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[Wookieenoob 191]

Paying money to gain an advantage over those who aren't paying money. You are encouraging a Pay 2 Win play-style. Go play H1Z1 if that's what you want.

 

If you are saying it doesn't effect anybody, you are wrong. They are kicking people so they can completely loot their own server and then return to the public servers fully geared and ready to dominate the rest of the Free-2-Play community. Do you really think they are kicking people off there server and playing only on that server? Who would they even play against if they stayed?

 

You are either naive the the purpose of kicking like this and the consequences to the rest of the community, or you are one of the guys doing it.

 

exactly. most of the time this is why you see some bandits with their inventories full of protector cases and duped M4s. because they don't want to be disturbed on their servers so they can camp the loot all day

[emuthreat 2837]

Why does everyone care what they do with their servers?  They pay for it, not you.  If you don't like it, play somewhere else or start dolling out some cash.  There are plenty of public servers for use, if you're not going to contribute then I suggest you stop complaining that someone is using something THEY PAID FOR in a way that makes you butthurt and join a different server.

I can see that lots of people have already shown an interest in helping you understand what RENTING A PUBLIC SERVER means; being a good natured person, I thought I'd help too.

 I read that you have already been told about how the loot is used as an advantage to the paying public player, and how dupers may use this exploit for privacy. 

  I just need you to know that the most important point to this public server admin abuse problem is this principle:  It is a public server, and must be available to the public for fair use.

   It really detracts from the entertainment value of this product when players have to spend significant time looking for PUBLIC SERVERS who won't ROUTINELY KICK ALL outsiders.

 

I'm sure you would enjoy your meal much less at a restaraunt if everyone who had bought a preferred table pass could kick you out of your table in the middle of a bite, just becasue they paid a little extra.

 

 "Yes sir, I understand that you paid for your meal too, but a superior customer wants exclusive use of this area at this moment.  Yes, I see that you were just about to take a bite of that, but you must move.  Now.  You can keep what is already on your fork, but anything on this table right now is gone, there may still be some more at a different table."  

 

By your previous arguments, I should assume that you wouldn't mind because there are plenty of other tables in the restaraunt? 

[roguetrooper 201]

I just can repeat myself over and over again. Admins should NOT have the permission to kick people from public servers ("do not join" actually means being kicked). Maybe they might reserve a certain percentage of spots for themselves and clan mates (by defining names or IPs). A guaranteed free spot is what they are paying for (and this may be OK). Not to gain advantages over others by means that lie outside of the actual gameplay.

 

I don't know how to express it. I think I can remember, at the very beginning of the standalone the devs wanted to have a coherent, dangerous world with the same rules for everybody (just split up into several servers - but basically one "world" is like the other).

 

"We pay - our rules". What a bullshit. What would public server owners do without all the people who "just play" without owning one? They would have an extremely boring single player game (playing DAYZ as PvE with friends is more or less like offline single player game mode).

 

The only reason to kick somebody (or block access) should be a countermeasure to cheating (maybe even server hopping). When you have a cheater on the server, you don't know who in the player list it is. So the kicking ability is totally worthless against cheaters. It's only effect is to enable some people equipping themselves with the best gear very safely and quickly and then join a real public server and bring that equipment against others who fight, wait and stealth for their gear in dangerous environments.

[Finchtastic 50]

Oh stop with the children and crying comments. It's the public hive. The people who are doing it are exploiting and doing so because they either can't be bothered to pay for a private server, or want to have an unreasonable advantage over the rest of us.

 

Your solution - for everyone to pay for their own server (where presumably you'd be happy for them to kick anyone who tries to join it) sounds to me pretty much like what you do. That's why you always pop up in these threads with the same tired line.

No, it's because over entitled children like to complain about something someone else pays for.  Pony up your own cash or STFU.

[Finchtastic 50]

Because on "public" servers it is against the rules and honestly should get your "public" server shut down. It's that simple.

Yeah, except the money the provider gets from people paying for their own servers is much more important to them than a few kids butthurt opinions.

[Finchtastic 50]

mate you're missing the point

 

these servers are where the squads of fully kitted players with M4 and PMRAK and grenades and mosins and 16 protector cases come from. 

 

i even know traders that use almost the same tactic just without the illegal server name.

 

 

 

 

if you don't want bads with 10000s of tents full of loot hidden away then you want them to do something about this. (i say bads, i mean bads, good people will get tents of shite anyway)

tents get wiped every wednesday... Don't really see how that's possible.

[Finchtastic 50]

I can see that lots of people have already shown an interest in helping you understand what RENTING A PUBLIC SERVER means; being a good natured person, I thought I'd help too.

 I read that you have already been told about how the loot is used as an advantage to the paying public player, and how dupers may use this exploit for privacy. 

  I just need you to know that the most important point to this public server admin abuse problem is this principle:  It is a public server, and must be available to the public for fair use.

   It really detracts from the entertainment value of this product when players have to spend significant time looking for PUBLIC SERVERS who won't ROUTINELY KICK ALL outsiders.

 

I'm sure you would enjoy your meal much less at a restaraunt if everyone who had bought a preferred table pass could kick you out of your table in the middle of a bite, just becasue they paid a little extra.

 

 "Yes sir, I understand that you paid for your meal too, but a superior customer wants exclusive use of this area at this moment.  Yes, I see that you were just about to take a bite of that, but you must move.  Now.  You can keep what is already on your fork, but anything on this table right now is gone, there may still be some more at a different table."  

 

By your previous arguments, I should assume that you wouldn't mind because there are plenty of other tables in the restaraunt? 

LOL, way to exaggerate.  And your comparison isn't even close to relevent.  In this case one is paying and the other is leeching and then complaining about it.

[Jesus Christ The Goblin 71]

LOL, way to exaggerate.  And your comparison isn't even close to relevent.  In this case one is paying and the other is leeching and then complaining about it.

If they want to kick everyone they should have paid for a private server, It really is that simple.

[Steak and Potatoes 13480]

Greetings programs, I've kept an eye on this piece since its birth.  I do not mind the open discussion, however keep the fecal flinging out or she will be locked up.  To remain on topic I am neutral with the discussion at hand and see alot of valid points, just remember to keep on reporting regardless. 

 

Best Regards,

 

Steak.

[Finchtastic 50]

If they want to kick everyone they should have paid for a private server, It really is that simple.

If you don't wanna get kicked, pay for your own server.  It's really that simple.

[IReadTheAgreement 313]

If you don't wanna get kicked, pay for your own server.  It's really that simple.

 

How are you this dense?  There are rules that public server renters have to follow.  Part of those rules are not kicking people to loot the server themselves.  If they don't want to follow those rules they can put forth an extra $25 and have a private server.  There they can do whatever they want.

 

Here are the updated public server hosting rules in PDF:  http://dayz.com/files/pdf/Server_Hosting_Rules_Public.pdf

 

There are rules and guidelines PUBLIC server renters MUST follow.  You'll probably argue this point but that doesn't matter.  That's really the end of it.

 

EDIT:  Didn't mean for that to sound as harsh as it did.  This video might sum it up better.

 

Edited March 15, 2015 by IReadTheAgreement

[Killawife 599]

Why does everyone care what they do with their servers?  They pay for it, not you.  If you don't like it, play somewhere else or start dolling out some cash.  There are plenty of public servers for use, if you're not going to contribute then I suggest you stop complaining that someone is using something THEY PAID FOR in a way that makes you butthurt and join a different server.

 

Because its cheating, duh.  Cheating should never be allowed in any form in MP games.

[stonecutter357 17]

  How do you know this server are not privates set to public and

How much money do you think fragnet is will to give up to please angry gamers?

[Jesus Christ The Goblin 71]

If you don't wanna get kicked, pay for your own server.  It's really that simple.

Or alternatively I could report their server and get it taken down.

I lose nothing by being kicked, However by kicking me they break the rules and get reported 100% of the time.

Definitely no need for me to pay for a server.

Edited March 15, 2015 by Jesus Christ The Goblin

[IReadTheAgreement 313]

  How do you know this server are not privates set to public

 

Because that's not how it works.  Private shards are private even without a password.

 

 

How much money do you think fragnet is will to give up to please angry gamers?

 

The contract they signed to become a DayZ server provider plays into that.

[stonecutter357 17]

Because that's not how it works.  Private shards are private even without a password.

 

 

 

The contract they signed to become a DayZ server provider plays into that.

you don't know what you are talking about i set my server to public all the time.

[ryanincalgary 20]

I'd like to see them change the way players can get kicked from a public server. They should take the ability to kick users away and simply let admin's report hackers. If it's that bad, the admin can turn the server off instead of kicking 40 people because they don't know who they are. 

 

Not to mention the admin abuse out there. I had a fully kitted our character with an M4 and I was searching for an acog or rds. I was on a server with 6-7 other people in a V3S and I'm screaming through a field near green mountain when I see a player running towards me down the hill. Then everyone except one player (the admin) on the server gets kicked and when I logged back in my character had been killed. So when you kick people they still exist on the server for the logout timer... If players are kicked they need to at least make it instant. You vanish and are not left in game to be shot by dirty admins.

Edited March 15, 2015 by ryanincalgary

[IReadTheAgreement 313]

you don't know what you are talking about i set my server to public all the time.

 

Private hive and Public hive are two separate things.  I'm honestly curious how you can jump back and forth.  Assuming you're right, which you aren't.  DayZ servers have two separate prices for Public and Private for a reason.

 

http://dayz.gamepedia.com/Servers#Types_of_Servers

Edited March 15, 2015 by IReadTheAgreement

[xalienax 621]

As much as i fully support total control of all server parameters by the person paying for it that extends ONLY to servers which exist in total isolation from other servers.

 

1. In order to rent a server you must agree to a terms of service which gives the GSP in most cases the right to terminate your server rental without refund if you breach the terms.

- GSP 100% has the right to kill your server for breaking TOS

 

2. What you do on a Join = kick Public hive farming/loot storage server 100% effects people on other servers.

- You get loot with 0 risk of hostile players, or store loot with 0 risk of loosing it then take it to go PvP on other servers at an advantage (if this isn't pay-to-win i dont know what is)

 

3. If the 'global loot' gets implemented as was discussed some months ago you will actually be limiting loot spawns on other servers.

- If only x number of an item can spawn in all servers connected to the hive and 50 of them are being hoarded on your 'do not join' server that 50 of that item that cannot spawn on 'legit' rule-obeiding servers.

 

bottom line: These crooked servers DO in fact effect EVERYONE ELSE negatively. if you don't like the hosting rules DON'T AGREE to the TOS and DON'T have your own server. or pay the bit extra for a private shard and play with your freinds with your own agreed to rules.

[Szymowich 9]

Worse than the fact of these server admins kicking everyone but themselves and their friends is the fact that they restart the server repeatedly to farm loot and then transfer it to a persistence-on server. Not going to mention server names but I have run across a couple servers that I have witnessed being restarted every five-ten minutes, repeatedly and for hours on end. It is obvious what is being done in this situation. There is no other reason for such frequent restarts on a non-persistent server.

 

As well as reporting them, I have begun to look up these outlaw servers on the numerous 'server listing' sites and have found that the majority of these servers were registered in the same time-frame that the cheaters began dropping like flies. Not that it is proof of anything but is it coincidence? Doubtful.

 

Bottom line is that a public server is public... period. In theory, if everyone that rented a public server broke the rules and kicked everyone off, people that purchase this game would not have a server to play on (and save the "play on private servers" talk. this is all about principles here).

 

Lastly, aimed at a brewing side-argument, I rent a private hive (master) server and I can switch the server between public hive and private hive (and to state what should be obvious, characters and loot do not transfer between the two) but I am not sure if all server providers give that option. But even with it being classified a private server on paper, the differences between the public and private setting still remain true to hosting guidelines for each.

[Mookie (original) 799]

No, it's because over entitled children like to complain about something someone else pays for.  Pony up your own cash or STFU.

 

I and the other contributors to this thread disagree with your apparent feeling that you should be able to pay for an unreasonable advantage in the public hive game.

 

You don't really seem to have an answer to this point, or in fact to understand it at all - hence the insults I guess.

[emuthreat 2837]

If you don't wanna get kicked, pay for your own server.  It's really that simple.

Are you sure you didn't understand my dining analogy?  Everybody playing the game has already paid for it, just because someone rented a public server for the privelage of naming it whatever they want, doesn't mean they can take it away from everybody else at their whim.  People have already expalined the rules regarding public servers, the exploitable aspects of public server abuse, and how private server admins may have the authority to kick anyone for any reason--because it is private, not public.  I think people are just trying to help you understand the difference between a private server, where you can do as you damn-well wish; and a public server, where you might be expected to behave within certain standards.

 

Perhaps an analogy about the adopt-a-highway program would help you better understand why paying a little extra for expanded privelages in a public space does not come with the right to exclude all others from normal use of said space.  If a person were to adopt a highway, go out once a month to pick up the trash, and pay for a sign, does that give them the right to shut down that section of public road for their commute?  Would it give them the right to run drag race heats there, set up a tent and camp in the road, or do anything else that rendered the road unusable to the rest of the taxpaying public?

 

I made the important words stand out, in case I was also ineffective in presenting my point clearly this time. 

 

Given that you are so adamant about the ability of every player to simply pay for their own server, it follows that those abusing public servers should be plenty capable of paying extra for private servers.  By your leeching/complaining reasoning, I may then conclude that those abusing public servers are just cheapskates trying to cheat the game because they can't handle being on a server with anyone else who might kill them.  Sounds like public server badmins are even lower than the hackers, given their obvious lack of skill and technical limitations. 

Edited March 15, 2015 by emuthreat

[slyder73 94]

Then pay for your own server and you won't have a problem with the way people who DID pay for their own run THEIR OWN SERVER.  Simple.  This doesn't affect me ever, I just don't go on those servers.  No sense in complaining when there's like 10,000 real public servers to the maybe 10 that will kick you out.  Just go somewhere else... 75% is not even close.

There would be no problem is those servers had players that played ONLY on those servers they paid for.  But that is not the case.  Those servers are part of the public hive and players who farm those servers then come over to other servers and effect the gameplay over there.  If I am paying for my own server and running it legit, I don't want idiots who have public(but kick everyone) players coming over and messing up my player base and game dynamics.  It is a problem.

[Jesus Christ The Goblin 71]

I'd like to see them change the way players can get kicked from a public server. They should take the ability to kick users away and simply let admin's report hackers. If it's that bad, the admin can turn the server off instead of kicking 40 people because they don't know who they are. 

 

Not to mention the admin abuse out there. I had a fully kitted our character with an M4 and I was searching for an acog or rds. I was on a server with 6-7 other people in a V3S and I'm screaming through a field near green mountain when I see a player running towards me down the hill. Then everyone except one player (the admin) on the server gets kicked and when I logged back in my character had been killed. So when you kick people they still exist on the server for the logout timer... If players are kicked they need to at least make it instant. You vanish and are not left in game to be shot by dirty admins.

Yeah It is a bit of a joke that they can kick people rather than report people.

Say you do get banned for no reason on a public server you need to provide video evidence of that ban or nothing happens to the server in which case the rules might as well not exist.

[Finchtastic 50]

How are you this dense?  There are rules that public server renters have to follow.  Part of those rules are not kicking people to loot the server themselves.  If they don't want to follow those rules they can put forth an extra $25 and have a private server.  There they can do whatever they want.

 

Here are the updated public server hosting rules in PDF:  http://dayz.com/files/pdf/Server_Hosting_Rules_Public.pdf

 

There are rules and guidelines PUBLIC server renters MUST follow.  You'll probably argue this point but that doesn't matter.  That's really the end of it.

 

EDIT:  Didn't mean for that to sound as harsh as it did.  This video might sum it up better.

 

 I'll ask you the same question then.  Are you really this dense?  If the providers won't do anything about it, then what good is the rule?  To answer that question, revert to quoted post.