Crafting with books

[degude 133]

Hi,

 

First of all, I know there are many topics about reading books and learning, BUT I thought of a different approach since the devs didn't like the ideas of "skills and professions".

 

My idea is that crafting some very "difficult" receips is only possible with a certain book. Let's say to craft a leather jacket from animal skin (I wouldn't know how to do it), you would need a "leather sewing book". The books could also influence the quality of crafted objects, so that with a "leather sewing book" you can reapir your leather boots to worn, otherwise only to damaged.

UPDATE: The Devs stated how they plan the future crafting system.

Possible ways how books could affect crafting:

1.) Books could be used like a tool, so you'd need to hold them in your hand in order to craft some special receips or to craft an object with a better quality (worn/damaged)

2.) Books could be part of the items you'd need to place somewhere in order to craft something

3.) If a book is among the placed items it improves the quality of the crafted object.

 

EDIT: I don't want a skill system (like the devs), I want that carrying a book arround or improving gear with the book gives you an advantage!

 

There are so many possibilities where books could be used:

- Better status of the object after sewing (normal & leather) with a book (worn instead of damaged)

- Better status of the gun after using cleaning kit with a cleaning-kit-manual

- Repaing car parts (required or better object status when repairing)

- More output with horticulture

- Higher quality of ghillie suits

- More food receips, better nutrition values

- Quality of the bow

- Quality of improvised backpacks

 

 

Similar approaches (but more focus on skills):

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/213364-recipe-book-medical-journal-mechanic-manual/?hl=%2Bbooks+%2Bskills

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/171935-skill-books/?hl=%2Bbooks+%2Bskills#entry1752502

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/163644-not-just-another-skills-post/?hl=%2Bbooks+%2Bskills

If this was suggested before and I didn't see it in the search function please let me know.

Edited February 17, 2015 by degude

[jurionov37 22]

The books are a good idea, the skills arent tho....its useless to have a leveling skills in a game where one bullet/swing/bite can send you off to shore

Edited February 3, 2015 by Jurionov37

[liquidcactus 719]

Are there any books that are actually readable yet ? I'm sure I have seen a video where a player opens a book where you can see a chapter list and gets handcuffed by a mad man carrying a lantern with a sack on his head but all the books I have picked up havent been able to let me read them ?

 

But as for the skills and such with the books I really dont know.. like jurionov above said its kind of something I would personally not want to worry about considering how easy it is to be killed. 

 

I know alot of dayz is about trying not too care too much about your character but at the end of the day for me its more stuff(skills) to lose that would potentially piss me off.                                                   Mind you in this alpha stage of the game I'm still prety good at not being pissed off when I die :D

[sachad 1016]

All books are readable, though some have really weird formatting which makes them difficult to read.

[foolee 43]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy3UUSB3b_o

 

List of books, sourced from the dayz gampedia wikia,

• 20000 Lieues sous les mers Parts 1 and 2
• A Doll's House
• A Journey to the Interior of the Earth
• A Princess of Mars
• A Texas Matchmaker
• A Traveler In Time
• A Vindication of the Rights of Woman
• A Voyage to Arcturus
• After London
• Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
• An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations
• An Old Babylonian Version of the Gilgamesh Epic
• Andersen's Fairy Tales
• Anna Karenina
• Around the World in 80 Days
• Betty Zane
• Bila nemoc
• Black Beauty
• Black Jack
• Buddenbrooks
• Candide
• Cinq Semaines En Ballon
• Crime and Punishment
• Das Nibelungenlied
• De l'origine des especes
• De la terre a la lune
• Dead Souls
• Desert Gold
• Die Verwandlung
• Don Quixote
• Dracula
• Erewhon
• Fairy Tales
• Father Goriot
• Faust
• Faust: Der Tragödie erster Teil
• Flying U Ranch
• Frankenstein
• Great Expectations
• Gulliver's Travels
• Gunman's Reckoning
• Hamlet
• Heart of Darkness
• Herland
• Hindu Literature
• Hopalong Cassidy's Rustler Round-Up
• Hunger
• Ivanhoe
• Japanese Literature
• Kidnapped
• King Solomon's Mines
• KingLear
• L'enfer (1 of 2)
• L'île mystérieuse
• L'ingénieux chevalier Don Quichotte de la Manche
• La Chartreuse de Parme
• La comédie humaine volume I -- Scenes de la vie privée tome I
• La d??b??cle
• Le Rouge et le noir
• Les Corneilles
• Les trois mousquetaires
• Lonesome Land
• Lord Jim
• Madame Bovary
• Märchen für Kinder
• Middlemarch
• Moby Dick
• Njal's Saga
• Nostromo: A Tale of the Seaboard
• On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection
• Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica
• Pride and Prejudice
• Rasselas
• Robinson Crusoe
• Romeo und Julia
• Ronicky Doone
• Russian cheat sheet
• Russian learning book
• Scaramouche
• Selected Stories
• She
• Skyrider
• Sons and Lovers
• Spinifex and Sand
• Sunset Pass
• The Aeneid
• The Art Of War
• The Barrier
• The Bible - King James Version - Book 18: Job
• The Brothers Karamazov
• The Call of Cthulhu
• The Call of the Wild
• The Canterbury Tales and Other Poems
• The Cave of Gold
• The Coming Race
• The Cosmic Computer
• The Country of the Blind
• The Day of the Beast
• The Decameron of Giovanni Boccaccio
• The Desert of Wheat
• The Further Adventures of Robinson Crusoe
• The Heritage of the Sioux
• The Hidden Children
• The Hound of the Baskervilles
• The House of the Seven Gables
• The Island of Doctor Moreau
• The Jungle Book
• The Last Man
• The Last of the Plainsmen
• The Last Trail
• The Magna Carta
• The Mahabharata of Krishna-Dwaipayana Vyasa Bk. 4
• The Man Who Was Thursday
• The Metamorphoses of Ovid
• The Metamorphosis
• The Monk - A romance
• The new testament
• The Outlet
• The Picture Of Dorian Gray
• The Pit and the Pendulum
• The Poems of Giacomo Leopardi
• The Possessed
• The Prisoner of Zenda
• The Private Memoirs and Confessions of a Justified Sinner
• The Quirt
• The Raven
• The Red Badge of Courage
• The Scarlet Pimpernel
• The Shunned House
• The Three Musketeers
• The Thunder Bird
• The Time Machine
• The Trial
• The Turn of the Screw
• The Variable Man
• The War of the Worlds
• the which wee finde
• Three Men in a Boat
• Tony and the Beetles
• Tovarna na absolutno
• Trailin'!
• Translations of Shakuntala and Other Works
• Treasure Island
• Ulysses
• Uncle Silas
• Voyage au Centre de la Terre
• War and Peace
• Wieland or The Transformation
• Wuthering Heights
• Youth

[BeefBacon 1185]

All players should be able to craft all items, but books should provide buffs rather than new skills. Reading a weapon cleaning manual should allow the player to get more use out of a weapon cleaning kit. Reading a book on hunting should yield more meat from animals.

 

Providing new skills, however, is a big no-no for me. Learning how to craft, say, a better improvised bow I could get along with, but that's pretty much the limit.

[LoveAffair 329]

This is a Great idea , plus it would give me something to do searching for a certain book all over the map. Would also be useful for trades too.

[degude 133]

Thanks for the feed back but I think you missunderstood me a bit  :)

All players should be able to craft all items, but books should provide buffs rather than new skills. Reading a weapon cleaning manual should allow the player to get more use out of a weapon cleaning kit. Reading a book on hunting should yield more meat from animals.

 

Providing new skills, however, is a big no-no for me. Learning how to craft, say, a better improvised bow I could get along with, but that's pretty much the limit.

Are there any books that are actually readable yet ? I'm sure I have seen a video where a player opens a book where you can see a chapter list and gets handcuffed by a mad man carrying a lantern with a sack on his head but all the books I have picked up havent been able to let me read them ?

 

But as for the skills and such with the books I really dont know.. like jurionov above said its kind of something I would personally not want to worry about considering how easy it is to be killed. 

 

I know alot of dayz is about trying not too care too much about your character but at the end of the day for me its more stuff(skills) to lose that would potentially piss me off.                                                   Mind you in this alpha stage of the game I'm still prety good at not being pissed off when I die  :D

The books are a good idea, the skills arent tho....its useless to have a leveling skills in a game where one bullet/swing/bite can send you off to shore

 

 

My english is not the best so I try another  approach of explaining:

The idea of a book giving a skill to a character has been suggested at least 5 times here in this forum. --> I don't want that (like you guys)

My idea is that carrying the book with you or using it to improve gear could make the search for certain books relevant like LoveAffair described it.

 

I removed method one from my suggestion, because it's too much like a skill system.

[degude 133]

This is a Great idea , plus it would give me something to do searching for a certain book all over the map. Would also be useful for trades too.

Beans for he pic :thumbsup:  :beans:

[agouti 105]

There should be no books on firearm cleaning. It's so simple a caveman could do it. You put a copper solvent on a brush (attachment), scrape it through the barrel, and then a rag also soaked in solvent. Repeat as necessary.

[degude 133]

There should be no books on firearm cleaning. It's so simple a caveman could do it. You put a copper solvent on a brush (attachment), scrape it through the barrel, and then a rag also soaked in solvent. Repeat as necessary.

Didn't know that, I don't own a gun :P I thought because of the cleaning of the inner parts (if that is done when cleaning a gun) a more experienced knowledge is required.

[LoveAffair 329]

There should be no books on firearm cleaning. It's so simple a caveman could do it. You put a copper solvent on a brush (attachment), scrape it through the barrel, and then a rag also soaked in solvent. Repeat as necessary.

I don't know how either , and this Kit looks like alot more than scrape a rag through a barrel.

Edited February 3, 2015 by LoveAffair

[agouti 105]

See the wire? That's what you pull through. See the brushes? That's what you scrape it with. Those are all different brushes on the back as well. Then you have those different heads, which you attach to the wire, which you attach the rag to. Wowee, that was tough. Personally, I prefer a rod instead of a wire, that way I can push. To be honest, you don't even need to use the brush, just rags. But the brush loosens it all up beforehand, and you don't need to take as much time.

 

Seriously look at that, it's all wire, rags, brushes, and heads to attach to the wire and rags. The brushes are all listed by caliber/gauge.

 

Man, if you guys can't figure out a gun cleaning kit, I shudder to think of any of you guys with a car.

 

 

 

Also, you don't clean the "inner" parts, as those aren't exposed to powder. Even a semi auto, at most you'd clean out the bolt, bolt carrier if there is one, gas tube, piston if there is one, etc. etc. The barrel takes the most of it.

Edited February 4, 2015 by agouti

[degude 133]

See the wire? That's what you pull through. See the brushes? That's what you scrape it with. Those are all different brushes on the back as well. Then you have those different heads, which you attach to the wire, which you attach the rag to. Wowee, that was tough. Personally, I prefer a rod instead of a wire, that way I can push. To be honest, you don't even need to use the brush, just rags. But the brush loosens it all up beforehand, and you don't need to take as much time.

 

Seriously look at that, it's all wire, rags, brushes, and heads to attach to the wire and rags. The brushes are all listed by caliber/gauge.

 

Man, if you guys can't figure out a gun cleaning kit, I shudder to think of any of you guys with a car.

 

 

 

Also, you don't clean the "inner" parts, as those aren't exposed to powder. Even a semi auto, at most you'd clean out the bolt, bolt carrier if there is one, gas tube, piston if there is one, etc. etc. The barrel takes the most of it.

Good to know :)

Well I have no idea of weapon cleaning, where I live owning a weapon is a big deal :P So if you say it's very easy, weapon cleaning should not be affected.

[degude 133]

In the new status report the devs explained how they plan to design the future crafting system:
 

The last prototype I would like to mention is the one which was done for the advanced crafting. It's flexible enough to be used as a field crafting and also table crafting. The point is that you need to put all your items from which you want to craft something new in front of you then equip right tool in your hand and directly interact with the item pool to produce the desired new crafted item. This solution is giving us few important possibilities like adding meaning to the plethora of tools we already have in game, crafting complex items without need of intermediate products which are most of the time useless. As well, turn some of the stationary tables with machinery in houses and industry structures to crafting tables where you will be able to produce crafted rails for scopes, modify weapons and do other advanced processes.

 

So with that information I'll update my suggestion about "crafting with books"

1.) Books could be used like a tool, so you'd need to hold them in your hand in order to craft some special receips or to craft "with better quality"

2.) Books could be part of the items you'd need to place somewhere in order to craft something

3.) If a book is among the placed items it improves the quality of the crafted object.

Edited February 17, 2015 by degude

[emuthreat 2837]

There should be no books on firearm cleaning. It's so simple a caveman could do it. You put a copper solvent on a brush (attachment), scrape it through the barrel, and then a rag also soaked in solvent. Repeat as necessary.

What is copper solvent?  And is it poisonous for a caveman to drink it?  Are there any good books on this subject?

[emuthreat 2837]

Also, you don't clean the "inner" parts, as those aren't exposed to powder. Even a semi auto, at most you'd clean out the bolt, bolt carrier if there is one, gas tube, piston if there is one, etc. etc. The barrel takes the most of it.

I feel sorry for your guns, espicially those poor springs.

[BleedoutBill 1636]

What is copper solvent?  And is it poisonous for a caveman to drink it?  Are there any good books on this subject?

Solvent is nasty stuff. You may as well drink gasoline, as to drink this stuff. Think about it. Anything that can dissolve copper, or lead deposits is not something that you will want to drink!

 

There are lots of vids on the subject of cleaning firearms. Here is one for the 1911. As you might expect, some firearms are easier to strip than others. To someone who has never actually done it, I wouldn't say that it is intuitively obvious.

 

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+clean+a+1911

Edited February 18, 2015 by BleedoutBill

[BleedoutBill 1636]

Also, you don't clean the "inner" parts, as those aren't exposed to powder. Even a semi auto, at most you'd clean out the bolt, bolt carrier if there is one, gas tube, piston if there is one, etc. etc. The barrel takes the most of it.

I would say that this varies from model to model. However, even if you have a firearm that doesn't tend to get all sooty inside, remember that out in the field, it will be exposed to mud, sand and water. This type of environment can easily compromise the reliability of automatics and semi-autos. This is one of the reasons why the military do extensive trials, before adopting any new firearm for service.

 

The original AK47 was renown for its ability to continue to function, even after being exposed to the most harsh/dirty environments. Likewise, there was a huge controversy about the M16 when it was first adopted by the US military. These rifles required continuous maintenance to keep them operational, even though this issue was not discovered in the trials. If memory serves, the root cause was substandard ammunition. This begs the question ... is all of your ammunition pristine in the zombie apocalypse?

[agouti 105]

I feel sorry for your guns, espicially those poor springs.

See I can't tell if you're being funny or not.

One one hand, you don't use copper solvent, on the other hand, you criticize how I clean my guns. I've never seen a need to clean the trigger control group, for instance, of a semi-auto rifle (aside to remove any cosmoline). At least not one that uses a piston. I admit, I'm not very keen on the inner workings of an AR. Anything that just sprays powder into the bolt like that seems like a bad idea.

[emuthreat 2837]

See I can't tell if you're being funny or not.

I guess that means I'm not.  The questions were to illustrate why the books might come in handy.  Anyone can run a brush or rag through the barrel, but moving parts will need to be removed and cleaned eventually after a fair amount of use.  The books can provide this advanced level of cleaning knowledge, maybe it stays with you for that life after practiced once.