xalienax 621 Posted June 3, 2015 Amen, Brudda. I'm also neutral. There is no divide here. I enjoy both types of servers. Do I know people can peek and then KOS me? Of course! I just accept it as part of the package and move on. 1pp fanatics and 3pp noobs should too. Perhaps the people that complain about peeking should learn to let go of their gear. Don't let death bother you and you wont be so annoyed by getting killed this way.+1 I don't deny the very real impact the current implementation Of 3pp has on game play. i don't think anyone rational does. but the argumentative and divisive attitudes don't help. Instead, we should be discussing and putting constant pressure on the devs for practical solutions that result in a better single game, instead of bickering and dividing into 2 'camps'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chaingunfighter 917 Posted June 3, 2015 This kind of discussion really is completely pointless at this time, because not only has the issue transcended (in most cases) the problems with wall peeking and subsequent 1PP-only emptiness to two crowds of people fighting tooth and nail for their side (mainly 1PP-only fans who vehemently oppose any compromise that allows 3PP to remain in the game, and 3PP fans who are very poor at arguing for their points and will say basically anything to defend it and perpetuate the argument further), but also simply because the issue has been decided on. We know for a fact that the 3rd person perspective will not be removed from the game entirely but instead reworked to be less exploitable. That doesn't solve every problem by any means but to keep beating the dead horse on something long decided is only a waste of time for those involved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xalienax 621 Posted June 3, 2015 This kind of discussion really is completely pointless at this time, because not only has the issue transcended (in most cases) the problems with wall peeking and subsequent 1PP-only emptiness to two crowds of people fighting tooth and nail for their side (mainly 1PP-only fans who vehemently oppose any compromise that allows 3PP to remain in the game, and 3PP fans who are very poor at arguing for their points and will say basically anything to defend it and perpetuate the argument further), but also simply because the issue has been decided on. We know for a fact that the 3rd person perspective will not be removed from the game entirely but instead reworked to be less exploitable. That doesn't solve every problem by any means but to keep beating the dead horse on something long decided is only a waste of time for those involved.It's a shame isn't it? instead of being so divisive people should have been pushing much harder for making a workable solution a major development priority instead of accepting this divided community BS. like i said tho- I once supported 1PP side mainly because i dislike the ability to exploit the current implementation- that said its a feature that has existed since day1 of the mod, one that's widely liked and appreciated and already confirmed to be staying. Fixing the exploitable nature via any one one of the many meathods suggested would have been better then splitting the player base. funny the 'hardcore' 1pp Guys praised the BIS gods for seperate servers/hive ... the same ones now complain about lack of players... when 2 different hives probably nearly halves the possible players on that server >.< gotta love that 'may way or no way' attitude that always ends up like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parazight 1599 Posted June 3, 2015 No, but exploiting 3pp to gain unfair advantage by camping and looking behind walls or corners is. There is no argument against this.Well, *I* don't consider it to be unfair because the player should know what they are getting into when they join a 3pp server. My only gripe is an issue of semantics. And it's definitely not something that I'm too worked up over. "Exploit" isn't the best term to describe what's going on. Again, 'problematic design decision' seems to describe the situation better, to me at least. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xalienax 621 Posted June 3, 2015 Well, *I* don't consider it to be unfair because the player should know what they are getting into when they join a 3pp server. My only gripe is an issue of semantics. And it's definitely not something that I'm too worked up over. "Exploit" isn't the best term to describe what's going on. Again, 'problematic design decision' seems to describe the situation better, to me at least.^ this. We should have been collectively been pushing for 1 hive and a less 'abuse-able' implementation rather then taking sides and beating the horse to death then flogging the decaying corpse for the next 3 months. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebrim 998 Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) ^ this. We should have been collectively been pushing for 1 hive and a less 'abuse-able' implementation rather then taking sides and beating the horse to death then flogging the decaying corpse for the next 3 months. I think that's right. An improved 3pp camera that encourages better gameplay is the way to go. No more 1pp and 3pp server divide unless you're actually going to do something to the 1pp mode that actually makes it different or more "hardcore" in some other way. I'm skeptical even of that, I want this DayZ perspective civil war to end and reconstruction to begin. :) Edited June 3, 2015 by Ebrim 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IgnobleBasterd 161 Posted June 3, 2015 Well, *I* don't consider it to be unfair because the player should know what they are getting into when they join a 3pp server. My only gripe is an issue of semantics. And it's definitely not something that I'm too worked up over. "Exploit" isn't the best term to describe what's going on. Again, 'problematic design decision' seems to describe the situation better, to me at least.Well, if there was ONLY 1pp there wouldn't be a discussion and people would have to "know" what they were getting into. The problem now is that the superior 1pp mode lacks active players because people want to goof around in 3pp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dagwood 680 Posted June 4, 2015 Not exploit. Dumbs down combat. Provides even more advantages to stationary combatants. Reduces risk reward system to waiting game. Learn to debate. Sheesh 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arm Of Kannon 9 Posted June 4, 2015 So the player base who would rather play 1pp servers don't play on them because they do not fill up? Talk about a snake eating it's own tail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
svisketyggeren 662 Posted June 4, 2015 There are several full 1st person servers, if u cant find them ur internet is doing it wrong...or u are doing it wrong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jex 1104 Posted June 5, 2015 Nah, it's because [a] most of the building designs are from ARMA 2 where they were just big solid boxes and the height of windowsills and such didn't matter and have not been changed at all and for whatever reasons the building modelers didn't quite get the dimensions correct for the particular camera height, which is in your character's head, who stands 1.8 m. Yeah and rather than chuck 10,000 more of these annoying buildings all over the map, how about spending the time to remodel the map to remodel the buildings - Did they fix the truck yet - have you noticed that Arma 2 cars had your eyes higher than the tops of the windows? I don't know what reality BIS come from where people ride in cars where the windows are so low they're fucking useless but it isn't this one. I suggest they start remodeling to match reality? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jex 1104 Posted June 5, 2015 I agree with this. Until fully 3D, VR headsets are available for PC games like DayZ, the only way to approximate real life sensory acuity and proprioceptive awareness is to use 3rd person perspective.In real life, I can see over things by a quick glance, I turn my head quickly without losing my frame of reference and can see almost 360 degrees with my head turn and peripheral vision added to my awareness of the local environment.In 1st person perspective in game, it is far to artificial and false to be confined to the small square of your monitor resolution, no matter how big your monitor is, your awareness of the space around you is far too restricted and small. It is like walking through life looking through the window of a welding helmet.3rd person is much more realistic in terms of awareness than the current 1st person perspective. OH!! How did we EVER play First Person Shooters when they came out OH MUMMY!!! Oh that's right, we didn't suck at gaming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jex 1104 Posted June 5, 2015 Loot is weird, and can't ever find anyone. It's ridiculous running along the coast for another finding no one on a 50 man server. You do realise you're playing a zombie apocalypse survival game right? The premise of the game is to survive where most of humanity has been wiped out. Most of humanity means you not seeing other livings souls for most of your life. What this game isn't, is a setting for the last humans to congregate in electro and battle it until one man is left standing. If you can't get used to being alone then join up with some people and play with them. Why are "lone wolves" complaining they don't see anyone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Heatofbattle 49 Posted June 6, 2015 You do realise you're playing a zombie apocalypse survival game right? The premise of the game is to survive where most of humanity has been wiped out. Most of humanity means you not seeing other livings souls for most of your life. What this game isn't, is a setting for the last humans to congregate in electro and battle it until one man is left standing. If you can't get used to being alone then join up with some people and play with them. Why are "lone wolves" complaining they don't see anyone?I don't want to battle endlessly in Elektro, or join a crew, you seem to make assumptions about me really quickly, which isn't surprising since you're one of those 1PP elitists who think that that makes them better then everybody else. But I respect the face that everyone has their own opinion, so I'll ignore that for a moment.But the point is, Dayz is built off human interaction. There needs to be more of it, and bigger servers are definitely the way to go. You people think this game should be 100% realistic, but It shouldn't, because it would break what the game is built on. If I join a server looking for people, then I should have a decent chance of finding at least some. It was better before. Now it's ridicously hard to find people.If you want to play on 1PP only play on 1PP only servers.If you want to play with little interaction play on empty servers.The game doesn't need to change in this respect.... you do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Minion 943 Posted June 6, 2015 Well, if there was ONLY 1pp there wouldn't be a discussion and people would have to "know" what they were getting into.I doubt it. If there was only 1pp there would be a discussion whether or not to add a 3pp view. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
