohemia or BattleEye can stop cyber cheats, unfortunately.  But that does not warrant assaulting him with personal attacks.

Asking for proof is 100% nonsense when it comes online criminal activity.  All you have to do is read the news.  Read what ImpulZ wrote earlier!  For example, the  United States of America has a fairly substantial amount of funds to play with, okay?  Just 2 days ago, President Biden asked Vladimir Putin to "please don't hack these 16 institutions"  WTF!  The US government has major issues fighting cyber criminals!  The time for proof is over.  Colonial Oil just paid 5 million dollars ransom to cyber-criminals.  These are not easily solved issues.  This isn't like breaking into someone's house.  Not even close.  Cyber criminal activity is a plague everywhere.  The time for proof is over!  It's true!  Huge governmental superpowers have big problems with 'cheaters'.  It's literally everywhere!   Ivw06 shouldn't expect BI to solve these problems easily.  It's a problem widespread, obvious, and way beyond the scope of just BI.  

Just because multiple people don't understand what he's saying (or real world facts, apparently) doesn't mean he's acting irrationally.

[William Sternritter 441]

Well, if we're going down this general route of, cheating exists and therefore any claim of cheating is valid, I'll just say that in my years of playing Dayz since 0.62 I have never seen anyone cheating ever. Playing on vanilla 1PP official servers only, until a few weeks ago.

Proving part for me is actually very simple. Since most of the time I play with a friend and we've been through plenty of encounters, if anyone was cheating we'd both be dead the same way. That never happened. In fact, a lot of the times only one of us died, because the shooter was not aware there are two of us.

But we did raid a lot of "well hidden" tents and bases ... I guess we're the cheaters then.

Shrug 

So this "argument" can easily go both ways and now what? You either got proof, or some dedicated admin can help you dig it. Otherwise, in my experience, it's just talk.

[DagiWeh 34]

1 hour ago, Parazight said:

He's not actually pointing out people.

Oh, isn't he? Okay, then lets call them entities, if we wanna start nitpicking. 

On 5/22/2021 at 7:39 PM, lvw06 said:

My teammate and I have been victims of it again in recent days. Officially and on private servers such as: Karmakrew, Spaggies EU, WFR RU Vanilla EU (the worst of all that one ...) As well as DayOne Livonia.

He damages the reputation of these servers without proof.

What Ivw06 could have done is to relativise his statement after people started criticizing.
Like so, for example: "Okay, I sadly do not have proof against these specific servers, only my word. But cheating in general is a big problem, and even admins are sometimes in on it." Bam. End of story. Literally no point of contention whatsoever. Everyone on here would have heartily agreed with him. But he didn't. I'm all for educating people and many others have tried to explain to him where he went wrong. When reading his posts I do not think he actually understands why people are criticizing him. Which is a shame.

When exactly did this go from "cheaters in DayZ are bad" to "evil cyber criminals destroy the world we live in!"? I mean, sure you are right, cyber criminality is a big worldwide problem. No one disputed that claim. But this, again, is not the point of contention. It's the accusation without proof people objected to.

1 hour ago, Parazight said:

Asking for proof is 100% nonsense when it comes online criminal activity. 

I think we are both talking of different things when we speak about "proof". From your statement I take it that you mean "proof of who did it". Of course, it is extremely difficult to find the people behind online crimes. What I mean in this context is "proof that anything untoward happened at all". 

Well, I think this is enough from my part, as we are going in circles again and again. Perhaps @Ivw06 can take away at least some tiny bit of input on how to better structure arguments in the future, that would be to his own benefit.

Also, apologies to the guy who started this thread. Cheating is bad, especially on public servers, we all wish something more could be done than what BattlEye currently offers. But that's wishful thinking only. It's up to the private server owners to sort out the mess. There are some rotten eggs among us. However, there is one DayZ server for every 3 players out there, so it should be fairly easy to find alternative servers if you are unhappy with the one you currently play on.

Bye my lovelies. The weather outside is beautiful and I would much rather sit by the pool and work on my tan.

Edited June 19, 2021 by DagiWeh

[alanhobb 0]

13 hours ago, drgullen said:

I think this is where the disconnect begins between admins and players.

As I said earlier in this thread, I had my own server earlier this year, so I was its owner and solo admin.  If a player on my server came to me and said "so-and-so did such-n-such" my immediate response would not be "Oh yeah? Prove it!"

You can make whatever argument you like, but at the end of the day, it's not up to the players to provide proof of cheating, it's up to the owners and admins to investigate and prevent it.

Totally agree!

[Tonyeh 444]

5 hours ago, William Sternritter said:

Well, if we're going down this general route of, cheating exists and therefore any claim of cheating is valid, I'll just say that in my years of playing Dayz since 0.62 I have never seen anyone cheating ever. Playing on vanilla 1PP official servers only, until a few weeks ago.

Proving part for me is actually very simple. Since most of the time I play with a friend and we've been through plenty of encounters, if anyone was cheating we'd both be dead the same way. That never happened. In fact, a lot of the times only one of us died, because the shooter was not aware there are two of us.

But we did raid a lot of "well hidden" tents and bases ... I guess we're the cheaters then.

Shrug 

So this "argument" can easily go both ways and now what? You either got proof, or some dedicated admin can help you dig it. Otherwise, in my experience, it's just talk.

I've been playing the game since before .62 and I haven't seen any evidence of cheating either on any server that I've been on. And I play mostly on official. That's not to say there aren't any cheaters. I've seen YouTube vids showing them. But for something that's supposed to be so prevalent in the game, I have yet to see an incident where I can say with absolute honesty that cheating has occurred.

Now, I've been shot at distances, shot through buildings, one shotted with remarkable accuracy even after apparently dumping mags into the other player, I've had my loot found no matter what I've done with it even on low traffic areas on low pop servers. But none of that is PROOF of cheating. There could have been cheating, but as a dead player or someone who logs in to find their gear gone I can't verify that. So you just move on.

I'd wager that a LOT of the claims of cheating are just hot air by people that got whacked in a way they didn't understand. So the first thing to do is claim cheating out of frustration. I've heard people suggest that one way to stop that would be to have the camera zoom to the player that killed you. But the problem there is that you can just respawn and make a beeline to where that player was to get revenge. This would be especially easy to do on small deathmatch maps like Esseker.

Although that would put a stop to these sniper dickheads camping in spots and just shooting players all day.

At the end of the day there'll probably be no real way to completely eliminate cheating out of any online game, especially DayZ. There will always be exploits that people can employ to get an edge. The bigger question is what do they get out of it themselves? There's only a limited amount of "enjoyment" that can come from cheating in a game like this.

Edited June 19, 2021 by Tonyeh

[Jefrey1994 0]

Well guys i had a same problem on Dayz....Server Dayz DE Livonia 3932 is like Cheating sever in Hardcore way ..... Some innocent people play normally but i happens too many times to me and my brother and his friend Sooo there is a question would anyone do somethink about this ??? Kinda epic game but it losing a magic when someone Cheating vs ur as*

Admins From DayZ .... Bohemia Interactive  also Battleeye ignoring problems ..... So if u want to play Dayz better count with Cheaters around .......

[General Zod 1114]

I was playing with my friends last night, three of us in a room with closed door, we were all wearing pristine plate carriers and ballistic helmets, we all died within 5 seconds without hearing a single shot fired. Since you cannot get killed with one shot with all that protective gear on you I don't think we were killed fairly. 

[DayzDayzFanboy 1280]

2 hours ago, General Zod said:

I was playing with my friends last night, three of us in a room with closed door, we were all wearing pristine plate carriers and ballistic helmets, we all died within 5 seconds without hearing a single shot fired. Since you cannot get killed with one shot with all that protective gear on you I don't think we were killed fairly. 

What's the damage on a grenade? 

[General Zod 1114]

4 hours ago, DayzDayzFanboy said:

What's the damage on a grenade? 

We didn't die in one go, we died one at the time so it wasn't a grenade and we covered the window so we would at least see the guy throwing it given how terrible throwing is in this game. I have nearly 700 hours in this game, most of which is pvp and after all this time I'm not ashamed to admit when someone hands my ass to me, when I win I win, when I lose I lose, but you can't kill 3 fully protected players one at a time in 5 seconds. 

Edited November 9, 2021 by General Zod

[lvw06 36]

On 11/9/2021 at 9:15 PM, General Zod said:

We didn't die in one go, we died one at the time so it wasn't a grenade and we covered the window so we would at least see the guy throwing it given how terrible throwing is in this game. I have nearly 700 hours in this game, most of which is pvp and after all this time I'm not ashamed to admit when someone hands my ass to me, when I win I win, when I lose I lose, but you can't kill 3 fully protected players one at a time in 5 seconds. 

I told you in another topic, don't try to talk about cheats on this forum, it's a topic that bothers a lot of people and bad faith is the norm here ... 'to see the stupid response you received right after your post, it's pathetic. Go through the subject you will see that I too tried to explain the problem but that some do everything to make believe that the cheat does not exist while it is massive on this game. They protect cheating friends? Are they cheaters themselves? Strange behavior on their part concerning a problem that some of us denounce. To conclude, do not seek help here concerning the cheat, it is lost cause.

Edited November 11, 2021 by lvw06

[Parazight 1594]

3 hours ago, lvw06 said:

I told you in another topic, don't try to talk about cheats on this forum, it's a topic that bothers a lot of people and bad faith is the norm here ... 'to see the stupid response you received right after your post, it's pathetic. Go through the subject you will see that I too tried to explain the problem but that some do everything to make believe that the cheat does not exist while it is massive on this game.

Yea.  You tried to explain your point of view but you did a shit job of it.  Accusing people of being cheaters because they disagreed and/or didn't understand you is terrible way to address the problem you have.  

And again.  the cheating in video games stems from an issue that is way beyond the scope of BI.   How is Bohemia Interactive going to hold these cheaters accountable?  Invade China?  The technology doesn't exist to solve these problems.

[lvw06 36]

2 hours ago, Parazight said:

Yea.  You tried to explain your point of view but you did a shit job of it.  Accusing people of being cheaters because they disagreed and/or didn't understand you is terrible way to address the problem you have.  

And again.  the cheating in video games stems from an issue that is way beyond the scope of BI.   How is Bohemia Interactive going to hold these cheaters accountable?  Invade China?  The technology doesn't exist to solve these problems.

Yes I admit that I did it badly, probably because of the anger. Besides, you were the only one to have understood what I wanted to say at that time on the subject of the cheat and to have in a way taken my defense against the "fanboys" of Dayz. In any case, this subject of cheating is really taboo here.

[DayzDayzFanboy 1280]

9 hours ago, lvw06 said:

Yes I admit that I did it badly, probably because of the anger. Besides, you were the only one to have understood what I wanted to say at that time on the subject of the cheat and to have in a way taken my defense against the "fanboys" of Dayz. In any case, this subject of cheating is really taboo here.

I don't think anyone is doubting cheating exists on pc. Nobody is 'fanboying'. Some of us asked if there is another possible explanation as there is also a trend in video games generally, to blame lag, cheaters, etc when things go south, when sometimes there is also another explanation. Calling people names is really pretty childish, and whilst I expect it on here, it doesn't do anything to bolster your position or opinion. 

Edited November 12, 2021 by DayzDayzFanboy