CZ527 rifle

[Xbow 362]

I am not particularly impressed with the CZ527 because:

 

•There is no scope available for it (something like a PU scope with Weaver rings would have been swell)

• the zombies are massing a bit more(it is not at all uncommon to he assaulted by four or five of those buggers in a crappy little town 

• it has a small 5 round magazine (I only had one magazine) and it has a slow reload especially if you have only one magazine. 

•when you switch to your primary rifle it ends up on the ground (naturally). Then you have to find it which isn't always easy

 

For those reasons I just tossed the one I had into a ditch that is choked by tall grass and brush. I was using it as an in hand weapon that allowed me to keep my M4A1 on my shoulder to conserve 5.56ammo. An SKS is a better choice than a CZ527 for an in hand weapon if you plan on packing two long guns but as I have learned that is a pain in the ass.

 

The CR527 should be as common as the double rifle as it would make a good starting rifle for a player that needs to rebuild his arsenal and gear inventory.. 

 

I am now on a quest to find a Longhorn. I can store that bugger in a protector case along with 40 rounds of 7.62 x 54r ammo and put it on a hot key.

 

For me I think the magic combination will be:

[1] M4A1, [2]Longhorn (I have a .357 in slot 2 now), [3] CR75 [4] .22 Amphibia S

 

Note: I wish they would allow a scope for the .357 as that would probably beat the hell out of a Longhorn because of its 6 round capacity.

 

So what are your thoughts on the CZ527 and how is the Longhorn?

Edited August 2, 2014 by Xbow

[Deathlove 2286]

I would use it if the 5 round magazines were more common. Currently those CZ rifle magazines are so incredibly hard to find its just not worth maintaining them. Also they are SO hard to spot sometimes because they just so damn small. Also add in the fact you CANNOT chamber the damn gun with single rounds makes it very useless without a magazine.

Edited August 2, 2014 by Deathlove

[trev186 389]

I am not particularly impressed with the CZ527 because:

 

•There is no scope available for it (something like a PU scope with Weaver rings would have been swell)

• the zombies are massing a bit more(it is not at all uncommon to he assaulted by four or five of those buggers in a crappy little town 

• it has a small 5 round magazine (I only had one magazine) and it has a slow reload especially if you have only one magazine. 

•when you switch to your primary rifle it ends up on the ground (naturally). Then you have to find it which isn't always easy

 

For those reasons I just tossed the one I had into a ditch that is choked by tall grass and brush. I was using it as an in hand weapon that allowed me to keep my M4A1 on my shoulder to conserve 5.56ammo. An SKS is a better choice than a CZ527 for an in hand weapon if you plan on packing two long guns but as I have learned that is a pain in the ass.

 

The CR527 should be as common as the double rifle as it would make a good starting rifle for a player that needs to rebuild his arsenal and gear inventory.. 

 

I am now on a quest to find a Longhorn. I can store that bugger in a protector case along with 40 rounds of 7.62 x 54r ammo and put it on a hot key.

 

For me the magic combination will be:

[1] M4A1, [2]Longhorn (I have a .357 in slot 2 now), [3] CR75 [4] .22 Amphibia S

 

Note: I wish they would allow a scope for the .357 as that would probably beat the hell out of a Longhorn because of its 6 round capacity.

 

So what are your thoughts on the CZ527 and how is the Longhorn?

 

 

The longhorn's range and scope suck

 

Do not bother with it the SKS is better at range then the longhorn is with a better scope in the PU scope and can be ranged

 

Upclose obviously the SKS rocks the long horns world

 

The longhorn would only be decent if it had an LRS on it cause then it would be a pocket sniper rifle but it is not 

[Katana67 2907]

Errr.

 

1. They plan on adding a scope, they're not done.

 

2. Your second bit doesn't mention the CR527 at all, so I can't comment.

 

3. However your third bit contradicts what I assume you meant with the second. A five round magazine should be enough to take out "four or five of those buggers."

 

4. Your fourth bit is curious, this happens with every weapon that you "take into hands" and isn't peculiar to the CR527. You seem to be taking issue with the fact that you can't carry two primaries at the same time.

 

You should not be able to carry four weapons as normal. I hope they get around to putting in a "weight/stamina" system ASAP.

 

I would use it if the 5 round magazines were more common. Currently those CZ rifle magazines are so incredibly hard to find its just not worth maintaining them. Also they are SO hard to spot sometimes because they just so damn small. Also add in the fact you CANNOT chamber the damn gun with single rounds makes it very useless without a magazine.

 

I can chamber it with single rounds just fine as of five minutes ago on stable.

Edited August 2, 2014 by Katana67

[Deathlove 2286]

Errr.

 

1. They plan on adding a scope, they're not done.

 

2. Your second bit doesn't mention the CR527 at all, so I can't comment.

 

3. However your third bit contradicts what I assume you meant with the second. A five round magazine should be enough to take out "four or five of those buggers."

 

4. Your fourth bit is curious, this happens with every weapon that you "take into hands" and isn't peculiar to the CR527. You seem to be taking issue with the fact that you can't carry two primaries at the same time.

 

You should not be able to carry four weapons as normal. I hope they get around to putting in a "weight/stamina" system ASAP.

 

 

I can chamber it with single rounds just fine as of five minutes ago on stable.

Really? They must have fixed it on stable. Ill have to take a look again when i find one.

[Katana67 2907]

Really? They must have fixed it on stable. Ill have to take a look again when i find one.

 

Yeah, was leaving Zelenogorsk and found one for the first time. Slung the AK-101 over my back and left the city popping zombies every 50 yards or so. Worked like a dream, apart from an art glitch which shows the single chambered round hovering a few inches below the rifle itself.

[Bororm 1156]

I can confirm you can chamber the CZ527

 

I also don't think the mags are that terribly rare as I've killed a lot of people with them, even on the first day of the patch.  I will admit though, I have not found one spawned and don't actually know where they do spawn.

 

 

Overall I wasn't expecting to like the CZ527 to begin with, as it seems to offer nothing over a mosin.  However, after actually using it a little (just to plink some zombies) it's not that bad.  I dig the animation and looks more than I thought I would.  Hopefully when it gets its own scope it will have some sort of "advantage" such as mildots or something, compared to the mosin.  Not all guns need to be equal though.

 

In the end player skill and personal preference usually win out.  Also, don't forget style points.

Edited August 2, 2014 by Bororm

[Katana67 2907]

I can confirm you can chamber the CZ527

 

I also don't think the mags are that terribly rare as I've killed a lot of people with them, even on the first day of the patch.  I will admit though, I have not found one spawned and don't actually know where they do spawn.

 

I've only ever found the mags in military buildings.

[Deathlove 2286]

I can confirm you can chamber the CZ527

 

I also don't think the mags are that terribly rare as I've killed a lot of people with them, even on the first day of the patch.  I will admit though, I have not found one spawned and don't actually know where they do spawn.

 

 

Overall I wasn't expecting to like the CZ527 to begin with, as it seems to offer nothing over a mosin.  However, after actually using it a little (just to plink some zombies) it's not that bad.  I dig the animation and looks more than I thought I would.  Hopefully when it gets its own scope it will have some sort of "advantage" such as mildots or something, compared to the mosin.  Not all guns need to be equal though.

 

In the end player skill and personal preference usually win out.  Also, don't forget style points.

Yeah because anyplace else and iv been to allot of houses has a very slim chance of finding those magazines. If any place im thinking ppl nab them from its possibly the tents near the military bases. Thats the only place you really find a solid amount of attachments and civilian pistol magazines at besides military jailhouse bunkers and barracks.

[d.walker43 196]

I am not particularly impressed with the CZ527 because:

 

•There is no scope available for it (something like a PU scope with Weaver rings would have been swell)

• the zombies are massing a bit more(it is not at all uncommon to he assaulted by four or five of those buggers in a crappy little town 

• it has a small 5 round magazine (I only had one magazine) and it has a slow reload especially if you have only one magazine. 

•when you switch to your primary rifle it ends up on the ground (naturally). Then you have to find it which isn't always easy

 

For those reasons I just tossed the one I had into a ditch that is choked by tall grass and brush. I was using it as an in hand weapon that allowed me to keep my M4A1 on my shoulder to conserve 5.56ammo. An SKS is a better choice than a CZ527 for an in hand weapon if you plan on packing two long guns but as I have learned that is a pain in the ass.

 

The CR527 should be as common as the double rifle as it would make a good starting rifle for a player that needs to rebuild his arsenal and gear inventory.. 

 

I am now on a quest to find a Longhorn. I can store that bugger in a protector case along with 40 rounds of 7.62 x 54r ammo and put it on a hot key.

 

For me I think the magic combination will be:

[1] M4A1, [2]Longhorn (I have a .357 in slot 2 now), [3] CR75 [4] .22 Amphibia S

 

Note: I wish they would allow a scope for the .357 as that would probably beat the hell out of a Longhorn because of its 6 round capacity.

 

So what are your thoughts on the CZ527 and how is the Longhorn?

The longhorn is very rare. I have only found 1, but I had no ammo for it so after a few days I dropped it. Actually I dropped it at Balota a few hours ago, theres a chance its still there. It looks really good in vids and such, but idk fo sure.

[Bororm 1156]

Man I've seen multiple longhorns in the past few days as well.

 

Check the townhall thing in Novo or whatever the new huge city is called, they spawn there fairly often as well.

 

According to dayzdb which may be inaccurate, cz527 mags can spawn in uaz wrecks, police stations as well as the atcs (as well as military buildings of course).  The ones I encountered on people were all around the neaf, and the people who had them weren't sporting any AKMs or AK101s or other gear which would imply they'd been to the major airfields.  I think it's more likely they got them out of the neaf atc and wrecks.

 

Any ways I'm not calling them common, but I don't think I'd really classify them as rare.

 

I'll tell ya where to find "rare" items though, on other players =P

Edited August 2, 2014 by Bororm

[Xbow 362]

Errr.

 

1. They plan on adding a scope, they're not done.

 

2. Your second bit doesn't mention the CR527 at all, so I can't comment.

 

3. However your third bit contradicts what I assume you meant with the second. A five round magazine should be enough to take out "four or five of those buggers."

 

4. Your fourth bit is curious, this happens with every weapon that you "take into hands" and isn't peculiar to the CR527. You seem to be taking issue with the fact that you can't carry two primaries at the same time.

 

**You should not be able to carry four weapons as normal. I hope they get around to putting in a "weight/stamina" system ASAP.

 

 

**I can chamber it with single rounds just fine as of five minutes ago on stable.

 

1) Errrr..There is no scope for it a present sport and that is all I said.

 

3)There is no contradiction. [edit]

 

4)Show me where I said dropping a  long gun you draw another one was unique to the CZ527 

 

** I'd be fine with the limit on guns being set to 1 rifle and one pistol. [edit]

Edited August 3, 2014 by Xbow

[Katana67 2907]

1) There is no scope for it a present Duhhhhh!!!

3)There is no contradiction and I am sure that duffer like you isn't particularly accurate with any weapon real or virtual so "Errrrrrr"  dry up or stop trying to stroke yourself.

4)Show me where I said dropping a  weapon  was unique problem to the CZ527 

 

Glad you got offended somehow.

 

But okay, challenge accepted.

 

1. You are speaking matter-of-factly. You said "there is no scope available for it" as if it will never be the case, when they've stated that a scope is in the works. Which would, in theory, temper your dismissal of the weapon knowing that a scope is inbound.

 

2. I don't have trouble taking out five zombies in a row, so I'm not sure what kind of "duffer" I am. Someone who can shoot well in a video game?

 

3. You used it as a reason for dismissing the CR527, when it could be used as a reason for dismissing every weapon... because it occurs with every weapon you have in-hand. You listed the fact that you had to drop the weapon as one of your bulleted reasons as to why you weren't "impressed" with the CR527 in particular.

 

EDIT - And my opinion is pretty important to me, though, hence why I hold it as an opinion and express it on this forum.

Edited August 2, 2014 by Katana67

[Inception. 9443]

1) There is no scope for it a present Duhhhhh!!!

3)There is no contradiction and I am sure that stud like you isn't particularly accurate with any weapon real or virtual so "Errrrrrr"  dry up or stop trying to stroke yourself.

4)Show me where I said dropping a  weapon  was unique problem to the CZ527 

 

And by the by your opinion of how many guns a player can carry is pretty damn unimpoerant. 

 

Katana certainly lives up to his member title. You, on the other hand, had no reason to respond to rudely. Cut it out.

[gibonez 3633]

While a scope is surely to come for the cz 527 it does not freaking need one.

 

Just because it is a bolt action rifle does not mean it needs a scope or any optics of any kind.

 

The game already has an over abundance of optics there is zero need to have the survivors walking around in akms decked out like special forces soldiers.

 

This is supposed to be a resource limited world yet everyone and their grandma has a fully decked out akm with rails and drum mags and mosin nagants are some how magically fitted with what looks like 3k dollar + tactical scopes.

 

Iron sights should be encountered on 90 + percent of the guns you find on players in the game, because when shit hits the fan and there is no more resources iron sights do not fail yet that fancy smancy scope can break with a simple fall.

 

The cz 527 works fine without optics and would work equally fine with them.

Edited August 3, 2014 by gibonez

[Xbow 362]

Glad you got offended somehow.

 

But okay, challenge accepted.

 

1. You are speaking matter-of-factly. You said "there is no scope available for it" as if it will never be the case, when they've stated that a scope is in the works. Which would, in theory, temper your dismissal of the weapon knowing that a scope is inbound.

 

2. I don't have trouble taking out five zombies in a row, so I'm not sure what kind of "duffer" I am. Someone who can shoot well in a video game?

 

3. You used it as a reason for dismissing the CR527, when it could be used as a reason for dismissing every weapon... because it occurs with every weapon you have in-hand. You listed the fact that you had to drop the weapon as one of your bulleted reasons as to why you weren't "impressed" with the CR527 in particular.

 

EDIT - And my opinion is pretty important to me, though, hence why I hold it as an opinion and express it on this forum.

 

"Glad you got offended somehow."  Amused  is more like it.

 

1) No if I meant that there would never be a scope for it I would have said exactly that boss..but I didn't.

 

2) I have not been hit or injured by zombies while using the CZ527. However I have shot the weapon dry and had to change weapons to get the last one or two. The last incident was in the upper floor of a house in Vybor when three zeds silently negotiated the stairs in persuit of me (I had just dusted three in the street and hadn't had time to top off my one mag before they showed up.  IN any case I am glad the Nav mesh is working, zombies are dumb but not so dumb that they shouldn't be able to climb up stairs.

 

3)Yes actually it was more an indictment of the idea of packing two rifles than it was a slam on the CZ527. I packed an AKM as my in hand weapon for a long while but I traded it and 4 30 round mags for five 40 rnd M4A1 mags (full) and three morphine injectors. Then almost immediately I found the CZ527 and a magazine.    

 

4)I have no doubt that you can shoot well enough in a game or in RL for that matter but I don't think anyone can clam 100% accuracy as you have.

 

As far as the CZ527 is concerned I think the SKS is a better choice for an in hands gun (IMHO) but that may change when the scope comes out. But as it is, its not worth the trouble 'to me'. In fact I don't plan on packing more than one long gun at any time in the future.  I just read that someone actually wants something that amounts to a Golf Bag to allow a player to carry up to three long guns! I thought, "now there is a guy that has never been on a forced march with body armor, a 40lb pack, an M16A2, gas mask, four canteens etc etc etc. Encumbrance is a huge factor in RL when on the move and should be in game as well. There should be a benefit for traveling light and a penalty for thinking you're one of  Marius's Mules.  

 

 

Inception.  In the interest of amity I edited the post in question. 

Edited August 3, 2014 by Xbow

[spensah 8]

Oh Gibonez...what's wrong with scopes? Too mall ninja for you?

[Katana67 2907]

"Glad you got offended somehow."  Amused  is more like it.

 

1) No if I meant that there would never be a scope for it I would have said exactly that boss..but I didn't.

 

2) I have not been hit or injured by zombies while using the CZ527. However I have shot the weapon dry and had to change weapons to get the last one or two. The last incident was in the upper floor of a house in Vybor when three zeds silently negotiated the stairs in persuit of me (I had just dusted three in the street and hadn't had time to top off my one mag before they showed up.  IN any case I am glad the Nav mesh is working, zombies are dumb but not so dumb that they shouldn't be able to climb up stairs.

 

3)Yes actually it was more an indictment of the idea of packing two rifles than it was a slam on the CZ527. I packed an AKM as my in hand weapon for a long while but I traded it and 4 30 round mags for five 40 rnd M4A1 mags (full) and three morphine injectors. Then almost immediately I found the CZ527 and a magazine.    

 

4)I have no doubt that you can shoot well enough in a game or in RL for that matter but I don't think anyone can clam 100% accuracy as you have.

 

Well when someone insults me for no reason, sort of makes me smile.

 

Anywho...

 

1. In the absence of something, I cannot assume the presence of something else. In other words, I can't read words that you didn't write. You listed the fact that the CR527 doesn't have a scope as if it were perpetual. Which was compounded by the following statement "something like a PU scope with Weaver rings would have been swell." This directly implies that it's not a work-in-progress and is a finished product. Which it is. If it were a WIP, which it is, then "would be" would be the operative phrase vice past-tense.

 

2. Hence why I was confused as to why you listed the fact that you couldn't carry two primary weapons without dropping one in a list which was specific to the CR527.

 

3. I have never claimed to be 100% accurate. But I'm not going to fault the magazine simply because I cannot hit something given the amount of rounds in a magazine. It's user-error.

 

The SKS is a better choice, if only because it is equally as common, has a larger internal magazine (which still requires inventory access to reload), and can currently mount attachments.

 

But if you make the SKS rarer, make CR527 magazines more common, and make some attachments available to the CR527... then the picture changes. These are all tenets of balance and development, both of which are ongoing.

[gibonez 3633]

Oh Gibonez...what's wrong with scopes? Too mall ninja for you?

 

Nothing it is just silly that nearly every single weapon in the game has one. Even weapons that 99 percent of the time would not have one .

 

Say the world does end guess what the first things to break would be yes optics.

 

It is better for gameplay to have optics even 4x acogs and pso scopes be ultra rare .

[Bororm 1156]

Take a look at all the conflicts currently ongoing around the world gibonez, a ton of those insurgents and rebel groups all have optics on their weapons.  I don't think it's as far fetched as you believe.

 

I also doubt they're as fragile as you make them out to be, considering they are designed for war.

[Xbow 362]

Well when someone insults me for no reason, sort of makes me smile.

 

Anywho...

 

1. In the absence of something, I cannot assume the presence of something else. In other words, I can't read words that you didn't write. You listed the fact that the CR527 doesn't have a scope as if it were perpetual. Which was compounded by the following statement "something like a PU scope with Weaver rings would have been swell." This directly implies that it's not a work-in-progress and is a finished product. Which it is. If it were a WIP, which it is, then "would be" would be the operative phrase vice past-tense.

 

2. Hence why I was confused as to why you listed the fact that you couldn't carry two primary weapons without dropping one in a list which was specific to the CR527.

 

3. I have never claimed to be 100% accurate. But I'm not going to fault the magazine simply because I cannot hit something given the amount of rounds in a magazine. It's user-error.

 

The SKS is a better choice, if only because it is equally as common, has a larger internal magazine (which still requires inventory access to reload), and can currently mount attachments.

 

But if you make the SKS rarer, make CR527 magazines more common, and make some attachments available to the CR527... then the picture changes. These are all tenets of balance and development, both of which are ongoing.

I have already answered you concerns in 1, 2 & 3  but I will spell out for you a bit better next time my bad I guess

 

1) Who said anything about missing targets? that is your faulty assumption. I seldom miss zombie targets but tell me if the number of targets exceeds the number of rounds in a magazine and you have to switch weapons immediately because the zeds are close and that is quicker than inventory access is that user-error? Or is it a limitation of the system?

 

2) Hmmmmm.....you said, "which(SKS) still requires inventory access to reload". No sir, the SKS does not require inventory access to reload if you have 10 round strip clips (which most SKS folks do) hitting "R" will do it just fine. You see the strip clip operates as a magazine and may even be topped off like a magazine once it is out of the rifle and a fresh 10rnd strip clip loaded.  I thought you were familiar with the SKS. :huh:  

 

    10/10                  0/10

 

     FULL               EMPTY

 

Note: While I shit canned the CZ527 I retained the magazine just as I have retained four SKS strip clips. 

Edited August 3, 2014 by Xbow

[Katana67 2907]

Take a look at all the conflicts currently ongoing around the world gibonez, a ton of those insurgents and rebel groups all have optics on their weapons.  I don't think it's as far fetched as you believe.

 

I also doubt they're as fragile as you make them out to be, considering they are designed for war.

 

It isn't... but I do think that optics (specifically the PSO-1) need to be made rarer. But not so rare as to confine 1% of weapons encountered to be using optics.

 

Either way, irons break too (see the slanted FSP on my AR that I have yet to fix)... so the argument that "it breaks, therefore, it would be broken" doesn't hold much water. It's not like the piles of optics at an abandoned armory, at a firearms/sporting store, or stored in someone's house just automatically break when news hits that there's a zombie apocalypse afoot.

 

And yes, optics and so-called "tactical" equipment is no longer the sole purview of "Western" militaries.

Edited August 3, 2014 by Katana67

[Capo 323]

Nothing it is just silly that nearly every single weapon in the game has one. Even weapons that 99 percent of the time would not have one .

 

Say the world does end guess what the first things to break would be yes optics.

 

It is better for gameplay to have optics even 4x acogs and pso scopes be ultra rare .

 

I agree the acogs and pso's should be rare. But the CZ, a modern hunting rifle, should have a scope

[trev186 389]

Nothing it is just silly that nearly every single weapon in the game has one. Even weapons that 99 percent of the time would not have one .

 

Say the world does end guess what the first things to break would be yes optics.

 

It is better for gameplay to have optics even 4x acogs and pso scopes be ultra rare .

 

Let's see here:

 

Handguns:

 

P1 no scope

 

9mm gun Cr something no scope

 

Magnum no scope

 

Makarov no scope

 

Amphibia no scope

 

Long horn scope 

 

FNX scope

 

Handguns total (2 out of 7 have scopes)

 

 

Other guns

 

Shot gun (no scope)

 

B95 (no scope)

 

SKS (PU scope & can be mounted in real life)

 

M4 (scopes all can be mounted in real life and contrary to what you say are quite resilient & made to endure modern warfare.)

 

AKM/AK101 (PSO scope same as above for M4)

 

Mousin (LRS pretend scope with no real model name would require a lot of work to mount to a mousin)

 

Cz57 (No scope & nearly makes the gun useless when you consider it is much harder to find mags for it vs an SKS and is completely outclassed by the SKS)

 

Sporter no scope

 

So only 4 Rifles/shotguns with scopes out of 8

 

 

SMGs:

 

MP5K again can mount scopes that it could use in real life

 

Rak...not sure if it can mount a scope no one has found it

 

Not over the top if you ask me.

 

not everyone wants horrible slow firing bolt action rifles. just accept that in some ways this is your personal opinion. 

 

I like having a scope and a rail on my AKM with a bipod and flashlight. None of those things are outlandish whatsoever. Also most players I encounter are not armed with AKMs. I have only ever had a gunfight with one other player with an AKM in the game. I also hangout on the far western edge of the map where they spawn and most people I encounter are using SKS or some other easy to find weapon.

 

Most of the scopes are very hard to find in worn/pristine shape aside from the PU scope. 

 

Honestly seems pretty balanced to me. Aiming in this game is all moot since we have that helpful little dot in the center of the screen...

 

I say bring on a real HC mode with no helpful dot and not easy range settings (make them physically turn and look at the knob) then scopes will be even more useful

 

Maybe your just running into too many clans...who mostly use duping exploits to give each other pimped out M4s and AKMs...

 

Other players spend hours trying to get an AKM setup and I have killed several players who were gathering attachments for them only to be sent back to the coast without ever completing their quest. 

Edited August 3, 2014 by trev186

[Katana67 2907]

I have already answered you concerns in 1, 2 & 3  but I will spell out for you a bit better next time my bad .

 

1) Who said anything about missing targets? that is your faulty assumption. I seldom miss zombie targets but tell me if the number of targets exceeds the number of rounds in a magazine and you have to switch weapons immediately because that is quicker than inventory access is that user-error? 

 

2) Hmmmmm.....you said, "which(SKS) still requires inventory access to reload". No sir, the SKS does not require inventory access to reload if you have 10 round strip clips (which most folks do) hitting "R" will do it just fine.     You see the strip clip operate as a magazine and may even be topped off like a magazine once they are out of the rifle and a fresh 10rnd strip clip loaded.  I thought you were familiar with the SKS.

 

One doesn't need stripper clips to operate the SKS's magazine. It has an internal magazine, stripper clips just make reloads faster. It doesn't provide for the overall capacity. I can still put 10 rounds into my SKS without a stripper clip. Whereas I cannot do so with a CR527 without a magazine.

 

I said something about missing targets, because you said something about accuracy. You're now just saying that "more rounds = more chances to hit/miss" which is true, but irrelevant.

 

You specified the number "4 or 5" and I responded by saying that you have enough rounds in the magazine of your CR527 to take them out. Which you do, because it has five rounds in the magazine.

 

Sort of over this...