Food Poisoning? What?

[therandomredstone 432]

So currently, you can eat worms but risk the chance of getting food poisoning, while in real life, worms are packed with protein and would be a very efficient food source.

 

 

I only ask for worms to give more "energy" and not have the chance of making you sick.

Edited June 8, 2015 by therandomredstone

[Whyherro123 2283]

Some (read: many) of the survival mechanics included by the devs make me wonder. As someone skilled in wilderness survival, they either 1) don't make sense, and/or 2) Are 100% incorrect

 

Take, for example, worms. Worms, as you describe, are perfectly safe to eat. Full of protein (more than most insects, which in and of themselves are better than most "meat" we recognize as such), and gatherable quite easily. I, and most survival guides, recommend that you allow them to "purge themselves" before eating, but this is because they effectively store dirt and such in their digestive tracts, and this junk can irritate your insides, but they aren't poisonous. At least, common earthworms aren't, which are the ones we find in-game.

 

Also, human beings can totally eat raw meat. The reason most people get sick when they eat undercooked meat is not (usually) due to micro-organisms or food-poisoning, but merely the body reacting to an unfamiliar food. The same thing happens when you eat something radically different from your usual diet (food from a different culture, heavily spiced food vs bland, or even a vegetarian eating meat). The body essentially goes "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS!? :o " and tries to get rid of it. Over time, as your body "gets used" to the new food, you can eat it with no problem

[therandomredstone 432]

Some (read: many) of the survival mechanics included by the devs make me wonder. As someone skilled in wilderness survival, they either 1) don't make sense, and/or 2) Are 100% incorrect

 

Take, for example, worms. Worms, as you describe, are perfectly safe to eat. Full of protein (more than most insects, which in and of themselves are better than most "meat" we recognize as such), and gatherable quite easily. I, and most survival guides, recommend that you allow them to "purge themselves" before eating, but this is because they effectively store dirt and such in their digestive tracts, and this junk can irritate your insides, but they aren't poisonous. At least, common earthworms aren't, which are the ones we find in-game.

 

Also, human beings can totally eat raw meat. The reason most people get sick when they eat undercooked meat is not (usually) due to micro-organisms or food-poisoning, but merely the body reacting to an unfamiliar food. The same thing happens when you eat something radically different from your usual diet (food from a different culture, heavily spiced food vs bland, or even a vegetarian eating meat). The body essentially goes "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS!? :o " and tries to get rid of it. Over time, as your body "gets used" to the new food, you can eat it with no problem

 

Bam. Another suggestion.

Over time you should become used to things like raw meat.

 

Over a long period of time, that is.

[Baker. 1484]

How one could get sick from freshly cut raw beef, baffles me. Same as getting sick from well water. At least in the mod they put rotten corpses around infected water sources. I can only hope these are used as placeholders to a more refined system later on. Not that it matters much. The brand is getting fairly tarnished these days anyways. I was looking at the steam charts and its not super promising. People might say "oh they'll come back after its fixed", but that's not typically how that kind of thing works. One need only look to brands like blackberry and sega.

 

But fingers crossed it all works out in the end. I love me some dayzmod and was really rooting for its offspring.

[Syphonz 64]

Im thinking MAYBE some of the devs decisions might be due to the game engine. Maybe it cant handle certain things? Im not sure, im not the devs, i dont know what the specs are. Although, i do agree on your point.

[Baker. 1484]

Im thinking MAYBE some of the devs decisions might be due to the game engine. Maybe it cant handle certain things? Im not sure, im not the devs, i dont know what the specs are. Although, i do agree on your point.

In a sense I think you are correct. Must be something along the lines of calling the same array for all uncooked items via BIS_fnc_selectRandom. There are people who know more about this than me but if this is the case I don't see why they couldn't exclude worms from said function. HOWEVER, it doesn't appear as though there is currently any way to differentiate between fresh and old meat. cut beef or worms that have been in your rucksack for a few weeks surely would make you sick. 

 

What I would like to see if a system that allows for food spoilage. 

 

Fresh meat = Fine to eat

 

Old Meat = Gradual increasing chance of food poisoning

 

Spoiled Meat = Food poisoning. 

 

But that's just this poor Cape Bretoners opinion and, like asshole's, everyone has one.

Edited June 8, 2015 by B@ker

[ebrim 998]

Yeah, the earthworms thing always seemed a bit odd to me. At least let us cook them. Currently they don't even give that much energy. I don't mind popping a charcoal tab after eating them if I at least get some calories but it's barely anything. :(

[Sleeves 98]

Eating raw meat and being perfectly fine, as some of you are suggesting, is kind of... new. Honestly, it is the stupidest thing in the world.

To think that the most you can get is a little vomiting is out right retarded. Do you have any idea how many diseases can thrive in a slice of raw or undercooked meat? And that shit does not just "stop" if you munch on beans and charcoal.

[ebrim 998]

Eating raw meat and being perfectly fine, as some of you are suggesting, is kind of... new. Honestly, it is the stupidest thing in the world.

To think that the most you can get is a little vomiting is out right retarded. Do you have any idea how many diseases can thrive in a slice of raw or undercooked meat? And that shit does not just "stop" if you munch on beans and charcoal.

 

So this is the other extreme.

 

Honestly I think an authenticity compromise could be made if eating raw meat had a low chance of disease transmission (not be perfectly fine). Meat should age over time and become less and less safe to eat. I would guess this is what the devs have in mind too.

[Whyherro123 2283]

Eating raw meat and being perfectly fine, as some of you are suggesting, is kind of... new. Honestly, it is the stupidest thing in the world.

To think that the most you can get is a little vomiting is out right retarded. Do you have any idea how many diseases can thrive in a slice of raw or undercooked meat? And that shit does not just "stop" if you munch on beans and charcoal.

Eat raw meat, lean (meaning all fat removed) and fresh from the carcass, and there will be little (note that I didn't say none) bacterial contamination.

 

Hell, you can, and many hunters do (and not just in "primitive" societies, either), eat "organ meats" (the liver, the kidneys, etc.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offal)as well as the bone marrow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_marrow_%28food%29) raw, in the field. It is actually really tasty. 

 

If anything, the above is what you should be eating off an animal, instead of the lean muscle meat. Organ meats and marrow are high in fat, in nutrients, everything you need to survive, whereas "lean" meat is not.

 

Eat raw meat of a carcass that has been sitting there, or raw meat that has been "out and about" for a few days? Yeah, you are likely to get sick.

 

Eat some meat raw from a nice, freshly-killed animal? Tasty, healthy goodness.

 

The "food value" (calories, fat, nutrients, etc) of all food is degraded via heat. The more you cook food, the less you get out of it. I boil all my foods and drink the resulting broth, in order to get as much "value" from the food as possible.

 

In reality, roasting food over a fire, or frying it in a pan is really wasteful. Boil everything, eat everything and drink all the broth, and eat anything raw you can, with the exception of starches.

Edited June 8, 2015 by Whyherro123

[Baker. 1484]

Eating raw meat and being perfectly fine, as some of you are suggesting, is kind of... new. Honestly, it is the stupidest thing in the world.

To think that the most you can get is a little vomiting is out right retarded. Do you have any idea how many diseases can thrive in a slice of raw or undercooked meat? And that shit does not just "stop" if you munch on beans and charcoal.

Fresh meat from a fresh kill wont get you sick my friend. Its science.

 

See Below.

 

Eat raw meat, lean (meaning all fat removed) and fresh from the carcass, and there will be little (note that I didn't say none) bacterial contamination.

 

Hell, you can, and many hunters do (and not just in "primitive" societies, either), eat "organ meats" (the liver, the kidneys, etc.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offal)as well as the bone marrow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_marrow_%28food%29) raw, in the field. It is actually really tasty. 

 

If anything, the above is what you should be eating off an animal, instead of the lean muscle meat. Organ meats and marrow are high in fat, in nutrients, everything you need to survive, whereas "lean" meat is not.

 

Eat raw meat of a carcass that has been sitting there, or raw meat that has been "out and about" for a few days? Yeah, you are likely to get sick.

 

Eat some meat raw from a nice, freshly-killed animal? Tasty, healthy goodness.

 

The "food value" (calories, fat, nutrients, etc) of all food is degraded via heat. The more you cook food, the less you get out of it. I boil all my foods and drink the resulting broth, in order to get as much "value" from the food as possible.

 

In reality, roasting food over a fire, or frying it in a pan is really wasteful. Boil everything, eat everything and drink all the broth, and eat anything raw you can, with the exception of starches.

[Sleeves 98]

I am sorry, but that is outright false. It is not just the bacteria that floats around and grows on the meat. Parasites can and do lay eggs in cows and pigs, called cyst. You eat that meat and that cyst will hatch and go through its maturing phase in your body.

Congratulations, you munched on some raw cow and got a tape worm.

[Sleeves 98]

Wait, holy shit, am I arguing with someone over eating raw meat? Are you this stupid? How can you actually believe that? It just baffles me, I am sorry.

[Whyherro123 2283]

Sorry, how much survival experience do you have, again? All of the survival guides I have in front of me state that: yes, while the chance remains for you to get infected via a parasite or some microorganism if you eat raw meat, you can eat meat raw if you be careful, stick to lean meat, cut it thin, and eat only freshly-killed animals. Risk vs reward and all that.

 

And, yeah, no shit, animals can have parasites. But those parasites aren't going to make you vomit up the meat.

 

Can you eat meat raw? Yes. Should you? Probably not. Never said you should, just said it was possible. Not the "guaranteed food poisoning" we have in Day Z.

Edited June 9, 2015 by Whyherro123