Realism Vs Enjoyment

[Tewaz 7]

Not sure what all of the complaining is about.  I'm not an elite player and have limited gaming time due to work and family.  I thought I'd give the new build a try after reading so many complaints about it.  Well, I have a fairly well geared character, still looking for a pot to cook meat with and have survived.  I did come close to dying due to thirst a couple of times and hunger once.  I have yet to pick apples or berries.  I found some canned goods and such to keep me going while in search of what I need in order to cook.  I guess what I'm saying is I just don't get all of the whining and complaining.  Yes, it's more difficult, not impossible.  Also, I know it is said often, but, this is still in alpha.  There is no game breaking feature as it is being developed.  If you are frustrated or upset about the current build.  Take a break, come back after an update or two. 

[Pandema 352]

Not sure what all of the complaining is about.  I'm not an elite player and have limited gaming time due to work and family.  I thought I'd give the new build a try after reading so many complaints about it.  Well, I have a fairly well geared character, still looking for a pot to cook meat with and have survived.  I did come close to dying due to thirst a couple of times and hunger once.  I have yet to pick apples or berries.  I found some canned goods and such to keep me going while in search of what I need in order to cook.  I guess what I'm saying is I just don't get all of the whining and complaining.  Yes, it's more difficult, not impossible.  Also, I know it is said often, but, this is still in alpha.  There is no game breaking feature as it is being developed.  If you are frustrated or upset about the current build.  Take a break, come back after an update or two. 

 

I think peoples biggest problems with the update stemmed from the broken loot system, where some servers were devoid of any and all loot and others had military gear around every corner(exaggeration).

Plus, they put the cart ahead of the horse here. They wanted to make it so we'd have to survive off of the land without giving us the means to do so. The current systems just do not work in conjunction with the new loot system. Since useful loot is as rare as tits on a fish, putting together a box of matches, a pickaxe/axe, a cooking pot, a fishing hook, and a knife can sometimes be quite the tall order.

 

But apparently they have new systems for all of that in the works which of course begs the question: Why make these changes BEFORE making survival off the land less dependent on the loot spawns? People would've been more than happy with the zombie AI changes on their own.

 

 

And as to "its still in alpha", didn't we all buy into this alpha(note: never pay to test someone's game) so we could provide feedback on the development choices made?

 

 

Also, inb4 "W-Well, you're not hardcore enough! Go back to -insert shooter franchise here-!"

[Tewaz 7]

You're a little late on the in b4 "insert game here'  I think some have already alluded to that.  Perhaps I have been lucky to come across all of this.  I have to admit that I'm still kicking myself in the bum for leaving a pick on a body of some moron tried to attack me with.  Rifle > pick...even a .22.  LOL  Anyway, I understand to some extent the upset but overall, it's not a killer.  It seems that people became to used to the loot fest that has been going on forever.  Yeah, it's not easy to find everything, but, if you are cautious and a little patient, you'll survive and find everything.  Like I said, I'm still looking for a few things, have survived well enough and have yet to pick an apple or a berry.  I did risk drinking some untreated water once, but, the gamble seems to have paid off.  Do some actually believe that you need the miitary gear to play?  I haven't found any military rifles yet, but, that's no my main goal.  If that is a make or break for them.  Yes, perhaps, this is not the correct game for them.  It's not an absolute need.

[gibonez 3633]

 

 

Arma 3 got squashed already.

 

 

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[Pandema 352]

Do some actually believe that you need the military gear to play?

Please point out the part of my post that alluded to that idea at all.

 

I don't need an AKM + six full drum mags an a PSO to survive. I have an AKS with six mags that I found all in one wrecked jeep though.

 

But I do need a box of matches, a cooking pot, a knife, and some sort of firearm to survive. Which have been remarkably absent in my play sessions so far. So, I'm basically just posting on the forums and playing other games until they make whatever changes they're going to make to cooking because I don't feel like spending three hours crawling in the mud looking for beans while a stag prances majestically through the forest 30yds from me.

[galekast 70]

Soooo bored of this now.. It is a survival game.. Just because you can't have a backpack full of food, ammo and enough camo clothing to hide a small army, does not mean the game sucks.. You are supposed to have to work for it.. So go work for it, go hunting for that precious gear you need so badly and actually get a bit of a sense of achievement in your gameplay for a change.. As I said, it is a survival game, you need to forage, work for food and drink and survival items.. If all you want to do is go have gun fights in Elektro then go play Overpoch (not knocking it, its fun, just it's not what DayZ is meant to be!)... DayZ is meant to be a struggle, a challenge and above all else, is meant to give you a sense of achievement just for surviving for a decent amount of time, not how many kills you can rack up in a session.. If all you want to do is shoot people, there are sooooo many games out there or other variations of DayZ mod for you... If you want a survival game that is going to get tough and rewarding then hang about here and enjoy where the game goes! I know I will be! Loving the difficulty and I am loving the struggle to survive, makes such a nice change from spawning in and being fully geared in 5 mins... Guess all you "leetBanditClans" will have to work a bit harder now or just farm your "public" servers a bit more...

[randomspawn 215]

Not sure what all of the complaining is about.  I'm not an elite player and have limited gaming time due to work and family.  I thought I'd give the new build a try after reading so many complaints about it.  Well, I have a fairly well geared character, still looking for a pot to cook meat with and have survived.  I did come close to dying due to thirst a couple of times and hunger once.  I have yet to pick apples or berries.  I found some canned goods and such to keep me going while in search of what I need in order to cook.  I guess what I'm saying is I just don't get all of the whining and complaining.  Yes, it's more difficult, not impossible.  Also, I know it is said often, but, this is still in alpha.  There is no game breaking feature as it is being developed.  If you are frustrated or upset about the current build.  Take a break, come back after an update or two. 

You said you aren't elite, but almost died, but managed to find cans of food. Trust me, on some servers, you would have died. The canned food is often completely gone for 3-4 towns inland. Last night, I started on sourthern spawn, and hit every building all the way up the middle of the map. No canned food until Novy Sobor. That was a lot of apple and berry picking for me. I don't mind it on occasion, but if you play and die enough, those multiple sessions of 'search apple tree' become very boring. Sometimes, it seems about a 33% hit rate on picking apples, other times it's 1 apple for 20+ attempts. RNG and all. I guess they don't want it to be easy, otherwise everyone would just eat apples. Just because they say an apple a day, doesn't mean they gotta be OP. 

[jubeidok 495]

Not sure what all of the complaining is about.  I'm not an elite player and have limited gaming time due to work and family.  I thought I'd give the new build a try after reading so many complaints about it.  Well, I have a fairly well geared character, still looking for a pot to cook meat with and have survived.  I did come close to dying due to thirst a couple of times and hunger once.  I have yet to pick apples or berries.  I found some canned goods and such to keep me going while in search of what I need in order to cook.  I guess what I'm saying is I just don't get all of the whining and complaining.  Yes, it's more difficult, not impossible.  Also, I know it is said often, but, this is still in alpha.  There is no game breaking feature as it is being developed.  If you are frustrated or upset about the current build.  Take a break, come back after an update or two. 

 

Ya, I find as long as you go from town to town to town, you will end up with at least a couple food items per town, enough to keep you neutral for the most part. Then once in a while you hit the jackpot with 3 can house or even better, bag of rice or powdered milk. =) Powdered milk saved a current character's life. He had been in grey scale vision for a couple of days as blood doesn't seem to go back up until you get to bright green level energized. he stumbled upon some powdered milk that took him from red starving to yellow hungry and from there it wasn't long before I made it up to dark green energized. The next day I finally got to bright green and all my colour back.

 

Right now I have a pot with 4 pieces of venison. I have the burner and had the propane canister, but lost it when not paying attention and did a swap instead of a combine when I first found the burner. =P

Edited April 14, 2015 by JubeiDOK

[lvlagic 25]

I have given another 2 hours of my time to it tonight i have concluded that, in my opinion, which i am entitled to, this game isnt for me, i don't know where to look, and i am compaining for no reason... no, wait, i mean, this game is now an utter waste of time. Maybe its a hardcore thing? Playing 3rd person is such a jip, but the majority of skirvy jip jabbers seem hell bent on it, maybe i am being punished for 1st person playing, maybe hardcore is extra no foodishness?  Could the samiritans organise some sort of soup kitchen maybe?

 

I had a reasonable character from the other day, had all the gear the catch rabbits and fish, but nothing to cook it with.  Had stuff to grow seeds, but nothing to prepare the ground with.  I did have a bottle with water which i thanked my chosen god for. Alas in the end, whilst starving hungry, i was attacked by one too many zombies and with no melee weapon and no bandages left i bled to death. Oh and for the experts out there, its hard to sneak past a zombie that appears in a building with you out of nowhere.  It is a bit harder when said zombie is still inside the building you legged it out of, and whilst looking back from a good 20 yards away you are still getting hit by it...

 

i then proceeded to spawn a further 5 times over the next hour and didnt find a single item of any worth, unless i intended to open up a hat stall down the local market of course, which, for your notes, i didn't.

 

i spawned twice at the big boat on the coast, and by the time i made it to the nearest town my stomach was grumbling violently.  I did however manage to snag myself a walkie talkie and a seriously groovy police hat from a police car i stumbled upon.  handy stuff. The zombies however didnt seem to have any respect for the law as i tried to stop and search one and he resisted and assualted me.  I am waiting for the case to come to court, but i fear i may starve to death before i get my chance to testify.

 

I searched every building, out house, toilet, vehicle, bush, the sky and my soul and alas i found nothing, even the hat stall was looking at going in to liquidation.

 

What is the point in this game at the moment?  oh wait, its easy, i forgot, Mr A Hole got himself fully geared up in 20 minutes. Mr D Breath sneaked past every zombie and lived happily off the land like john boy walton. Mr C Sucker knew where to look, and Mr Hasnothingelsetodobutfindcontraryopinionstoanythinganyonedarestosayonlineasitsgivestheirpointlessexistencesomesortofmeaning is playing the game as it is "for him" but definitely not for me evidently.

 

Luckily for those of us who remain on the straight jacketless side of sanity. GTA V is preloading as we speak.  Thank the lord for beating prostitutes indiscriminately.

 

Cue Mr Littlebitofpowergoesrighttomyhead to flag my post as breaking the rules man... breaking the rules has consequences, but analyse the rules and interpret them to suit your agenda my fuzzy friends.

 

This is chocka bloke, checking out.

[Killawife 599]

When playing this game has become more about finding food and items with which to gather food and store it than about actually playing the game then something is seriously amiss. I don't know what people enjoying this patch really want from this game but what I want is what the game has been since the mod, up til now, a survival simulator where you compete or cooperate with others for the resources available. This balance has been fine for a year and now its been disrupted, simply because the resources available are gone. Most taken by hoarders I would guess, from the images of camps people post.

 

 It is possible to survive even as the game is now, but its not fun. And games are usually made to be fun. Even this one.

 

People saying "this games probably not for you" should seriously just stfu. When all this is reverted you won't be leaving because the game suddenly isn't for you.

[sneakydudes 278]

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squashed as in the dayz - Zombies mods, or some of them.

[sneakydudes 278]

When playing this game has become more about finding food and items with which to gather food and store it than about actually playing the game then something is seriously amiss. I don't know what people enjoying this patch really want from this game but what I want is what the game has been since the mod, up til now, a survival simulator where you compete or cooperate with others for the resources available. This balance has been fine for a year and now its been disrupted, simply because the resources available are gone. Most taken by hoarders I would guess, from the images of camps people post.

 

 It is possible to survive even as the game is now, but its not fun. And games are usually made to be fun. Even this one.

 

People saying "this games probably not for you" should seriously just stfu. When all this is reverted you won't be leaving because the game suddenly isn't for you.

It will be changed, like every other patch.

 

For the rest of those hating this patch:

This is a test folks you need to realize this most likely wont be the final game look. Actually we can bet on that one. There will be more patches, changes and more changes and each week you will hate and love it like others do. Each patch to stable, its I love this patch, I hate this patch, I quit this patch etc... put the game up, come back when its more to your liking.

 

Its not final, and its in your steam directory and you don't have to play it, until the patches are more to your liking. Heck you already paid for it, why not just wait until it goes to beta. After all you don't have to be the alpha tester.

 

Offer suggestions. Crying on the forums don't really get you anywhere. Offer up bugs and suggestions are the way to get heard, and some strong advice always helps the dev.'s

 

Just saying

[gibonez 3633]

squashed as in the dayz - Zombies mods, or some of them.

 

You mean as in Arma 3 is getting ruined by Dayz mod clones ?

 

Because if that is what you are suggesting I have to disagree, the only zombie mods thus far epoch and breaking point have seen luke warm receptions from the community.

 

The #1 most hyped mod for arma 3 seems to be ACE3. It appears that standalone extracted all of the survival fans from the arma series and arma 3 is now left with mostly mil sim fans.

[sneakydudes 278]

You mean as in Arma 3 is getting ruined by Dayz mod clones ?

 

Because if that is what you are suggesting I have to disagree, the only zombie mods thus far epoch and breaking point have seen luke warm receptions from the community.

 

The #1 most hyped mod for arma 3 seems to be ACE3. It appears that standalone extracted all of the survival fans from the arma series and arma 3 is now left with mostly mil sim fans.

no I am meaning arma 3 zombie clones get squashed by BI. Its in their policy. If anyone tries to make an exact copy. Squashed.

 

I love arma 3 now, since buying it after .55, I think it blows dayz away. But I still will hold onto dayz, because it smells better :)

[Kirov (DayZ) 585]

I'm sorry, I haven't read the entire thread, but this is gold:

This game isn't realistic in the slightest. [snip]

 

No, zombies should not be faster and stronger than humans.

 

You see, zombies' speed and strength are unrealistic for this guy. Wow.

[vfxtodd 125]

I agree with those that believe that 0.55 went a tad too far in one direction. Usually updates to games don't involve dramatic changes in gameplay. At least not without warning.

What frustrates me the most are the spawns. If you're going to change where needed items in a game appear, the spawns should reflect a similar change. I would think.

When I spawn in the middle of nowhere. Miles from the nearest town. How am I supposed to survive long enough to find food?

But, I like DayZ anyway. I will try to work my way through this update. Who knows. Maybe my survival skills will be improved by this update. What seems insanely hard now, may prepare me for the final version.

When I look at Call Of Duty, which is being ruined by the devs pandering to 12 year old quickscopers - no dis to 12 year old DayZ players - I realize that DayZ is becoming a better game. While COD is turning into cow dung.

Although, I do think the DayZ zombies need fixing. Their glitching all over the place is effed up.