the bow is terrible at anything longer than melee range

[Jonah_Hobbes 171]

And?

 

He still made the hit in 2 shots at 300 meters. Snipers use spotters too.

 

The point was made that a 300 yard on target shot couldn't be made. This video proves that assumption to be incorrect, "not forgetting that a man sized target is 10 times bigger than a balloon."

 

The next person I talk to I'm going to try and slip this into the conversation - genius!

Edited October 2, 2014 by Jonah_Hobbes

[Whyherro123 2283]

Thems big bows.

Ehh.... for a wooden recurve, not really. Longbows (granted, a very different "style" of bow), could have draw weights up to 120lbs, and historians have found some with 200lb draw weights! Granted, people trained all of their lives to use them, and English yeoman archer skeletons have literal bone mutations from the forces involved, but still....

[-Gews- 7443]

He still made the hit in 2 shots at 300 meters. Snipers use spotters too.

Person 1: "Kill shots are possible out to 1,600 meters with iron sights"

Person 2: "What? No, those long-range graduations were for massed volleys, no way you are hitting someone at 1,600 meters with iron sights"

 

Person 1: 

 

 

Person 2: -_-

 

 

 

 

 

Should the bow be effective out to 300 yards, nope.

 

Effective hunting range of even modern bows is very short. It's like the same ranges as for buckshot. Often less.

 

However the difference in DayZ is that ethical hunting isn't a concern and thus the "effective range" will be further since the targets are larger.

 

But not 300 yards.

[gibonez 3633]

Oh really?.................

 

 

 

I reckon that balloon is head size, maybe even a little smaller and he's firing with gusting wind.

 

Ahh yiss a 300 yard shot on video after what multiple attempts outside of camera using a modern 21 century compound bow and modern arrows.

 

 

 

Thats how war bows are used.

 

Now take the in game bow that has a draw strength of what 30 lb if being optimistic and using home made arrows . You honestly think they can be the same as whats shown in that video.

[Jonah_Hobbes 171]

Ehh.... for a wooden recurve, not really. Longbows (granted, a very different "style" of bow), could have draw weights up to 120lbs, and historians have found some with 200lb draw weights! Granted, people trained all of their lives to use them, and English yeoman archer skeletons have literal bone mutations from the forces involved, but still....

 

 

Yeah and those guys who fought in the Border wars with the Welsh and Scots as you say trained from quite a young age, day in day out and if I remember correctly the skeletons of the archers had a very distinct curvature of the spine and they would have been massive men.

 

TBH honest I've not seen any handmade wooden recurves. We have wooden recurves but they are for beginners and No one at my club uses them max 25lb. So I could be wrong. The is a guy that makes longbows but I've never been around when he has although he does sell them.

 

I've not seen many male archers go over a 55lb draw. I was 45 with my Sebastian Flute and looking at moving up. I'm no expert, just an occasional archer, (hampered by a sh*tty shoulder injury mostly over the last couple of years and the couple of times I do shot it's with the wife's SF 30lb atm).  

 

I'm guessing that for target shooting you just don't need a  draw over 55 and as you'll be shooting many more times it would be a disadvantage to have such a huge weight.

 

It's just what I've seen and most of the guys I know don't hunt but even bringing down a boar or a bear surely 60lbs would be more than sufficient, anything else would be overkill?

 

It's very intersting to hear about your bows please if you've got any pics - please share.

[Jex 1104]

Person 1: "Kill shots are possible out to 1,600 meters with iron sights"

Person 2: "What? No, those long-range graduations were for massed volleys, no way you are hitting someone at 1,600 meters with iron sights"

 

Person 1: 

 

 

Person 2: -_-

 

 

 

 

 

Should the bow be effective out to 300 yards, nope.

 

Effective hunting range of even modern bows is very short. It's like the same ranges as for buckshot. Often less.

 

However the difference in DayZ is that ethical hunting isn't a concern and thus the "effective range" will be further since the targets are larger.

 

But not 300 yards.

 

What? You want to go and stand 300 yards down range whilst I shoot arrows at your head? I'm not even sure what you're trying to say tbh.

[Sutinen 635]

I see people just trying to go full auto with the bow and of course you're not going to hit shit if you do that. I shot a guy in the chest with one before the took me out with his Mosin. If I had the upper hand in that fight I could have killed him.

[Jex 1104]

Ahh yiss a 300 yard shot on video after what multiple attempts outside of camera using a modern 21 century compound bow and modern arrows.

 

 

 

Thats how war bows are used.

 

Now take the in game bow that has a draw strength of what 30 lb if being optimistic and using home made arrows . You honestly think they can be the same as whats shown in that video.

 

That's not what's being argued. The claim was by you

 

You are not going to be hitting any point target at 300 yards.

 

Responding to this

 

Whyherro123, on 02 Oct 2014 - 04:24 AM, said:

Gibonez, you do realize that a "kill-shot" is eminently possible using a bow, out to about 300 yards depending on the type of bow and the weight of the arrow?

 

Which I showed a video of your claim being factually incorrect and yet you're stil larguing about it.

 

Shut up already! :) ;)

[-Gews- 7443]

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say tbh.

 

Simple, a bow does not have a 300-yard effective range. Any successful shot that far in DayZ should be a fluke.

Have you seen the projectile arc in-game? Atrocious.

For now they copied the .22 LR ballistics which has maybe ~3x too much drag for the bows.

[Cpanther 221]

Well it is a wooden stick with a rope tied to each end. Don't know what you were expecting, it ain't a modern compound bow with a laser scope and under-slung grenade launcher.

 

Yeah.. i tried to make a bow that way once.. it nearly took my eye off.. rope tied to a stick doesn't makes a good bow, i can painfully confirm that.

[Whyherro123 2283]

Yeah and those guys who fought in the Border wars with the Welsh and Scots as you say trained from quite a young age, day in day out and if I remember correctly the skeletons of the archers had a very distinct curvature of the spine and they would have been massive men.

 

TBH honest I've not seen any handmade wooden recurves. We have wooden recurves but they are for beginners and No one at my club uses them max 25lb. So I could be wrong. The is a guy that makes longbows but I've never been around when he has although he does sell them.

 

I've not seen many male archers go over a 55lb draw. I was 45 with my Sebastian Flute and looking at moving up. I'm no expert, just an occasional archer, (hampered by a sh*tty shoulder injury mostly over the last couple of years and the couple of times I do shot it's with the wife's SF 30lb atm).  

 

I'm guessing that for target shooting you just don't need a  draw over 55 and as you'll be shooting many more times it would be a disadvantage to have such a huge weight.

 

It's just what I've seen and most of the guys I know don't hunt but even bringing down a boar or a bear surely 60lbs would be more than sufficient, anything else would be overkill?

 

It's very intersting to hear about your bows please if you've got any pics - please share.

In all honesty, it probably wasn't a 60lb draw : P It was similar, but heavier, than my 45lb compound bow. SO......like 50lbs?

 

And unfortunately, I no longer have any more handmade bows, nor did I actually think to take pictures : P. The birch flatbow started to develop fractures in the face above the grip, so I shelved it for safety's sake. The beech one I lent out, and never got it back. And I accidentally broke the oak one : (. I use a fiberglass flatbow for kicks, now.

[Whyherro123 2283]

Yeah.. i tried to make a bow that way once.. it nearly took my eye off.. rope tied to a stick doesn't makes a good bow, i can painfully confirm that.

That is because that isn't how you make a bow.

 

Most "survival" bows are of the "flatbow"type, as it is the easiest to shape using hand tools, and can be shaped in a wider variety of woods, as the shape is much more forgiving regarding the forces involved.

 

Flatbows require a decent amount of shaving (not carving. Carving the limb takes off too much too fast), so that the limbs are of equal length and bend equally. This process can not be rushed. It took me 6 hours of work to shape a flatbow (from seasoned wood, mind you), only to have it literally explode in my hands after tillering and testing the string-fit. Take my word for it: microscopic splinters in your cheeks, lips, and hands (thank God I was wearing safety glasses) are not fun. It felt like my skin was on fire for hours, and I itched for the next week or so....

[Whyherro123 2283]

For those of you saying that a "primitive-style" bow and arrow wouldn't be able to effectively kill someone, watch this video. The bow is as "primitive" as it gets, being a direct copy of a Neolithic bow found in Britain. It has a realtively lightweight draw (from what I can figure), and the presenter is only using about half of the potential of the bow, yet it drives a stone-tipped arrow through the ribs of a pig carcass from 30 meters away.

 

[rybec 339]

I reckon that balloon is head size, maybe even a little smaller and he's firing with gusting wind.

Neat video. I like shooting my compound for fun at ~20-30 meters.

Remember though, that's a compound. With one you have the luxury of taking your time to aim. With the bow ingame, you'd spend a minimal amount of time aiming as you have the full strength of the bow fighting your arm. I'd say the 300m is absolutely impossible to make with a standard bow.

[GOD™ 2795]

This should help. The Whining 

 

[solodude23 649]

And a practiced shot, ranged, configured with a spotter.  He even isn't that confident about it.

The point is that the bow is capable of the range despite how practical it is to fire at something that far.

 

 

Simple, a bow does not have a 300-yard effective range. Any successful shot that far in DayZ should be a fluke.

 

Absolutely. But as it stands you can't make an arrow go 30m (perhaps exaggerated, I'm not positive on max range) with the improvised bow and that's the issue.

Edited October 26, 2014 by solodude23

[Abram_ 40]

The trick to a straight (horizontally) shot is to watch your hand sway, and fire once it's s to the far left.

It's not really viable past 40m or so. The do and the slow does of the site make it nigh useless beyond that. But it's pretty fun to build and use. More that we can gather feathers from coops. Still lemme that we cannot stack then. One father per slot. So silly.

Perhaps they'll make a recurve or compound bow one dsu. Remember they the game calls it a "short bow".

Edited October 26, 2014 by Abram_

[solodude23 649]

Still lemme that we cannot stack then. One father per slot. So silly.

Sure you can! I've stacked up to 8 so far. Just drag a feather over another and a dialogue should pop to offering to group the feathers.

[Finchtastic 50]

You are not going to be hitting any point target at 300 yards.

 

I am not saying bows have not been used at those distances in the past but they were used as part of volley fire large numbers of men firing at area targets occasionally hitting due to volleys.

 

You arent going to be hitting further than 50 yards at a point target. This is with modern compound bows with good sights too , a makeshift bow ahah good luck.

 

Sure you might find a video of a person hitting something at those ranges after lots of editing and camera magic.

 

It does not mean its feasible you would have a far far easier time hitting something at those ranges with just about any firearm. Yes bows are outdated equipment they are used for hunting not because they are good but because it makes hunting more challenging.

Outdated?  Then why does any given sports store have about 200 on the shelf of varying types?

[Accolyte 1727]

You arent going to be hitting further than 50 yards at a point target. This is with modern compound bows with good sights too

 

This is untrue. I am able to hit a 60cm diameter target (mostly within about 5-15cm around the centrer) at 120 yards with my recurve. That's really the absolute limit for accurate shooting with that particular bow though. A stronger recurve could possibly go up to 150 yards. 50yards is very easily doable and is pretty much the distance every "competitive" archer is training at in outdoors environment. 70 yards is still fairly comfortable shooting.

 

Depending on the quality of the makeshift bow I could imagine it could be dangerous up to 50 yards as well. But it will mostly be shite so the current in game model does seem alright.

Edited October 26, 2014 by Accolyte

[Whyherro123 2283]

The trick to a straight (horizontally) shot is to watch your hand sway, and fire once it's s to the far left.

It's not really viable past 40m or so. The do and the slow does of the site make it nigh useless beyond that. But it's pretty fun to build and use. More that we can gather feathers from coops. Still lemme that we cannot stack then. One father per slot. So silly.

Perhaps they'll make a recurve or compound bow one dsu. Remember they the game calls it a "short bow".

We can.....gather feathers from chicken coops? TELL ME MORE!

[Abram_ 40]

[quote name="Whyherro123"

We can.....gather feathers from chicken coops? TELL ME MORE!

Chicken coops are in back yard. Little chesy-high wooden blocks with a tiny ramp and a open hatch at bottom right. Walk up, and collect from there. Search success rate is pretty high.

I sideways knew they existed, but i didn't notice how abundant they were until i stayed looking for them.

.. I still have yet to see a Chicken.

Hmm, i guess thef silty to steel those feathers came with the last update. Good .

Edited October 26, 2014 by Abram_

[gibonez 3633]

Outdated? Then why does any given sports store have about 200 on the shelf of varying types?

I can also find 200 black powder muskets surely those are high end too right?

There's a reason there's bows and crossbows for sale. It's called recreational hunting you know for fun.

Bows and crossbows as weapons against humans are outdated by several hundreds of years

[Samuri_Bake_Pie 96]

I've noticed it shoots to the left past 50 yards as well. I'm sure they will fix it in time though. 

[Jex 1104]

 

Simple, a bow does not have a 300-yard effective range. Any successful shot that far in DayZ should be a fluke.

 

To which I then said, do you want to be down the end of the range with your head where that balloon is? Want to argue that it's not going to effectively go through your skull?