So M1 Garand has been confirmend...

[w1lg5r 70]

If we're going with that ethos, we can have katanas, dual-wield AS50s and 48" purple rubber cocks as melee weapons.

Not really, no. That fact that you think dual wielded AS50s is in any way comparable to an M1 Garand is silly.

[General Zod 1118]

Not really, no. That fact that you think dual wielded AS50s is in any way comparable to an M1 Garand is silly.

Word of the day

 

exaggeration

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noun

 

1. a statement that represents something as better or worse than it really is.

 

In this case the latter (worse). 

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Oh no, firearms not manufactured in the specific setting appearing in said setting.

 

The whole argument that guns should not appear simply because they're from one place or another is fallacious. Chernarus isn't the United States, but it also isn't Russia, so by that argument having an AKM is just as bad as having a 1911.

 

Word of the day

 

exaggeration

ɪɡˌzadʒəˈreɪʃ(ə)n/

noun

 

1. a statement that represents something as better or worse than it really is.

 

In this case the latter (worse). 

It's an extreme exaggeration, and a rather poor one, because it's equating two things.

 

One is a rather old (but popular and highly manufactured) rifle that doesn't appear too often in Soviet Bloc countries, the other is doing something that humans are physically incapable of (dual-wielding & firing 12.7x99mm anti-materiel rifles) and an oversized sexual stimulant device that isn't a weapon.

 

Now sure, arguing on the point blank statement of "it's fiction" you could say that ANYTHING is justified (And actually, that's not a wrong statement), but I'd reckon that it's more akin to altering history WITHIN reason. Chernarus is a fictional country, and we know it took part in World War II, so obviously the path of the war would not have gone exactly the same. Perhaps due to a larger deviation in the region, in addition to the country's proximity to Takistan (which has plenty of Lee-Enfields and thus would've been supported by the Allies), you could argue that more supplies were sent to the soviets, including in the form of M1 Garands.

That, and for gameplay, the Garand stands out and could end up as a decent flagship rifle for the .30-06 caliber, that's not at all excessive. In terms of the gameplay, dual-wielding AS50s would NOT be beneficial to the gameplay. Likewise, having a 48' dildo would be a fairly useless melee weapon, not to mention requiring animations for the flopping around, so there's no point in making it either.

 

 

Why not the Semi-Automatic Rifles developed in the closer country of Germany during World War Two


Where the hell is the Soviet SVT-40?


If the M1 Garand is implemented it will be the gateway to firearms in the U.S. appearing in Chernarus

The G41 and G43 were far less common than the M1 Garand, and require 7.92x57mm ammunition, which is not all too popular nowadays (compared to .30-06, which is one of the most common hunting cartridges on the planet). That, and the G43 is much more similar to the SVT-40 than the Garand is.

 

No one ever said that the SVT-40 wouldn't happen, in fact Chris Torchia stated a while ago that he wanted to make one. Just because one gun is confirmed before another doesn't inherently mean that only the first gun will make it into the game. I mean, everyone thought that the AKS-74U wasn't going to happen once they added the AK-101, but look where we are now.

 

They really don't need a "gateway" to add any weapons, especially considering that they have plenty of common North American firearms, like the LongHorn and Magnum. If your fear is that they'll add other World War II American weapons, then you need to see it through the argument the devs are using;

With the gameplay aspect in account, they're probably not going to add the M1 Carbine, considering it uses the .30 Carbine round. The Springfield is a possibility, but sporterized versions of these ARE common across Europe. The Thompson & Greasegun aren't the worst .45 SMGs they could add, either. The B.A.R. is the only real "bad" one, but I inherently disagree with your idea that they need a gateway to add other guns. They add what they want, and that seems to be mostly based off of what they feel will most benefit gameplay, along with a touch of realism.

 

That, and it HASN'T been confirmed. Everyone's throwing a fit about a gun that was only MENTIONED once.

 

I agree with Stukov. 

Murica or murica based :

M4

Amphibia

1911

Magnum

Sporter

Longhorn

and M1 garand is coming

 

Zi germany

Mp5

B95

p1

 

Czech republic

CR527

CR75 (made in cherno but based on Czech gun) 

 

Belgium / murica

FNX45

 

Poland 

Rak

 

 

Russian guns. 

Mosin

SKS 

AKM 

Makarov

IZHS

 

AK101 is an export version so this is debatable.

 

We have more murican guns than any other type. 

Of all of the confirmed/ingame weapons

United States of America:

• AWC Amphibia S (Amphibia S)
• Kimber Warrior (1911 & 1911 Engraved)
• Thompson Center Arms Contender (LongHorn)
• Colt Python (Magnum)
• FNX-45 | the FNX series is produced in the US
• Ruger 10/22 (Sporter-22)
• M4A1

Russia:

• Makarov IJ-70-17F (Makarov IJ70)
• AK-101 | Yes, the AK-101 is manufactured in Russia, so it still counts as a Russian gun, even if it was designed for export.
• AKM
• Mosin-Nagant M1891/30
• SVD Dragunov
• Baikal MP-133
• Baikal IZH-43
• AKS-74U

Austria:

• Steyr AUG

Germany:

• P1
• Heckler & Koch MP5K
• Blaser B95 (Blaze 95)
• RG17 (Derringer)

Czech Republic: (All CZR guns ingame are produced by Chernarus, but nonetheless)

• CZ-75 SP-01 SHADOW (CR75)
• CZ-527 (CR527)

Poland:

• PM-73 RAK

Yugoslavia:

• Yugo SKS M59/66

M1 Garand hasn't been confirmed so it's not up there. Of all of the weapons, there are actually MORE from Russia than in the US. The Python, FNX-45, Amphibia, and LongHorn, are the only ones you can really argue as for being "out of place", anyway, the rest of the guns are common internationally, and just happen to be made in the United States.

Likewise, those are only guns made in Russia ITSELF. The Czech Republic, Poland, and Yugoslavia all used to be a part of the Soviet Union, so you can really apply the guns to that region as a whole. The rest of the guns are also relatively normal and aren't jarring.

So there's no real argument to be made. (Not that basing your argument on the idea that the gun's manufacturing country is a good idea anyway, but I digress.)
 

[gibonez 3633]

If we're going with that ethos, we can have katanas, dual-wield AS50s and 48" purple rubber cocks as melee weapons.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRBhV1BcztU

 

Dayz if the military weapon people get their way.

[General Zod 1118]

M1 Garand hasn't been confirmed so it's not up there. Of all of the weapons, there are actually MORE from Russia than in the US. The Python, FNX-45, Amphibia, and LongHorn, are the only ones you can really argue as for being "out of place", anyway, the rest of the guns are common internationally, and just happen to be made in the United States.

Likewise, those are only guns made in Russia ITSELF. The Czech Republic, Poland, and Yugoslavia all used to be a part of the Soviet Union, so you can really apply the guns to that region as a whole. The rest of the guns are also relatively normal and aren't jarring.

So there's no real argument to be made. (Not that basing your argument on the idea that the gun's manufacturing country is a good idea anyway, but I digress.)

 

Yes at some point in future we will have russian guns, but they add another american gun before long awaited Dragunov that's just not cool. As for out of place, chernarus is rather poor by the look of "towns" so we wouldn't be exactly finding expensive guns such as Blaze 95 or many imported weapons, because of the cost of importing guns.  

We should have more guns like CR527, your medium tier hunting guns, with fixed magnification scope. Instead we are going towards mostly military armament. 

[agentstaple 29]

Yes at some point in future we will have russian guns, but they add another american gun before long awaited Dragunov that's just not cool. As for out of place, chernarus is rather poor by the look of "towns" so we wouldn't be exactly finding expensive guns such as Blaze 95 or many imported weapons, because of the cost of importing guns.  

We should have more guns like CR527, your medium tier hunting guns, with fixed magnification scope. Instead we are going towards mostly military armament. 

And it's likely all temporary. Loot tables will change. Guns will become more rare and more civilian guns will be added. Chill, long way to go yet. It's not our place to decide what gets added first.

[escobert 112]

Why M1 garand? Cuz CoD shooter wanna be... Those are the only kiddies playing standalone. Ammarite?

It's in the mod...

[gibonez 3633]

Why M1 garand? Cuz CoD shooter wanna be... Those are the only kiddies playing standalone. Ammarite?

 

The COD shooters rather see something like this instead.

 

 

The cod kiddies would absolutely hate the m1 garand, no accessories no acogs or silencers for that m1 garand just iron sgiths.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Yes at some point in future we will have russian guns, but they add another american gun before long awaited Dragunov that's just not cool. As for out of place, chernarus is rather poor by the look of "towns" so we wouldn't be exactly finding expensive guns such as Blaze 95 or many imported weapons, because of the cost of importing guns.  

We should have more guns like CR527, your medium tier hunting guns, with fixed magnification scope. Instead we are going towards mostly military armament. 

You're going two different ways with this reply. First you say that we shouldn't be finding guns like the Blaze 95 and that adding a derringer before the SVD was somehow wrong, yet you then describe how we're "going towards mostly military armament" (which is entirely false.)

 

Last I checked, no military forces use the Blaze 95, and derringers haven't been service pistols for a very long time, so they're clearly not driving us towards a completely military-based arsenal.

 

The SVD has been done for quite some time, but it hasn't been implemented into the public versions, simply because the developers wish to wait until the loot management system is at a full ready state, considering the power and utility of long-ranged guns. I wouldn't be concerned with the realism of weapons until we reach 1.0, as developing them out of realistic order is something we'll just have to deal with.

If they release the first "main release" version and the guns are still skewed, then is the time to argue, but the final weapons list has already been planned out, so we're in no position to judge how it's going until we actually get to the end.

[w1lg5r 70]

Word of the day

 

exaggeration

ɪɡˌzadʒəˈreɪʃ(ə)n/

noun

 

1. a statement that represents something as better or worse than it really is.

 

In this case the latter (worse). 

You don't say... Anyway it was a huge overreaction and to call the M1 garand hugely out of place/unrealistic/game-ruining to the same degree as things that would truly break the game is ridiculous.

 

It's in the mod...

You are thinking of the M14?

Edited October 7, 2014 by lootable

[agentstaple 29]

 

You don't say... Anyway it was a huge overreaction and to call the M1 garand hugely out of place/unrealistic/game-ruining to the same degree as things that would truly break the game is ridiculous.

 

You are thinking of the M14?

 

Or maybe the Lee Enfield? God I miss that thing.

[General Zod 1118]

You're going two different ways with this reply. First you say that we shouldn't be finding guns like the Blaze 95 and that adding a derringer before the SVD was somehow wrong, yet you then describe how we're "going towards mostly military armament" (which is entirely false.)

 

Last I checked, no military forces use the Blaze 95, and derringers haven't been service pistols for a very long time, so they're clearly not driving us towards a completely military-based arsenal.

 

The SVD has been done for quite some time, but it hasn't been implemented into the public versions, simply because the developers wish to wait until the loot management system is at a full ready state, considering the power and utility of long-ranged guns. I wouldn't be concerned with the realism of weapons until we reach 1.0, as developing them out of realistic order is something we'll just have to deal with.

If they release the first "main release" version and the guns are still skewed, then is the time to argue, but the final weapons list has already been planned out, so we're in no position to judge how it's going until we actually get to the end.

Ok allow me clarify.

I'm saying we don't have anywhere near enough common hunting rifles such as CR527 as we should. And that Blaze would be very rare considering it's price.

However if we are going to add military guns which M1 is (might not be in service but it a military gun) we should be getting the russian guns first. 

As for me being wrong about going military 

We have more military or ex military rifles than we have civilian 

M4

AKM

AK101

SKS (ex mill but still mill)

Mosin (ex mill but still mill)

and soon the M1 (ex mill but still mill)

 

Civilian 

Blaze 95 

CR527

Sporter...

 

And I know it's early stage but devs already seem to be moving to military or ex military gear. 

Edited October 7, 2014 by General Zod

[Askelon 36]

Ok allow me clarify.

I'm saying we don't have anywhere near enough common hunting rifles such as CR527 as we should. And that Blaze would be very rare considering it's price.

However if we are going to add military guns which M1 is (might not be in service but it a military gun) we should be getting the russian guns first. 

As for me being wrong about going military 

We have more military or ex military rifles than we have civilian 

M4

AKM

AK101

SKS (ex mill but still mill)

Mosin (ex mill but still mill)

and soon the M1 (ex mill but still mill)

 

Civilian 

Blaze 95 

CR527

Sporter...

 

And I know it's early stage but devs already seem to be moving to military or ex military gear. 

The Mosin, SKS, and M1 Garand have been out of service for a LONG time. They aren't in use in any armed forces. They might be Ex-military, yes, but does it matter? They are in civilian hands now, and it isn't like they are pimped out assault rifles, 9,001 round magazine, fully automatic weapons.

Edited October 8, 2014 by Askelon

[gibonez 3633]

Ok allow me clarify.

I'm saying we don't have anywhere near enough common hunting rifles such as CR527 as we should. And that Blaze would be very rare considering it's price.

However if we are going to add military guns which M1 is (might not be in service but it a military gun) we should be getting the russian guns first. 

As for me being wrong about going military 

We have more military or ex military rifles than we have civilian 

M4

AKM

AK101

SKS (ex mill but still mill)

Mosin (ex mill but still mill)

and soon the M1 (ex mill but still mill)

 

Civilian 

Blaze 95 

CR527

Sporter...

 

And I know it's early stage but devs already seem to be moving to military or ex military gear. 

 

I really hope they start adding more hunting rifles and focus on adding weapons in the starter calibers of the game such as .22lr and some of the pistol rounds in the form of carbines or bolt action rifles.

[General Zod 1118]

The Mosin, SKS, and M1 Garand have been out of service for a LONG time. They aren't in use in any armed forces. They might be Ex-military, yes, but does it matter? They are in civilian hands now, and it isn't like they are pimped out assault rifles, 9,001 round magazine, fully automatic weapons.

It does matter, odds of finding M1 in place like chernarus are ridiculously low. Like gibonez and I said, they should calm down with the ex military 100 years old rifles and start adding basic civilian hunting riles. You can see that chernarus is poor from a mile away, do you thing they would import M1 from america ? Because since it's out of service there is no other way for it to make it there. 

[agouti 105]

The COD shooters rather see something like this instead.

 

 

 

The cod kiddies would absolutely hate the m1 garand, no accessories no acogs or silencers for that m1 garand just iron sgiths.

 

Oh baby, look at that scope and muzzle attachment.

 

 

 

 

It does matter, odds of finding M1 in place like chernarus are ridiculously low. Like gibonez and I said, they should calm down with the ex military 100 years old rifles and start adding basic civilian hunting riles. You can see that chernarus is poor from a mile away, do you thing they would import M1 from america ? Because since it's out of service there is no other way for it to make it there. 

 

 

The Garand, and the mosin nagant for that matter are common hunting rifles. Even the sks is. The garand used to be more common in years past when the CMP was a government funded project trying to practically give them away. All of these surplus rifles made and continue to make cheap hunting rifles. You ever go looking to buy a well made hunting rifle brand new? They're expensive man. There's a reason people use old military stuff.

 

I bought my sks for like $300 because it's cheaper than an AK and no way am I using a mini-14. I live in a wooded area where you'd be lucky to shoot 100 yards, and I dislike the recoil of the 30-06, so it fits me perfectly. Of course today you can buy a vz 58 for $400 which is lighter, handier, and just better. Who could have predicted that?

Edited October 8, 2014 by agouti

[Chaingunfighter 917]

 

Oh baby, look at that scope and muzzle attachment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Garand, and the mosin nagant for that matter are common hunting rifles. Even the sks is. The garand used to be more common in years past when the CMP was a government funded project trying to practically give them away. All of these surplus rifles made and continue to make cheap hunting rifles. You ever go looking to buy a well made hunting rifle brand new? They're expensive man. There's a reason people use old military stuff.

 

I bought my sks for like $300 because it's cheaper than an AK and no way am I using a mini-14. I live in a wooded area where you'd be lucky to shoot 100 yards, and I dislike the recoil of the 30-06, so it fits me perfectly. Of course today you can buy a vz 58 for $400 which is lighter, handier, and just better. Who could have predicted that?

Having an old Soviet rifle like a Mosin-Nagant or SKS is something you KNOW you can at least rely on in a pinch. They're not at all the best of their fields but in reliability they'll certainly take you further than most guns.

Plus, they're dirt cheap, so you're not going to blow a hole in your pocket trying to get one (at least some of the more common ones, like the M38, M44, and M91/30)

 

In my experience I absolutely love the Mini-14, though. Not sure why they seem so unpopular to many people.

[agouti 105]

Having an old Soviet rifle like a Mosin-Nagant or SKS is something you KNOW you can at least rely on in a pinch. They're not at all the best of their fields but in reliability they'll certainly take you further than most guns.

Plus, they're dirt cheap, so you're not going to blow a hole in your pocket trying to get one (at least some of the more common ones, like the M38, M44, and M91/30)

 

In my experience I absolutely love the Mini-14, though. Not sure why they seem so unpopular to many people.

 

I meant to say mini-30. The earlier ones had thin barrels. Terribly accuracy. I've read reports of 5 inch groups. My sks can do under 3. I've heard the problem has been resolved (the new production uses thicker barrels], but with $400 vz58, that's quite some competition. Maybe some people would rather buy american, or want a sight closer to the bore, like for squirrels, idk.

Edited October 8, 2014 by agouti

[General Zod 1118]

 

 

I bought my sks for like $300 because it's cheaper than an AK and no way am I using a mini-14. I live in a wooded area where you'd be lucky to shoot 100 yards, and I dislike the recoil of the 30-06, so it fits me perfectly. Of course today you can buy a vz 58 for $400 which is lighter, handier, and just better. Who could have predicted that?

You can get better rifle than the SKS for $300 at least in Europe. Considering how low manufacturing standards were for those guns.

Edited October 8, 2014 by General Zod

[gemellus 77]

Make the gun lists shape the lore.

Chernarus has a revolution against the communist dictatorship during the 1950s or 1960s like Hungary or Czechoslovakia. The US arms the rebels with WW2 surplus like the Garand like the Bay of Pigs invasion. Old guerllia fighters from the revolution keep their Garands in sheds as keepsakes and personal defense.

There, Garands now make sense in Chernarus.

[-Gews- 7443]

There, Garands now make sense in Chernarus.

 

Nooo... 

 

Come on, just admit it. Garand doesn't fit at all. :lol: One can come up with fantastic explanations for any conceivable item (local zoo was destroyed! Now tigers and gorillas roam South Zagoria!)

As said, just admit it, the rifle simply doesn't "fit" ;) "fit" meaning it is at least a somewhat common item or class of item to find in Chernarus-like countries... not that there are merely a couple dozen in some random collections... if you don't care about its authenticity and just like the gun, whatever, but what annoys me is the odd and unnecessarily reaching backstories that would really stretch suspension of disbelief... in any post-Soviet country Garands are not at all common ∴ Garand does not "fit". Simple! Maybe one wants to add it anyways! Okay! Just no "weird or what?" explanations please :lol:

[rybec 339]

Where the hell is the Soviet SVT-40?

No kidding.

 

I sure hope the people looking to find a garand won't have to wait a decade to find a single En-bloc.

[w1lg5r 70]

Ok allow me clarify.

I'm saying we don't have anywhere near enough common hunting rifles such as CR527 as we should. And that Blaze would be very rare considering it's price.

However if we are going to add military guns which M1 is (might not be in service but it a military gun) we should be getting the russian guns first. 

As for me being wrong about going military 

We have more military or ex military rifles than we have civilian 

M4

AKM

AK101

SKS (ex mill but still mill)

Mosin (ex mill but still mill)

and soon the M1 (ex mill but still mill)

 

Civilian 

Blaze 95 

CR527

Sporter...

 

And I know it's early stage but devs already seem to be moving to military or ex military gear. 

 

In reality, there would be a huge amount of military rifles, because every soldier is going to be deployed. In reality, there would be BMPs, Hinds etc to combat it. Obviously these are game-breaking examples but you can get the point that although it is probably better for the game for it not to go all out M4s spawning everywhere, the very argument for a majority of civilian weaponry is flawed by realism. Also, proper military rifles (e.g. M4s, AKs) are being spawned at crashes alone now AFAIK.

Edited October 8, 2014 by lootable

[General Zod 1118]

In reality, there would be a huge amount of military rifles, because every soldier is going to be deployed. In reality, there would be BMPs, Hinds etc to combat it. Obviously these are game-breaking examples but you can get the point that although it is probably better for the game for it not to go all out M4s spawning everywhere, the very argument for a majority of civilian weaponry is flawed by realism. Also, proper military rifles (e.g. M4s, AKs) are being spawned at crashes alone now AFAIK.

Following your logic store shelves should be full of food, houses full of clothes and knifes and can openers, working cars everywhere. 

They are not, meaning all those things where taken by someone already, so were the military guns. Which is the scenario we have here, events some considerable time after the society collapse. 

Another problem is that it's easier to find several 75 drum mags than one mag for a handgun. 

Edited October 8, 2014 by General Zod

[agouti 105]

Ok allow me clarify.

I'm saying we don't have anywhere near enough common hunting rifles such as CR527 as we should. And that Blaze would be very rare considering it's price.

However if we are going to add military guns which M1 is (might not be in service but it a military gun) we should be getting the russian guns first. 

As for me being wrong about going military 

We have more military or ex military rifles than we have civilian 

M4

AKM

AK101

SKS (ex mill but still mill)

Mosin (ex mill but still mill)

and soon the M1 (ex mill but still mill)

 

Civilian 

Blaze 95 

CR527

Sporter...

 

And I know it's early stage but devs already seem to be moving to military or ex military gear. 

 

 

I'm aware that in certain countries, you are not allowed to own military caliber guns, and so slight derivations are often necessary. In the Us the only requirement is no full auto, even short barreled rifles are allowed for a measly $200 tax. That being said, many commercial rifles are either of questionable reliability (for the semi-autos], or are quite expensive. For this reason in the Us, there is quite an overlap between military rifles and "hunting" rifles to the point where it becomes more or less pointless to try to distinguish the two. A great deal many bolt action rifles are blatant copies of the original mauser design, which was originally created as a military weapon. The remington 700, one of the most prolific hunting rifles in america, when chambered for the 7.62 nato and accurized, is called the m24 (a sniper rifle]. The BAR by browning (not the military rifle, the civilian repeating rifle] is quite expensive, and in most cases, it's just easier to repurpose an old military rifle due to cost.

Many of the cheaper american bolt rifles are really designed to be used only once or twice a year as well. With all this being said, either be prepared to shell out some cash or just buy old military stuff.

Instead of getting an older (the older ones were better] remington 700, I picked up a k31 for 1/3 of the price. It suits me just fine.