Is DayZ really set in fictional Ukraine?

[Accolyte 1727]

 

According to this picture a point in Chernarus is about 2172km away from Moscow. Thats way further than Ukraine or the Czech Republic.

 

 

No it's not. That sign is showing distance by road. Which actually pretty much adds up ;)

 

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Ústí+nad+Labem,+Česká+republika/Moskva,+Rusko/@51.5101904,20.8609007,6z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x470984a714d02511:0x400af0f66160e00!2m2!1d14.0531456!2d50.6611164!1m5!1m1!1s0x46b54afc73d4b0c9:0x3d44d6cc5757cf4c!2m2!1d37.6173!2d55.755826!5i1?hl=cs

[Kirov (DayZ) 585]

No it's not. That sign is showing distance by road. Which actually pretty much adds up ;)

 

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Ústí+nad+Labem,+Česká+republika/Moskva,+Rusko/@51.5101904,20.8609007,6z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x470984a714d02511:0x400af0f66160e00!2m2!1d14.0531456!2d50.6611164!1m5!1m1!1s0x46b54afc73d4b0c9:0x3d44d6cc5757cf4c!2m2!1d37.6173!2d55.755826!5i1?hl=cs

 

Yeah, but the cardinal directions are somewhat off. I know it's just a rule of thumb, but on national roads, when you have a road sign pointing to your right, the destination place is usually more or less to your right, not behind you. Imagine you have Berlin straight to the North and have a right arrow saying 'Rome xxx km'. While possible on motorways due to ring roads and what not, it's hardly likely with local roads, like the one south of Lopatino. Not a definite proof, but I would still hold that Moscow is somewhere in the most general direction to the right (i.e. North) of the avatar in the picture. Somewhere between NW and NE, at the very least. And Moscow is more ENE for the Czechs.

[ChainReactor 922]

No it's not. That sign is showing distance by road. Which actually pretty much adds up ;)

 

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Ústí+nad+Labem,+Česká+republika/Moskva,+Rusko/@51.5101904,20.8609007,6z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x470984a714d02511:0x400af0f66160e00!2m2!1d14.0531456!2d50.6611164!1m5!1m1!1s0x46b54afc73d4b0c9:0x3d44d6cc5757cf4c!2m2!1d37.6173!2d55.755826!5i1?hl=cs

 

Hey, your blue route leads through my hometown. Feel free to stop by on your way, I always have plenty of beer in my fridge. :)

[pillock 850]

Chernarus info

 

If DayZ does indeed follow Arma II's history, then Chernarus is in the Black Sea / Caspian Sea region.

 

Because it says so itself.

[Cap'n (DayZ) 1827]

Ceallach, on 08 Oct 2014 - 11:27 AM, said:

Pretty damn much. I wish people would actually bother or at least give a shit about where it at all came from (ArmA2). :D

 

Chernarus info

 

Dear Moderators,

 

This should be pinned to the general. This is vital information that the greater community has ignored. Heed my simple request, and I will fangirl  my ass off.

 

Best regards, Captain.

 

PS; don't let Ceppy run me over again, Skoda on leg doesn't feel good.

Edited October 8, 2014 by Cap'n

[blunce 991]

Chernarus is based on the Czech Republic:

 

Edited October 8, 2014 by blunce

[pilgrim* 3514]

I thought it was Russia but then noticed what looked like a Ukrainian flag on the shoulder of a military zombie? Has anyone looked into this? Is it Ukraine and not Russia? 

 

No.

 

NOT Russia.

NOT Ukraine.

 

 

The Ukrainian flag is easy to confuse with military grade or unit patches (for instance). It's not a complicated flag:

 

 

                                  

Edited October 9, 2014 by pilgrim

[Whyherro123 2283]

For fucks sakes, people. All it takes is a 2 second Google search, and you will learn that all of you are right, and all of you are wrong.

 

http://dayz.gamepedia.com/Chernarus

http://imgur.com/9xT3vGQ

 

The actual geography and topography of Chernarus are based on the Czech republic. The Government is based on post-Soviet Republic, and it is located on the Green Sea, a stand-in for the Black/Caspian Seas. There was a signifigant Russian minority in the northern part of South Zagoria, the province that ARMA II and Day Z takes place in. The official language of Chernarus is Russian.

 

It isn't a fictional version of the Ukraine, or of Russia, or the Czech Repulic. It is a fictional, entirely-made-up nationstate partially, but not totally, based on these and a conglomeration of other Soviet and post-Soviet states.

 

And I never even played ARMA II. This is with a 2 second Google search.

[Kirov (DayZ) 585]

The actual geography and topography of Chernarus are based on the Czech republic. The Government is based on post-Soviet Republic, and it is located on the Green Sea, a stand-in for the Black/Caspian Seas. There was a signifigant Russian minority in the northern part of South Zagoria, the province that ARMA II and Day Z takes place in. The official language of Chernarus is Russian.

 

 

The topography means nothing, it's just a layout used by the devs, those woods are not Czech in nature. The geography on the other hand is definitely non-Czech, as the CR is land-locked. So we were basically wondering where on the actual map (and don't tell me it's the CR because of the topography) Chernarus would be located due to its national flavour, i.e. language, flag etc. There is a difference between western countries of the Warsaw Pact (Poland, the CR), western ex-Soviet countries like Belarus and Ukraine, and more eastern ones like Kazakhstan. And we're trying to deduce it here.

 

Also, I'd need to browse a bit, but I'm not sure if it would be historically correct to use the '-rus' suffix for regions so distant from the European parts of the ex-USSR. Territories between Poland and Moscow can definitely be '-rus' this and '-rus' that, I wouldn't be that sure with Georgia and farther east.

[pillock 850]

Chernarus is based on the Czech Republic:

 

 

That's quite a cool video.

[Kirov (DayZ) 585]

Just to make sure: yeah, I know it's fictional and doesn't really belong on the real world map, it's just food for thought where Chernarus would fit the best if we had to squeeze it in somehow.

 

I'd say it can't be too far from Ukraine, probably not on the far side of the Caspian Sea where Kazakhstan is.

[blunce 991]

That's quite a cool video.

 

Yeah, I always like to go back to it from time to time.

 

& threads such as this one always remind me of it. lol  :)

[ld-airgrafix 403]

Its a fictional country set in eastern europe, but why use real town names from russia, ukraine etc????

[grindstone50k 208]

I can't believe people still don't get this: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Chernarus

 

[Finchtastic 50]

If you look at the town names, along with the cyrillic, you can gather that it's fictionally set in Russia.  However, the region, I believe, is based off of a place in Ukraine while most of the towns and landscapes, physically, are taken from the Czech Republic.  I saw the video posted above a few months ago, it's really awesome, and it will show you the real places in the CzR vs the animated ones.

[pilgrim* 3514]

For fucks sakes, people. All it takes is a 2 second Google search, and you will learn that all of you are right, and all of you are wrong.

..//..

The actual geography and topography of Chernarus are based on the Czech republic. The Government is based on post-Soviet Republic, and it is located on the Green Sea, a stand-in for the Black/Caspian Seas.

..//..

And I never even played ARMA II. This is with a 2 second Google search.

 

All it takes is a 2 minute google Earth search to learn how wrong you are - you get 1 point for FICTIONAL

(for fuck's sake)

The Czech republic is NOT ON A SEA ( just for instance )

It does NOT have a coastline (got it ? found it ?). While you're spending your 2 minutes on Google Earth, you'll notice a few other MAJOR DIFFERENCES like the one I just mentioned. Check out the RIVERS,see if you've heard of any of them.. check out the TOWNS... and if you want to spend a whole 15 mins, start with Wikipedia and CR's own websites and take a look at INDUSTRY, AGRICULTURE, ECONOMY, LIVING STANDARDS, NATO MEMBERSHIP,  INFRASTRUCTURE, (like roads,ya know), MEMBERSHIP of THE EU, the PORTS (hey, there aren't any SEA ports, so how come there ARE major ports - hey, PRAGUE and Moldauhafen HAMBURG (don't tell me Hamburg isn't in the CR I already know, but the CR has a PORT there). Have a closer look at the GEOGRAPHY and TOPOGRAPHY. Generally have fun and take a little more than 2 minutes before you decide you know about the Czech Republic or about what DayZ is "based on" apart from fiction (you think fiction "comes from" somewhere?). At least I guess you know where DayZ "comes from?"

 

As for the Government being based on the "post-soviet republic".. you got me there, I haven't met any Chernarus government reps yet in the game, but I don't expect them to be anything like anything I've seen in the news or heard of since 1989 (guess you know why I chose that year?). Calling the CR elected govt. a "post soviet republic" as though this makes any useful particular sense, is a VERY ODD view of history, especially in this case. At least, I hope you don't mean post-soviet as in 'post-soviet Russia'. That would make me cry! The CR Army has NATO contingents in Afghanistan (and Kosovo), does that have anything to do with it?

 

BUT more importantly, as we ALL know (here in europe at least)  - it would be CRAZY (suicidal?)  for any company to deliberately locate a fictional fighting/survival game of this kind in any place that identifiably RESEMBLED a real country. And it would be MADNESS for them to claim that this fictional place was in any sense "really" about that country IN ANY WAY.

 

You probably don't realize how many people in the CR play DayZ ?

 

Maybe (I hope, because I feel bad for being sharp with you) it's just that you're still thinking in those old-old (easy to think) cold war terms and you still have some 1950s idea that 'Eastern European' countries are far away and full of poor bad people (zombies in fact)? Tell Bohemia (the company)  about that, they might not be so sure. but as you know where the country is I guess you can name 3 of the 4 (post-soviet??)  countries bordering the CR?  It's time for people to catch up on history before it kicks us in the teeth.

 

So when I say:

NOT Russia

NOT Ukraine

dont tell me I'm somehow "all right and all wrong"

 

(hey - the car is a Scoda, ok?)

 

                                  

               

 

                

 

- and CEITEC (you may notice in there..  and OTHER stuff, and ... etc.. (and I'm going to play now, see ya later)

 

ps - The Czech Republic is one of the top 10 countries worldwide with the fastest average internet speed,.. but .. what the hell ..

 

xx pilgrim

 

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic - ok, point out the similarities again ?]

Edited October 9, 2014 by pilgrim

[Kirov (DayZ) 585]

Before this escalates any further: pilgrim, I'm not sure Whyherro meant what you think he meant. Nobody here is saying that Chernarus is like the Czech Republic now or before '89, or that the CR is backwards, or has access to the sea, or uses the Cyrillic, or relies on 56kb/s modems. It was just stated that Cherna uses a topography layout taken from the CR, while the rest of its 'atmosphere' goes more along the lines of a struggling, ex-USSR, Orthodox state, definitely far from NATO or EU structures. On the other hand, it can't be too far into Asia, culturally speaking, among the something-stan countries (yeah I know, it's near Green Sea).

 

Personally, I feel quite cozy in Chernarus, as parts of it do resemble eastern rural parts of Poland in the good ol' days of one Party. I think you can still find this kind of layout, architecture and the general feel of shoddiness in countryside Poland, Ukraine, Belarus and last but not least, Russia. Never been to the CR/Slovakia so I wouldn't know, but don't tell me you don't know what I'm talking about. ;)

[Count_Blackula (DayZ) 39]

Without a doubt Chernarus is based on a Black Sea post-Soviet state with heavy historical links to Russia like Ukraine or Georgia. The alphabet, architecture equipment of the CDF all suggest this. It's true that Chernarus is geographically based on an area in the Czech Republic but georgraphy has no bearing on culture, language and history. The only reason it's based on an area of the Czech Republic is because Bohemia Interactive are a Czech company and they probably didn't want to spare the funds time and staff to extensively photograph and study an area in Ukraine or Russia although this is purely assumption on my part.

Edited October 9, 2014 by Count_Blackula

[ChainReactor 922]

Wow pilgrim, I also think you got Whyherro123 wrong here. Maybe he shouldn't have said "the government" but rather "the theme". The actual topography of Chernarus really matches the Usti Region ( the river Labe obv recreating the Chernarussian coastline ), but the theme of the map is clearly post-sovjet-russian.

Edited October 9, 2014 by ChainReactor

[Whyherro123 2283]

All it takes is a 2 minute google Earth search to learn how wrong you are - you get 1 point for FICTIONAL

(for fuck's sake)

The Czech republic is NOT ON A SEA ( just for instance )

It does NOT have a coastline (got it ? found it ?). While you're spending your 2 minutes on Google Earth, you'll notice a few other MAJOR DIFFERENCES like the one I just mentioned. Check out the RIVERS,see if you've heard of any of them.. check out the TOWNS... and if you want to spend a whole 15 mins, start with Wikipedia and CR's own websites and take a look at INDUSTRY, AGRICULTURE, ECONOMY, LIVING STANDARDS, NATO MEMBERSHIP,  INFRASTRUCTURE, (like roads,ya know), MEMBERSHIP of THE EU, the PORTS (hey, there aren't any SEA ports, so how come there ARE major ports - hey, PRAGUE and Moldauhafen HAMBURG (don't tell me Hamburg isn't in the CR I already know, but the CR has a PORT there). Have a closer look at the GEOGRAPHY and TOPOGRAPHY. Generally have fun and take a little more than 2 minutes before you decide you know about the Czech Republic or about what DayZ is "based on" apart from fiction (you think fiction "comes from" somewhere?). At least I guess you know where DayZ "comes from?"

 

As for the Government being based on the "post-soviet republic".. you got me there, I haven't met any Chernarus government reps yet in the game, but I don't expect them to be anything like anything I've seen in the news or heard of since 1989 (guess you know why I chose that year?). Calling the CR elected govt. a "post soviet republic" as though this makes any useful particular sense, is a VERY ODD view of history, especially in this case. At least, I hope you don't mean post-soviet as in 'post-soviet Russia'. That would make me cry! The CR Army has NATO contingents in Afghanistan (and Kosovo), does that have anything to do with it?

 

BUT more importantly, as we ALL know (here in europe at least)  - it would be CRAZY (suicidal?)  for any company to deliberately locate a fictional fighting/survival game of this kind in any place that identifiably RESEMBLED a real country. And it would be MADNESS for them to claim that this fictional place was in any sense "really" about that country IN ANY WAY.

 

You probably don't realize how many people in the CR play DayZ ?

 

Maybe (I hope, because I feel bad for being sharp with you) it's just that you're still thinking in those old-old (easy to think) cold war terms and you still have some 1950s idea that 'Eastern European' countries are far away and full of poor bad people (zombies in fact)? Tell Bohemia (the company)  about that, they might not be so sure. but as you know where the country is I guess you can name 3 of the 4 (post-soviet??)  countries bordering the CR?  It's time for people to catch up on history before it kicks us in the teeth.

 

So when I say:

NOT Russia

NOT Ukraine

dont tell me I'm somehow "all right and all wrong"

 

(hey - the car is a Scoda, ok?)

 

                                  

               

 

                

 

- and CEITEC (you may notice in there..  and OTHER stuff, and ... etc.. (and I'm going to play now, see ya later)

 

ps - The Czech Republic is one of the top 10 countries worldwide with the fastest average internet speed,.. but .. what the hell ..

 

xx pilgrim

 

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic - ok, point out the similarities again ?]

Re-read what I posted, cool your tits, and read what the other posters typed below.

 

Relax, mate.

[saamohod 45]

>Is DayZ really set in fictional Ukraine?

Lol. As a Ukrainian myself, I've had similar thoughts while playing the game. The cars (apart from Humvees) and housing blocks do indeed look homely. The other buildings in towns rather belong to Western Europe. The namings are definitely Russo-Ukrainian.

The name Chernarus is a pun itself. While one of the three East-Slavic countries is called Belarus (which translates as White Rus'), the Chernarus reads as Black Rus'.

Edited October 9, 2014 by saamohod

[Finchtastic 50]

Before this escalates any further: pilgrim, I'm not sure Whyherro meant what you think he meant. Nobody here is saying that Chernarus is like the Czech Republic now or before '89, or that the CR is backwards, or has access to the sea, or uses the Cyrillic, or relies on 56kb/s modems. It was just stated that Cherna uses a topography layout taken from the CR, while the rest of its 'atmosphere' goes more along the lines of a struggling, ex-USSR, Orthodox state, definitely far from NATO or EU structures. On the other hand, it can't be too far into Asia, culturally speaking, among the something-stan countries (yeah I know, it's near Green Sea).

 

Personally, I feel quite cozy in Chernarus, as parts of it do resemble eastern rural parts of Poland in the good ol' days of one Party. I think you can still find this kind of layout, architecture and the general feel of shoddiness in countryside Poland, Ukraine, Belarus and last but not least, Russia. Never been to the CR/Slovakia so I wouldn't know, but don't tell me you don't know what I'm talking about. ;)

The towns and landscape etc. were take from the Czech Republic...Which is bordered by Poland to the north..Maybe that's why?

[pilgrim* 3514]

Re-read what I posted, cool your tits, and read what the other posters typed below.

 

Relax, mate.

 

 

OK I see you didn't check Google Earth, or even the Wikipedia starter site, as I suggested.. I'm cool with that.

You could learn some stuff that we need to know, that has changed the western world, and check out some of the shit that is going down

Most importantly, know WHY

 

One of the faint benefits of DayZ is it gives people who might get interested an opening to understand a little bit more about where we live and how it got this way. Not a lot, but it's there.. The number of people I've heard on these forums who think Romania, the Ukraine and (probably) Somalia are all the same place.. some shit place you see on TV, see it on youtube, this depresses me. 

Santayana (famous guy, poet, philosopher) said:

"Those who do not know their history are condemned to repeat it"

 

So no prob. DayZ is a nice game  .

Anyone ever heard that Lord of the Rings was "based" on a combination of the Second World War, the bombing of Dresden, and the Mongle invasions of Hungary and Poland in the 13th century.?

I guess that makes it less fictional.

 

as i said above

"... but .... what the hell..."

Do what you like friend, have your tits as hot or as cold as you want them, no problem, think what you want to think, it's your planet.

 

Thanks for your comments people - I DO understand them.. you're talking about real places here, and many of you live in them, and I played the Mod on RO1 for a long time (Romania,ya know it?) with plenty of interesting Romanian dudes, some cool Ukranian bandits and a trio of Russians. So I already had this conversation about "what people think about the <<ex soviet union>>" as though its 'a place', as though it's an item on CNN.. had this conversation a LONG time ago.

Sorry about the RANT

.. this IS your planet, after all, you don't have to think or know anything much about it if ya don't want to. It's never going to change your life, right?

 

Saying "the topography is the same" is like saying the Lake district is what England is like, or the Nevada Desert is what the USA is like. Check back and you can find one location the artists went to (what particular area) to get their photos and ideas for country and house models. But that's not what the CR looks like. (.. etc..)

 

ps Most of the town buildings "look like" standard town streets in Belgium, but then Belgium and Bohemia had the same rulers and the same architects, shared culture and arts, and they built the same stuff. Does that fit in with the back story?

 

xx pilgrim

 

No problem Whyhero123, I didn't mean to pick you out as a bad person. I apologise. (and to the other contributers above  - 'scuse me).

 

A French journalist asked Mao if communism had changed Europe, and Mao said "It's too early to tell".

That about sums it up.

Edited October 9, 2014 by pilgrim

[Finchtastic 50]

 

According to this picture a point in Chernarus is about 2172km away from Moscow. Thats way further than Ukraine or the Czech Republic. Countries with this distance are (no all of them):

• Belgium
• Italy
• Albania
• Turkey
• Iraq
• Iran
• Turkmenistan
• Uzbekistan
• Kazakhstan

 

The map is based off of a very small piece of landmass north of Prague, CzR.  If you don't believe me, google maps "Povrly", it should be where Elektro is on the DayZ map.  It is 100% in the Czech Republic, However, the language and town names are Russian (Confirmed by a guy who grew up in Siberia).  For example, the town of Chernogorsk corresponds to a town in the Czech Republic on the river (the ocean in DayZ is a river in real life), but there is a real life town of Chernogorsk in soutch central Russia, just north of Mongolia.

Edited October 9, 2014 by Finchtastic

[svisketyggeren 662]

Imagine being that guy living in the Czech who is able to go to the in game spot where his actual house is.

...and play dayz and go to his house ingame while being there for real.....mindblow 

Edited October 9, 2014 by svisketyggeren