This game is and always will be way too military focused by players

[ryanincalgary 20]

F that. Give us more guns, more ammo and a x100 time more zombies wandering in herds around the countryside.

[chodeofwar 145]

Oh god not another one of these threads.

 

[gibonez 3633]

Far from it

 

Stand alone all weapons = 32

Dayz mod = 41 if you do not count variants of the same gun with say an acog

 

so yea stand alone is getting really close to having just as many guns as the mod.

[barnabus 1708]

Don't forget this is Russia not Missouri.  Russian police, typically, have AK's coming out of thier ears.  Who do you think really carried the burden in Chechnya?  It was the militarized police units once they figured out the Army was not trained for that (not to mention being seriously pissed off at being sent into what they thought of as another Afghanistan).  Yes, they have fully equipped armored (T64) and mechinaized (BMP) police regiments in Russia.  Even the formerly known as Militia units (renamed Police a few years ago) have tons of AK's.  You can't just dump them out of the game. 

 

http://www.ospreypublishing.com/store/Russian-Security-and-Paramilitary-Forces-since-1991_9781780961057

 

Yeah, the M4 should be so rare that it is non existant, in fact, I would not be sad to see it out altogather.  

Edited August 16, 2014 by Barnabus

[gibonez 3633]

Don't forget this is Russia not Missouri.  Russian police, typically, have AK's coming out of thier ears.  Who do you think really carried the burden in Chechnya?  It was the militarized police units once they figured out the Army was not trained for that (not to mention being seriously pissed off at being sent into what they thought of as another Afghanistan).  Yes, they have fully equipped armored (T64) and mechinaized (BMP) police regiments in Russia.  Even the formerly known as Militia units (renamed Police a few years ago) have tons of AK's.  You can't just dump them out of the game. 

 

http://www.ospreypublishing.com/store/Russian-Security-and-Paramilitary-Forces-since-1991_9781780961057

 

Yeah, the M4 should be so rare that it is non existant, in fact, I would not be sad to see it out altogather.  

 

I don't think people ever complained when the akm or any other Eastern Weapon was added.

 

They complain when out of place western stuff is added.

[Evaris 61]

I don't think people ever complained when the akm or any other Eastern Weapon was added.

 

They complain when out of place western stuff is added.

The question is what constitutes "out of place"?  If we had a conflict between east and west recently in the area - and there is UN involvement in the zombie outbreak, this opens up many weapons to plausibly exist, rare to be sure, but many weapons like the G36 and the M4 would be found.  (from the zombified or killed soldiers.) 

 

And in terms of civilian arms, I am highly hoping that the AR-15 will make an appearance, due to it's worldwide popularity, even in eastern europe.  I know of at least two companies in the Czech Republic and one in Georgia who manufacture the AR-15, let alone all the western European powers who manufacture and export to the former soviet nations.  

 

Not all "western" stuff is out of place.  We can also look at the M16, which is used by the post-soviet Baltic states, along with the M14.  The M4 is used by Serbia and Kosovo armed forces, and Georgia operates a very similar rifle with a short-stroke upper receiver  (and yes, it's still in 5.56).  The H&K 416 is popular among special forces groups across the world, including much of Eastern Europe.  But probably most common of "western" assault rifles would be the G36 is used by the Czech Republic, Kosovo, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Serbia, Slovakia... basically a good chunk, if not most of Eastern Europe.    Of course these are just looking at AR's, and not SMGs, PDWs, or civilian weapons - but things need to be looked at by a case-by-case basis.  "western" weapons aren't really out of place as much as a lot of people think.

[Katana67 2907]

I don't think people ever complained when the akm or any other Eastern Weapon was added.

 

They complain when out of place western stuff is added.

 

No, you complained far worse when the AK-101 was added (a weapon manufactured in Izhevsk).

 

And I don't recall people complaining about the M1911. Or the FNX. Or the Amphibia S.

 

And even if they did, doesn't mean they know what they want... or are talking about... and it certainly doesn't mean they're correct.

 

Speak for yourself. Stop hiding behind the "community" which you cannot speak for.

Edited August 16, 2014 by Katana67

[Katana67 2907]

The question is what constitutes "out of place"?

 

What he feels to be out of place.

 

That's it, and that's all.

[hellcane 63]

that's not what I said. Learn to read. It's the easy to acquire military gear vs those who are not trying to play CoD. It causes a huge imbalance.

You bitch about military gear being easy to get. You bitch about people with military gear pvping. You bitch about pvp in general. You imply/say that you want military gear to go away so you can be left alone to hug trees.

What makes you think that less military gear will do anything about kos?

What makes you think military gear causes kos?

Also, a new one:

What makes you think there is something unbalanced when everyone can get the same gear?

I get it. You want there to be very few guns because you think that will make everyone hold hands and skip into cooperative zombie farming while sharing loot and licking rocks to eat the moss. Well....that won't happen.

[gibonez 3633]

No, you complained far worse when the AK-101 was added

 

 

The 101 complaining from me and others is not because of the weapon itself. The complaint is why it was added and the compromise it represents.

 

A compromise alot of people see as unneeded. Adding the 101 means to alot of us a greater push to streamline the game and perhaps water down things.

[Katana67 2907]

The 101 complaining from me and others is not because of the weapon itself. The complaint is why it was added and the compromise it represents.

 

A compromise alot of people see as unneeded. Adding the 101 means to alot of us a greater push to streamline the game and perhaps water down things.

 

All of which, has to do with the fact that it's not called the AK-74M and that it fires 5.56x45 (a "western" round).

 

You complained when they added rails for the AK. You complained (and still do) about the LRS being on the Mosin. You complain about every... single... thing.

 

You post vitriolic, rule-breaking, and unnecessary images to deride something that you don't like.

 

It would be different if you just had an opposing view from me. Honestly, I have no issue with that. I disagree with Gews plenty, but he has two things you do not - consistency and reason.

 

You wield things like "community," "feeling," "realism," and "settings" as if you are talking about fact. When all you're talking about, is your own personal idea of what DayZ should be. Which in any other context would be fine, if it weren't being purported as fact. And, if it weren't used in a disparately broad context to indict the developers whenever they do something you don't like.

 

As if they're somehow betraying what DayZ is, or was.

 

That and you apply your arguments inconsistently. Which I demonstrate on a daily basis.

Edited August 16, 2014 by Katana67

[gibonez 3633]

All of which, has to do with the fact that it's not called the AK-74M and that it fires 5.56x45 (a "western" round).

 

No.

 

If it were that simple nobody would complain the more the merrier more eastern weapons awesome. 

 

People including me complain because they wonder why there even had to be a compromise to begin with ?

We wonder why there must be a need for restricting the number of calibers on why streamlining is even a factor.

[freethink 984]

I get it. You want there to be very few guns because you think that will make everyone hold hands and skip into cooperative zombie farming while sharing loot and licking rocks to eat the moss. Well....that won't happen.

:D I lolled

[Katana67 2907]

People including me complain because they wonder why there even had to be a compromise to begin with ?

We wonder why there must be a need for restricting the number of calibers on why streamlining is even a factor.

 

You can sideline the argument all you like.

 

The language used to dismiss the AK-101 was based in the fact that it's an export model chambered in 5.56 (a "Western" round). Not a domestic model chambered in 5.45x39 (an "Eastern" round).

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

You bitch about military gear being easy to get. You bitch about people with military gear pvping. You bitch about pvp in general. You imply/say that you want military gear to go away so you can be left alone to hug trees.

What makes you think that less military gear will do anything about kos?

What makes you think military gear causes kos?

Also, a new one:

What makes you think there is something unbalanced when everyone can get the same gear?

I get it. You want there to be very few guns because you think that will make everyone hold hands and skip into cooperative zombie farming while sharing loot and licking rocks to eat the moss. Well....that won't happen.

Do you know how to read?  Obviously not..  Now pay close attention.  Not everyone playing DayZ, you following so far?, wants to play CoD.  There are players out there, which I never once stated was me, who try to play DayZ outside of PvP.  Still with me here?  With the very easy to acquire military gear those players who do not wish to play Army boy are boned.   Couple server hops and you're pretty much fully decked out and then off to the coast to show your leet PvP skills against people who are unarmed and trying to play the game outside of CoD.  Get it?   PvP is the easy mode of DayZ.  Plain and simple.  That is where this game is hugely imbalanced and so far Bohemia has shown no sign of even making surviving remotely hard.

[freethink 984]

Do you know how to read?  Obviously not..  Now pay close attention.  Not everyone playing DayZ, you following so far?, wants to play CoD.  There are players out there, which I never once stated was me, who try to play DayZ outside of PvP.  Still with me here?  With the very easy to acquire military gear those players who do not wish to play Army boy are boned.   Couple server hops and you're pretty much fully decked out and then off to the coast to show your leet PvP skills against people who are unarmed and trying to play the game outside of CoD.  Get it?   PvP is the easy mode of DayZ.  Plain and simple.  That is where this game is hugely imbalanced and so far Bohemia has shown no sign of even making surviving remotely hard.

 

I'd love to know how you people got the impression that dayz was intended to be pve. The mod wasn't and they are adding an awful lot of guns to the game so perhaps people seeking pve are playing the wrong game.

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

I'd love to know how you people got the impression that dayz was intended to be pve. The mod wasn't and they are adding an awful lot of guns to the game so perhaps people seeking pve are playing the wrong game.

Becasue the Mod was still based off of an ARMY sim.  Is the really hard to figure out?

[freethink 984]

Becasue the Mod was still based off of an ARMY sim.  Is the really hard to figure out?

And what's the sa based off?

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

And what's the sa based off?

I will let you try and figure that one out yourself.  

[gibonez 3633]

Becasue the Mod was still based off of an ARMY sim.  Is the really hard to figure out?

 

I would go further than that.

 

The mod was Arma 2.

 

Dayz mod was just arma 2 with a few sprinkles of persistence and zombies.

 

Standalone is their chance to set it apart and one way that they can do that as they have already done is by making it focused on regular ordinary human survivors.

[Katana67 2907]

one way that they can do that as they have already done is by making it focused on regular ordinary human survivors.

 

One of many ways. Luckily, they are reasonable and don't view the mere inclusion of military gear as some sort of illogical affront to their own vision (hence why they've added it).

 

It's also worth mentioning (even though it should be blatantly obvious) that they've added more "civilian" gear than military gear as of yet. So, which is it... is DayZ absolutely flooded with military gear or does it already have a distinct focus on "civilian" gear? Because I've seen you use both arguments, even though they're contradictory.

 

And can regular, ordinary, humans get military gear? Yes! Can they wear it? Sure! Can they fire an assault rifle? I sure can!

 

I also find it ironic that someone who's campaigned vehemently for the "realistic" and in-depth long-range shooting of ARMA/ACE is now decrying the very thought of DayZ as having originated from ARMA. Should they toss that too, because it was in ARMA?

[freethink 984]

Standalone is their chance to set it apart and one way that they can do that as they have already done is by making it focused on regular ordinary human survivors.

 

So a wildly popular mod gets to go to standalone and your idea is to make it different from the thing that made it so successful and anyone disagrees is just into cod.

 

Why don't you just hide in the woods in sa? It's easily possible to live off the land and avoid other players instead of trying to force everyone else to play in a way that the majority of people aren't interested in.

[hellcane 63]

Do you know how to read? Obviously not.. Now pay close attention. Not everyone playing DayZ, you following so far?, wants to play CoD. There are players out there, which I never once stated was me, who try to play DayZ outside of PvP. Still with me here? With the very easy to acquire military gear those players who do not wish to play Army boy are boned. Couple server hops and you're pretty much fully decked out and then off to the coast to show your leet PvP skills against people who are unarmed and trying to play the game outside of CoD. Get it? PvP is the easy mode of DayZ. Plain and simple. That is where this game is hugely imbalanced and so far Bohemia has shown no sign of even making surviving remotely hard.

Still shedding tears over those evil pvpers with military loot while claiming you are not? OK. Plus, I am pretty sure everyone playing dayz doesn't want to be playing COD...or they would be.

Yes, you never said outright that you were one of those pve minded people, however a child can tell your persuasion due to the "cod" "leet PvP" "army boy" and so on. You will learn how to do this as well once you pass out of grade school and start developing social skills. If you want a nice pve experience, wait for private shards and buy a passworded server to have your pve wonderland on.

Also, I know you are all big on pve and think it is the proper way to play that takes dedication and immense skill to loot towns, but surviving without PvP is incredibly easy.

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

Still shedding tears over those evil pvpers with military loot while claiming you are not? OK. Plus, I am pretty sure everyone playing dayz doesn't want to be playing COD...or they would be.

Yes, you never said outright that you were one of those pve minded people, however a child can tell your persuasion due to the "cod" "leet PvP" "army boy" and so on. You will learn how to do this as well once you pass out of grade school and start developing social skills. If you want a nice pve experience, wait for private shards and buy a passworded server to have your pve wonderland on.

Also, I know you are all big on pve and think it is the proper way to play that takes dedication and immense skill to loot towns, but surviving without PvP is incredibly easy.

Still haven't learned to read have you?  Begone troll

[freethink 984]

Still haven't learned to read have you?  Begone troll

 

What you are doing is classic concern trolling imo.