Does low-loot server exist?

[Vest 3]

Hi. 

 

Before you guys go full-retard and cry "play DayZ for what it is"-yaddayadda, I have played DayZ very much. Many great hours of fun, but can it really be true there isn't any servers, where coming across a can of beans can be hard? Great things have been implemented in this game for survival aspect, which could make it a rather fun experience, if it focused completely on actually getting through starvation as a main problem.

[Max Planck 7174]

Nopes, loot spawns can't be tampered with by server administrators.

[Vest 3]

Nopes, loot spawns can't be tampered with by server administrators.

 

Aight, thanks for quick response! 

[chickenmcfuggits 49]

You could impose some challenge on yourself, such as completely ignoring canned goods or trying to live solely off of hunting.

[BeaverProductions 441]

There are 'kind' of low loot servers.  I sometimes play on persistent servers to get a more survivalist way of doing things.  Persistent servers can have screwed up loot where virtually nothing spawns except in certain areas.  If I found these loot explosion areas, I traveled somewhere else so I didn't exploit the bonanza, temping though it was.

 

 

One of my all time favourite playthroughs was on one of these persistent servers.

 

Its a struggle to find basic equipment for producing your own food, never mind having a backpack full of tins of food.  I died a few times trying to survive and had to dump my meager gear in a bush before I went unconscious so I could run back and collect it on a new life.

 

I spawned and searched the coast a little and found nothing much.  I occasionally found some beans or bacon in places where people dont usually look (under beds/cars, behind chairs etc), but not enough to survive.  I decided to go full survivalist.  Picked apples/berries to allow me to travel to the next town.  Managed to get myself some rope, fishing hook, shovel and a machete so made bow and a fishing rod and hunted and fished to survive.  Also found some wire so set 3 rabbit snares.

 

While the rabbit snares were set and I was waiting to catch one, I planted some tomato seeds then headed to a pond to fish for carp.  After I had caught a few, I stalked some nearby animals with my bow.  By the time I returned to my snares (2 out of 3 had rabbits after 30-40 mins), I had a backpack full of fish, animal meat and tomatoes.

 

Unfortunately the server disappeared a few days later and has never returned :/

[mercules 1290]

There aren't High Loot servers either. All servers have the same loot table. 

[DeatHTaX 1217]

You should have played when they did the high-pop experiments. BOY was that a blast.

 

Loot was hard as balls to come by, and killing people actually felt necessary.

 

There was a constant fear anyone you came across would accost you out of desperation for food or gear.

 

BRING BACK HIGH POPS! 

[pilgrim* 3514]

Beav says a similar thing above..

 

Sure there are NO 'low loot 'servers.. but there are plenty of servers where loot is HARD to find.

Just log on - at the right time of day - on a good high pop server where 20 or 30 or 50 players have already been through ..and any loot will be HARD to find

Now a player can either get pissed of about that and complain.. OR you can play the game. That's what you are looking to do, right?.. it's survival time, the towns are empty, the villages are empty..and times are bad, people have already been through everything... every house is completely empty (maybe a torn coat thrown away, maybe a damaged beret).., and you will NOT find an axe or a can opener or a kitchen knife anywhere.. maybe.. unless you have some good ideas..

 

So - check out a popular server after 7pm in your local time, when it's been looted dry, and start surviving.. there is maybe a can of beans no one noticed?.. you can find a kid's school backpack..hey, there's a derringer in a corner of a factory., almost hidden under masonry.. if you look in the right places you could find a crossbow, because few players want them.. and the only thing left in supermarkets is (if you're lucky) is 5 or 6 ready-made arrows and an empty plastic bottle..(cool already)  in some places you find the ammo that no one wants, all the shotgun shells and the rifle ammo has gone for sure, but someone left 3 rounds 45 cal on the floor when they filled their pockets, and you got your derringer already.. but you know where to get water (drink till you're stuffed) , you know to eat apples from trees and move to the next tree after 4 or 5 good apples.. you can find charcoal tabs, you can kill a wild boar by coming at it from the front and hitting it with a crowbar or a rake (or anything).. you miss 4 times out of five but then you DO kill it..if you need food now you can chance eating the meat (vomit, charcoal) - or you can find matches (folk leave boxes with only 6 matches in them) .. you know where to find stones .. all you need is something to cut wood and you're already winning..  maybe some worn or damaged pants with bigger pockets. When you move inland to the quiet places you find the expert survivors have already been through there.. but those guys leave more interesting stuff.. maybe in a barn a yellow raincoat to keep the rain off (hypothermia)? some rope.. always a few old clothes to tear up for bandages, and sticks from the woods for splints and other things

 

All I'm saying is - you can pick your server - there are PLENTY of servers where the server loot is down to 10% or less, of normal. Also - an advantage in places that are picked clean is usually there are no zombies left (but they'll turn up sooner or later) and usually no players either. It's like the real apocalypse, everything seems gone completely.. keep away from barracks because hoppers will turn up there all the time.. but I've found good loot (by my standards) in streets close to barracks.. even when the outlying buildings have all been stripped by survivors, and the barracks are constant with hoppers who stay 4 minutes. .

 

Plenty of players hate servers when they are like this, but if you are looking for difficult survival, where you have to THINK and MOVE to stay alive at all.. then try those..It gives you a new idea of what you really need to stay alive.. and you do NOT need an assault rifle or any mil clothes or a big backpack.. If you're lucky and you find one whole bag of damaged rice, and a plastic raincoat, and and you know where to find water, then you can live for maybe a day or longer .. enough time to find matches, rope, wire for snares, (the stuff people throw away or don't care to pick up) and go search for a wood axe.. you'll find a damaged axe somewhere inland for sure..

 

without being too serious about this, we all know the true stories about how the viet cong lived and fought and built hospitals and weapons out of stuff the USarmy threw away. What I'm suggesting is kind of the same thing.. there are interesting ways to live on servers that the big crowd has already gone through three or four times.. If this is what you are looking for, then check out a few popular servers and you will find it.. All servers start exactly the same loot, but there are plenty where that loot has already gone, you really have to think about some original survival tactics (eg a hacksaw is good for opening cans, but players throw them away and dont keep them - if you see an old campfire there's probably still a log in it, pick it up and run for cover - an old raincoat goes in a pocket of 4 squares, but you can put 4 objects in the raincoat so you loose no space and stay dry when you need to).. there are many many ways of living after the player apocalypse has run through all the obvious stuff.

 

If that's your thing (and I like that too) then try it.. because - as I've explained - in fact there ARE servers where there is almost NO loot.. it's already been taken.. start on one of those and see how it goes. if 30-50 players have been through there and moved on, but YOU can work out the ways to live that they could NOT... damn, you feel good.. 

 

good luck

[liscion 44]

Pilgrim,

 

I just wanted to say, kudos for that post!

 

You just gave me a way to never die of natural causes as a bambi anymore  B)

[Rags! 1966]

You'll have to wait for persistence to finally be finalized, where hopefully every place on the map doesn't give either too much or too little loot, and all areas are worth travelling to for scavenging. 

[NoPaEr10 50]

Beav says a similar thing above..

 

Sure there are NO 'low loot 'servers.. but there are plenty of servers where loot is HARD to find.

Just log on - at the right time of day - on a good high pop server where 20 or 30 or 50 players have already been through ..and any loot will be HARD to find

Now a player can either get pissed of about that and complain.. OR you can play the game. That's what you are looking to do, right?.. it's survival time, the towns are empty, the villages are empty..and times are bad, people have already been through everything... every house is completely empty (maybe a torn coat thrown away, maybe a damaged beret).., and you will NOT find an axe or a can opener or a kitchen knife anywhere.. maybe.. unless you have some good ideas..

 

So - check out a popular server after 7pm in your local time, when it's been looted dry, and start surviving.. there is maybe a can of beans no one noticed?.. you can find a kid's school backpack..hey, there's a derringer in a corner of a factory., almost hidden under masonry.. if you look in the right places you could find a crossbow, because few players want them.. and the only thing left in supermarkets is (if you're lucky) is 5 or 6 ready-made arrows and an empty plastic bottle..(cool already)  in some places you find the ammo that no one wants, all the shotgun shells and the rifle ammo has gone for sure, but someone left 3 rounds 45 cal on the floor when they filled their pockets, and you got your derringer already.. but you know where to get water (drink till you're stuffed) , you know to eat apples from trees and move to the next tree after 4 or 5 good apples.. you can find charcoal tabs, you can kill a wild boar by coming at it from the front and hitting it with a crowbar or a rake (or anything).. you miss 4 times out of five but then you DO kill it..if you need food now you can chance eating the meat (vomit, charcoal) - or you can find matches (folk leave boxes with only 6 matches in them) .. you know where to find stones .. all you need is something to cut wood and you're already winning..  maybe some worn or damaged pants with bigger pockets. When you move inland to the quiet places you find the expert survivors have already been through there.. but those guys leave more interesting stuff.. maybe in a barn a yellow raincoat to keep the rain off (hypothermia)? some rope.. always a few old clothes to tear up for bandages, and sticks from the woods for splints and other things

 

All I'm saying is - you can pick your server - there are PLENTY of servers where the server loot is down to 10% or less, of normal. Also - an advantage in places that are picked clean is usually there are no zombies left (but they'll turn up sooner or later) and usually no players either. It's like the real apocalypse, everything seems gone completely.. keep away from barracks because hoppers will turn up there all the time.. but I've found good loot (by my standards) in streets close to barracks.. even when the outlying buildings have all been stripped by survivors, and the barracks are constant with hoppers who stay 4 minutes. .

 

Plenty of players hate servers when they are like this, but if you are looking for difficult survival, where you have to THINK and MOVE to stay alive at all.. then try those..It gives you a new idea of what you really need to stay alive.. and you do NOT need an assault rifle or any mil clothes or a big backpack.. If you're lucky and you find one whole bag of damaged rice, and a plastic raincoat, and and you know where to find water, then you can live for maybe a day or longer .. enough time to find matches, rope, wire for snares, (the stuff people throw away or don't care to pick up) and go search for a wood axe.. you'll find a damaged axe somewhere inland for sure..

 

without being too serious about this, we all know the true stories about how the viet cong lived and fought and built hospitals and weapons out of stuff the USarmy threw away. What I'm suggesting is kind of the same thing.. there are interesting ways to live on servers that the big crowd has already gone through three or four times.. If this is what you are looking for, then check out a few popular servers and you will find it.. All servers start exactly the same loot, but there are plenty where that loot has already gone, you really have to think about some original survival tactics (eg a hacksaw is good for opening cans, but players throw them away and dont keep them - if you see an old campfire there's probably still a log in it, pick it up and run for cover - an old raincoat goes in a pocket of 4 squares, but you can put 4 objects in the raincoat so you loose no space and stay dry when you need to).. there are many many ways of living after the player apocalypse has run through all the obvious stuff.

 

If that's your thing (and I like that too) then try it.. because - as I've explained - in fact there ARE servers where there is almost NO loot.. it's already been taken.. start on one of those and see how it goes. if 30-50 players have been through there and moved on, but YOU can work out the ways to live that they could NOT... damn, you feel good.. 

 

good luck

Wow dude, that was actually awesome to read. I'm proud that the DayZ community also has people that think like you do and not play it for the PVP aspect only. I have to be honest, usually I'm hopping servers to have some mediocre gear to hop into a 30-50 men server in elektro to enjoy some PVP.

After reading your text, I am considering playing DayZ for it's survival aspect, which seems to be preeeeeetty fun. I thank you sir for sharing your opinion on (here lowloot servers) how to play DayZ.

 

Have a nice Day!

[therandomredstone 432]

There aren't High Loot servers either. All servers have the same loot table. 

Not true. I have a server that I play on that has a very considerable amount of loot. I mean as in finding food, guns, ammo, equipment, all in a matter of minutes. But it isn't a bugged server. It either isn't that popular, or something. but its a darn good server.

[jukaga 271]

You should have played when they did the high-pop experiments. BOY was that a blast.

 

Loot was hard as balls to come by, and killing people actually felt necessary.

 

There was a constant fear anyone you came across would accost you out of desperation for food or gear.

 

BRING BACK HIGH POPS! 

 

Yep, I would love to see 100+ man servers, hell even the 80 man servers would be great. Big stability problems last time tho.

[xhiril 43]

Nopes, loot spawns can't be tampered with by server administrators.

 

I don't believe this is true for private. 

 

In theory I believe you can have a private hive with child servers having less? Maybe I am mis-remembering, I let my private server go but might revisit buying another one in the future.

[Etherious 907]

Not true. I have a server that I play on that has a very considerable amount of loot. I mean as in finding food, guns, ammo, equipment, all in a matter of minutes. But it isn't a bugged server. It either isn't that popular, or something. but its a darn good server.

Ummmm, no there are no high/low loot servers. Server owners can't tamper with the loot settings.

 

I don't believe this is true for private. 

 

In theory I believe you can have a private hive with child servers having less? Maybe I am mis-remembering, I let my private server go but might revisit buying another one in the future.

Once again, no. Server owners even if they have private hives can't tamper with loot.

[mercules 1290]

Not true. I have a server that I play on that has a very considerable amount of loot. I mean as in finding food, guns, ammo, equipment, all in a matter of minutes. But it isn't a bugged server. It either isn't that popular, or something. but its a darn good server.

 

It's not a "High Loot" server. Likely it is low pop with Persistence on in which case you can get very nice steady loot in multiple areas. On such a server I found in the two Barracks in Zelenogorsk no less than three automatic rifles including mags for them. That was because loot had spawned there, not been picked up but not be cleared out, spawned again, not been picked up, and so on. The server was fairly laggy and Zombies were not adhering to the navmesh very well because of that so I didn't stick on it very long. 

[therandomredstone 432]

Ummmm, no there are no high/low loot servers. Server owners can't tamper with the loot settings.

 

Once again, no. Server owners even if they have private hives can't tamper with loot.

I don't believe admins can alter their loot tables, but I do believe that somehow, someway, servers have more loot. I am not saying that this was intentionally put in this server. But maybe it just spawns all sorts of loot.

[therandomredstone 432]

It's not a "High Loot" server. Likely it is low pop with Persistence on in which case you can get very nice steady loot in multiple areas. On such a server I found in the two Barracks in Zelenogorsk no less than three automatic rifles including mags for them. That was because loot had spawned there, not been picked up but not be cleared out, spawned again, not been picked up, and so on. The server was fairly laggy and Zombies were not adhering to the navmesh very well because of that so I didn't stick on it very long. 

It was med-low pop. (between 5-15 players) and It wasn't persistent. But there was no bugged loot. Just loot all over. in every building.

[xhiril 43]

Once again, no. Server owners even if they have private hives can't tamper with loot.

 

So why does my fragnet private server have a loot drop down box? Is it just for show?

[Etherious 907]

I don't believe admins can alter their loot tables, but I do believe that somehow, someway, servers have more loot. I am not saying that this was intentionally put in this server. But maybe it just spawns all sorts of loot.

Persistent Off servers spawn loot more equally than Persistent On servers.

 

So why does my fragnet private server have a loot drop down box? Is it just for show?

I'm sorry, but going to need pictures on that "loot" box on Frag.net. However, I am 100% certain it's just for show.

[pilgrim* 3514]

hey survival people - there is an interesting post here: Mookie about making fires without cutting wood, just with sticks, so you don't need an axe to make a fire to warm you. I didn't know you could do this.. useful to know. i'm checking when I get on line.

 

xx

[pilgrim* 3514]

I don't believe admins can alter their loot tables, but I do believe that somehow, someway, servers have more loot. I am not saying that this was intentionally put in this server. But maybe it just spawns all sorts of loot.

 

If you put your server on "Persistence:NO".. then when you restart you have the full range of loot just like it always was (I guess even more now since new stuff has been added in?). And you can restart your server any time you like, as far as I know, you don't need an excuse even for Public hive servers.. I've been suddenly thrown out from a restart at about midnight, logged back in, and had a restart 10 mins later, and then another 10 mins later. It seems obvious the admin and his 1 or 2 friends are hanging out at some baracks and restarting untll all the loot they want has turned up and gone into their pockets.

 

I do NOT know how easy it is to switch between "persistence on" from "persistance off".. (because I never even looked to try).  But "maybe" that is ONE reason why folk warn their regulars to fold their tents on Tuesday night ? It may be 70% a technical problem with persistence (right? and will be sorted soon).. but if I was evil minded, I could switch to "NO persistence" on Tuesday night, restart enough times to collect everything I wanted, then turn the server back to "persisence" for Wednesday morning.. Let's just call that a bad thought ( I slap myself). Admins are not evil, as we know. They would not do that.

 

But for the first part, I DO KNOW that late night, admins in my ping-area restart enough times to get the loot they want, it's happened so many times. The rest of the day it's a nice normal server; OK?.. Then everyone gradually logs out and the admin thinks "what the hell .. might as well" ..  So this could partly explain why some servers seem to have plenty of stuff in the morning, and other servers seem to have nothing at ALL ??

 

But with no more bad-mouthing admins: I'm sure there are some servers that get very many hoppers, and some servers that get a lot of people who play for only 10 mins.. while other serves have maybe only 8-15 players but those stay a long time (hours; all day or all night).. So there are several reasons why servers could "seem" to have big variations in loot. There is NOT a way to "set" your server to give more or less loot, if its private or public hive, no difference.. you can't do it unless you're an employee of a server-hire company and you want to risk messing with Battleye AND the server script AND your boss.. (and really, if any person like that exists - why bother?)

 

My view, in a post above - loot is not so 'important' really, if you can just about eat and drink and stay warm - hey, I just picked up a Mosin in a little village house.. that village had 1 can of bacon, one Mozin, one worn raincoat -  (and maybe a bobble hat)  in the whole village.. so that's GOOD for me.. I already found bullets yesterday, and I kept them because my backpack was empty). But then another server I logged in and found 6 pairs of worn or pristine Combat Boots standing together next to a boat on the beach. And the first house had 5 cans of food, a worn backpack, a worn waterproof, and hunter pants.. so .. Go figure ?

 

food - drink - warm/dry - and about 6 rags minimum .. (that's all  - this is the Basic Kit)

also worn clothes are less easy to SEE than pristine, IMO.. even a yellow waterproof bag or a yellow raincoat is fairly 'camo' if it's worn or damaged (it stops working for you if it's worse, so repair all your gear back to "worn" when you find a leather stitching pack). And you can even find military warm+dry jackets in the long cowsheds  and other buildings to keep you warm AND dry without other stuff (just add any hat, ok?) ..

 

finally - everyone has seen screenshots of locations with giant piles of loot, it's a bug, but I thought that was fixed now - isn't it? If not, report it when you find it.

 

xx

Edited January 24, 2015 by pilgrim

[liscion 44]

I'm running 2 servers (hosted @ Vilayer), one public and private (master) and I can guarantee you all that there is absolutely no way to tamper with loot. The only thing you _can_ do is restart the server like Pilgrim mentions.

 

And by the way, Vilayer isn't so bad as some people might think considering the reviews :)

Edited February 4, 2015 by liscion