DeatHTaX 1217 Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Clearly you don't understand body language. There's more to body language than the physical actions. An example... If someone is crowding toward you, they are not giving you your personal space, which is a sign of hostility/aggression. Passive/submissive players/people/animals will attempt to make themselves smaller and put themselves further away, preferring a defensive posture, stance, or position. Hostile/Aggressive players/people/animals will attempt to make themselves larger, or attempt to own more "space/real estate" in the vicinity.. An aggressive player may run around in circles in your area, and close to you, while a passive player would crouch down and move away from you. DayZ is real life in as much as players are people and people inherently and unconsciously manifest their emotional state into whatever "reality" they are currently occupying. I have videos which demonstrate this, and if you actually pay attention in game to how people "act/move/posture", then it becomes pretty apparent. An example that comes to mind was that a friend and I were watching Berezino from the western hill, and we saw a player on top of the police station.. He had a small backpack on, and a starter weapon (maybe an SKS? if I recall..) We could just tell by the way that he was moving and standing and where and when he was pausing that he was relatively new to the game and that he was most likely friendly. Turned out we were right. Language (if it gets to that point) is also a pretty clear indication of someones intentions, especially when combined with their "body language". You can mock my logic and denounce this stuff all you want... Or you can incorporate it into your own play and see the results for yourself. You have got to be kidding me lol.... So what about the guy who gives you plenty of personal space and then shoots you in the face or the back? Or the guy who will get "too close" to you even though he's clearly friendly. There are plenty of passive players who run around you and then run off and do absolutely nothing. Or someone who exhibits all the signs of a person who is friendly, and after adventuring with them, with no signs whatsoever, they suddenly decide to murder you. Did you "sense" that coming? Bet not. And just because it happens sometimes and happens to be right on occasion does not make it concrete. I have met plenty of friendly players who exhibited no friendly tendencies whatsoever, and visa versa. ......really? I mean really? What on earth makes you think that in a video game "a person crouching towards me has hostile intentions!!!!" Maybe they're people just messing around and doing things out of the ordinary because it's...oh i dunno...a video game? Making an assumption based off of your observations and it HAPPENING to be right every once in a while does not make it science. You even use language that indicates you made a guess...an assumption. "It turned out...", or "Was most likely...." So please don't try to tell me that there is some kind of scientific method to "sensing" the intentions of a person in a video game. Sure you can make educated guesses, but my whole point from the beginning was to refute the idea that you can simply "sense" and "come to the resolute conclusion" of a bambi's intentions based off of their actions. That is ALL i wanted to do, but apparently a couple of you have no concept of this idea and need it spelled out in a huge-ass response I mean I hate to sound like I'm spelling out something obvious here but if you're going to sit there and tell me there's some sort of method here you bet I'm going to deny that up and down lol. Edited July 21, 2014 by DeatHTaX Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Etherimp 1323 Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) You have got to be kidding me lol. So what about the guy who gives you plenty of personal space and then shoots you in the face or the back? Or the guy who will get "too close" to you even though he's clearly friendly. There are plenty of passive players who run around you and then run off and do absolutely nothing. Or someone who exhibits all the signs of a person who is friendly, and after adventuring with them, with no signs whatsoever, they suddenly decide to murder you. Did you "sense" that coming? Bet not. And just because it happens sometimes and happens to be right on occasion does not make it concrete. I have met plenty of friendly players who exhibited no friendly tendencies whatsoever, and visa versa. ......really? I mean really? What on earth makes you think that in a video game "a person crouching towards me has hostile intentions!!!!" Maybe they're people just messing around and doing things out of the ordinary because it's...oh i dunno...a video game? Good god. "A person crouching towards me has hostile intentions!!!"? Where did you take that quote from because I certainly didn't say it... Re-read my post before you misquote please. Furthermore, I have actual evidence/proof in video form supporting what I say. Every example you've given has been nothing but anecdotal. If you post a video of a specific encounter, I could break it down for you. Edited July 21, 2014 by Etherimp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Etherimp 1323 Posted July 21, 2014 ......really? I mean really? What on earth makes you think that in a video game "a person crouching towards me has hostile intentions!!!!" Maybe they're people just messing around and doing things out of the ordinary because it's...oh i dunno...a video game? Making an assumption based off of your observations and it HAPPENING to be right every once in a while does not make it science. You even use language that indicates you made a guess...an assumption. "It turned out...", or "Was most likely...." So please don't try to tell me that there is some kind of scientific method to "sensing" the intentions of a person in a video game. Sure you can make educated guesses, but my whole point from the beginning was to refute the idea that you can simply "sense" and "come to the resolute conclusion" that you can judge a bambi's intentions based off of their actions. That is ALL i wanted to do, but apparently a couple of you have no concept of this idea and need it spelled out in a huge-ass response I mean I hate to sound like I'm spelling out something obvious here but if you're going to sit there and tell me there's some sort of method here you bet I'm going to deny that up and down lol. I mean, for someone like you who is struggling to grasp the English language, I'm not at all surprised that the idea of reading body language is a foreign concept to you. Video games are just real people interacting through a different medium. Just like this text is a real person interacting with you through a different form. Again, though, I don't know why I'm bothering to explain something which involves nuance and subtlety to a troglodyte. You're right.. Just shoot everyone, it makes your E-peen look big. Ingrate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeatHTaX 1217 Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) I mean, for someone like you who is struggling to grasp the English language, I'm not at all surprised that the idea of reading body language is a foreign concept to you. Video games are just real people interacting through a different medium. Just like this text is a real person interacting with you through a different form. Again, though, I don't know why I'm bothering to explain something which involves nuance and subtlety to a troglodyte. You're right.. Just shoot everyone, it makes your E-peen look big. Ingrate. Aw cmon now, don't resort to name-calling. We were having a good conversation. Now for example, you say...."if someone is crowding towards you" it's obviously a hostile action because they're "invading your space". What about the typical gamer who is just out to have fun in a video game? And turns out to be friendly, and does such an action for whatever reason he has? Because many scenarios have happened where people have acted in the most bizarre fashions, or fashions contrary to your logic structure, and resulted in either. Please. PLEASE stop trying to act like the way people behave in a VIDEO GAME is some kind of science into the ethos of their minds eye. You CAN...NOT...TELL for sure what someone's intentions are based on your "scientific" (lol) model. Please...just stop edit: Oh and I edited this post because I found grammatical errors because I'm a troglodyte and an ingrate. EDIT EDIT: For civilityI mean, for someone like you who is struggling to grasp the English language Edited July 21, 2014 by DeatHTaX Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Inception. 9443 Posted July 21, 2014 Ladies. Keep it civil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Etherimp 1323 Posted July 21, 2014 Aw cmon now, don't resort to name-calling. We were having a good conversation. Now for example, you say...."if someone is crowding towards you" it's obviously a hostile action because they're "invading your space". What about the typical gamer who is just out to have fun in a video game? And turns out to be friendly, and does such an action for whatever reason he has? Because many scenarios have happened where people have acted in the most bizarre fashions, or fashions contrary to your logic structure, and resulted in either. Please. PLEASE stop trying to act like the way people behave in a VIDEO GAME is some kind of science into the ethos of their minds eye. You CAN...NOT...TELL for sure what someone's intentions are based on your "scientific" (lol) model. Please...just stop edit: Oh and I edited this post because I found grammatical errors because I'm a troglodyte and an ingrate. Umad? I said someone who is crowding towards you is showing AGGRESSIVE body language. It doesn't necessarily mean they are aggressive, but if you have a gun and they do not and they are crowding toward you, it's a good indication that they may try to pull some bullshit. Just because someone is running around in circles does not mean they are aggressive.. It's just showing that they are "assertive".. They are not afraid of you.. This may be because they are a fresh spawn and they don't care if they die, or it may be because they have friends following them and they are baiting you.. It could mean a lot of things. The point is, if someone was SUBMISSIVE to you, they would not run around in circles around you.. They would make themselves look small, or distance themselves from you.. But distancing is also a DEFENSIVE position, so just because someone is taking up a defensive position does not mean they will not take up that position then shoot you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeatHTaX 1217 Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) I takes a psych class and stuffs Well anyway, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Good day to you sir, Your friend,The ingrate troglodyte edit: cuz lul Edited July 21, 2014 by DeatHTaX Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Etherimp 1323 Posted July 21, 2014 education is for losers cuz lul Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeatHTaX 1217 Posted July 21, 2014 education is for losers cuz lul Awww see you misunderstand me again, my good fellow. I was making fun of YOU, not education. The irony is so comically palpable ;D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Etherimp 1323 Posted July 21, 2014 Awww see you misunderstand me again, my good fellow. I was making fun of YOU, not education. The irony is so comically palpable ;D I never took a psych class, btw. Keep honing those people reading skills. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeatHTaX 1217 Posted July 21, 2014 I never took a psych class, btw. Keep honing those people reading skills. Lol I don't even know what to say to you anymore. ANYWAY! Back to the topic of discussion. How to keep your lawn green and lush! ...wait what were we talking about? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boneboys 7988 Posted July 21, 2014 Etherimp DeatHTaX Please stop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Etherimp 1323 Posted July 21, 2014 Etherimp DeatHTaX Please stop. Done. Stopped. Started getting Private Messaged. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boneboys 7988 Posted July 21, 2014 I will remove both of your Messaging Privileges if this does not stop.You have managed to derailed the Topic, be careful, I'm watching ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeatHTaX 1217 Posted July 21, 2014 Roger that Mr. Boneboys :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art336 3 Posted July 31, 2014 Boneboys is a sourpuss. It's like he is killing server bambies or something,And if that isn't on topic I do not know what is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kungfubeer (DayZ) 3 Posted August 1, 2014 I am generally friendly. I will callout friendly and standby to drop you if you do not comply. I have only killed one bambi and another player who wasn't doing anything wrong towards me (felt bad about it afterwards) but I have also dropped many suspicious players and bandits for attempting to ambush me, sneak up or thinking they could drop me before I got them! I have been double crossed by friendlies but still manage to keep my willingness to help others while being on guard. I even give out weapons with a warning that I will drop them at the first sign of retardedness! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT111 23 Posted August 1, 2014 My clan has a catch and release policy, we often try to recruit them if they sound mature enough but if they dont want to join we give them food/water and send them on their way. If they have a gun with ammo we take the ammo, set it on the ground and make them come with us for a few minutes...then set them free to run back for their ammo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sloasdaylight 129 Posted August 1, 2014 I'm pretty sure humans are the only species that kills for fun or sport. Only a sociopath would think that murdering innocent, unarmed people demonstrates power and strength. Necro quote, but dolphins, orcas, and domestic cats all have been documented killing other animals for fun, playing with the corpse, and then leaving it to rot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites