Why are there basically no 3pp:off servers - grow a pair.

[hombrecz 832]

3pp servers are a cheat basically. BE should ban all people playing in cheater mode where you can have 270 degree vision, see around corners and over fences.

 

Interesting idea.

What about BE banning all players server-hopping for loot like b*tches?

 

Or did you forget confessing that you have  "Also been serverhopping all night and everyone did it too"   in thread called "Loving how rare AKM's and High Cap Vests are" right on the very first page??

 

Maybe you should stop being hypocrite....

[Chaingunfighter 917]

If you don't like it, don't click the link to open it. I mean really? You came into a thread you don't want to be part of just to say close it?

I opened the thread with the intent of seeing (hopefully) good ideas or productive discussion. I did not.

 

The whole "if you don't like something, don't x it" argument is invalid, anyway. How am I supposed to know whether I don't like a song if I haven't listened to it. or whether I don't like a book if I haven't read it? Sometimes there are very good or new reasons that come up as solutions or ideas on this forum, and I'm willing to give threads like these a chance, because I might gain valuable insight. It just tends not to happen.

 

 

I was very well ready to contribute an argument, but as I've said before, all I saw was people producing the same old concepts, or insulting the other group. Don't assume that because I don't offer anything that it was my intent to come here to complain.

[Jex 1104]

I opened the thread with the intent of seeing (hopefully) good ideas or productive discussion. I did not.

 

The whole "if you don't like something, don't x it" argument is invalid, anyway. How am I supposed to know whether I don't like a song if I haven't listened to it. or whether I don't like a book if I haven't read it? Sometimes there are very good or new reasons that come up as solutions or ideas on this forum, and I'm willing to give threads like these a chance, because I might gain valuable insight. It just tends not to happen.

 

 

I was very well ready to contribute an argument, but as I've said before, all I saw was people producing the same old concepts, or insulting the other group. Don't assume that because I don't offer anything that it was my intent to come here to complain.

 

No but rather than just close it, you had to complain about it.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

No but rather than just close it, you had to complain about it.

Well, yes. I did feel the need to point out that mindlessly insulting a group because they're "not hardcore" or "don't want to let everyone play how they want" is pathetic.

 

It's also against the forum rules, but I'm not trying to be the harbinger of the moderators.

[jukaga 271]

For me the cool thing about 1pp is that it makes you re think your play style in terms of what clothing you go for, since the mountain backpacks and certain jackets block your rear view, so you have to find new balance and make tougher decisions, like do I take the large backpack and lose out on being able to see my surroundings effectively, or do i go with a hunter backpack or a wee taloon pack?  Do I take this down jacket or do I wait for something that doesn't block my rear view?  

 

Playing 1pp has made me really re think what is essential in the game, it's made me travel lighter due to these choices, so most of the time now I can get away with just wearing an assault vest or a small backpack, and making the spaces work for me, collect more yellow boxes, it's changed almost every aspect of how I play, plus being super aware of silhouetting, so I find myself finding better cover, picking better bushes and so on.

 

I'm not saying 1pp is better or worse, but it changed my play style a lot for the better, and it's the video game equivalent of learning to ride a motorbike fast in the wet, I've learned to be just as effective while always being that mush more cautious and fluid, taken off the rough edges, which is now a natural part of my play-style,

Great post, I agree fully. I've been using the improvised backpack for those reasons, it leaves the shoulders clear for checking if someones behind you. That and it's a much smaller profile on your silhouette. It's got more than enough room, there is zero reason to haul those massive mountain backpacks around.

[Vodski 7]

I play hardcore solo, and 3pp with friends, because they're pansies who wont nut up.

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

Need a ladder to get out of that hole you've dug for yourself?

Those using Lamecore need, NEED, Hardcore mode in order to shoot. Hardcore players don't need Lamecore mode for anything.

Harcdore 1 - 0 Lamecore

:D

I typically shoot in 3rd person. It's not terribly accurate, but it's a lot faster to shoot from the hip IMO.

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

4th wall does this and seems the best solution without making the 3PP cam view so shitty it's hardly worth having.

Actually using the 4th wall makes the 3PP camera view extremely shitty. Zombies appearing and disappearing out of nowhere is not a solution.

[MLG420blazeit 62]

Actually using the 4th wall makes the 3PP camera view extremely shitty. Zombies appearing and disappearing out of nowhere is not a solution.

 

LoL. So you can't use 3p to see over objects and see zombies? WTF? Thats the whole point bro. You're not meant to be able to see through and over objects just because you like to see your character in 3p...

[Hetstaine 10852]

Page 11...my water supplies are low, i have eaten my last bean..is that a boar in the distance ? no...just a rock.I trudge onwards, ever onwards..

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

LoL. So you can't use 3p to see over objects and see zombies? WTF? Thats the whole point bro. You're not meant to be able to see through and over objects just because you like to see your character in 3p...

When you're running around in 3rd person you're inherently going to see over and around objects whether you're trying to exploit it or not. That is what you're FOV is used to seeing.

Now all of a sudden you're going to have zombies appearing and disappearing from seemingly out of nowhere as you move around?

I've seen enough videos of the so-called "4th wall fix" and it looks retarded. They simply won't implement it in the Standalone. You're going to need another solution because the 4th wall isn't it.

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

For fuck sakes, there is no fix.  Leave the 3pp carebears alone and go play 1pp.  It`s not a hard concept.

[gibonez 3633]

For fuck sakes, there is no fix.  Leave the 3pp carebears alone and go play 1pp.  It`s not a hard concept.

 

Not true. There are potential fixes such as any of the following.

 

• Script that disables 3pp when crouched or prone - used in the dayz mod by some servers with good success although it does not eliminate the problem completely it stopped alot of the crutch camping.
• 4th wallish type mod with further refinements to ensure it works perfectly.
• Camera reposition so that it is around waist level thus ensuring it cannot be used to look over objects.
• Eliminating hardcore mode and regular mode and instead making a 1pp and 3pp mode in 3pp there is no iron sights you merely aim with a crosshair no 1pp whatsoever only for optics.

I am sure there are any number of additional "fixes"

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

Not true. There are potential fixes such as any of the following.

 

• Script that disables 3pp when crouched or prone - used in the dayz mod by some servers with good success although it does not eliminate the problem completely it stopped alot of the crutch camping.
• 4th wallish type mod with further refinements to ensure it works perfectly.
• Camera reposition so that it is around waist level thus ensuring it cannot be used to look over objects.
• Eliminating hardcore mode and regular mode and instead making a 1pp and 3pp mode in 3pp there is no iron sights you merely aim with a crosshair no 1pp whatsoever only for optics.

I am sure there are any number of additional "fixes"

Who gives a flying rats ass.  Let them play WoWZ and have RP walks and cake parties.  Let the real players play a shooter.  3pp is not designed for online shooters and this corner peaking is a prime example why there are barely any online 3pp shooter games

Edited June 20, 2014 by Caboose187

[gibonez 3633]

Who gives a flying rats ass.  Let them play WoWZ and have RP walks and cake parties.  Let the real players play a shooter.  3pp is not designed for online shooters and this corner peaking is a prime example why there are barely any online 3pp shooter games

 

Yea I agree.

 

3pp is inherently bad for any sort of competitive game due to the unnatural advantages gained due to the perspective.

 

That being said I was merely stating that there are solutions or compromises that could bring both sides of the argument to an agreement.

[LigerRider 82]

Typical "spray and pray" lamecore merchant banter, imo.

There is "spray and pray" while ADS or hip-firing in hardcore as well... Argument is invalid.

[rickyriot 1009]

There is "spray and pray" while ADS or hip-firing in hardcore as well... Argument is invalid.

Yeah, but we know that nobody playing Hardcore fires from the hip, that's for lamecore console casual gamers.

[infiltrator 275]

I hope one day BE will grow a pair and remove 3PP. There's no point in segregating the community, and 3rd person view adds nothing to gameplay other than a crotch some people desperately want to hold onto.

[SteenRNS 35]

I want to play with 3rd person on. I have this advantage because others have this advantage.

People can see me while they are behind stuff. So can i.

If i only wanted 1st person i`d play in hardcore servers.

They are seperated. I play how i want to play.

 

People who play in hardcore mode aren`t more elite than players who use 3rd person.

 

All i have said is the absolute truth and i cant be persuaded otherwise.

[SteenRNS 35]

Oh and another thing to answer the question of this thread.

There are more 3rd person servers because people like to play in 3rd person.

[MLG420blazeit 62]

For fuck sakes, there is no fix.  Leave the 3pp carebears alone and go play 1pp.  It`s not a hard concept.

 

No. Kill or castrate them to clean up the gene-pool.

[skypig 139]

too many cry baby shit tossers on both sides for this or any thread like it to be taken seriously lol

if I don't want someone peeking over the wall at me.. guess what?? I won't play on regular.

if I do play regular I'm fully aware I have the same advantage as the peekers. and won't pout like a child about it.

you all sound like a bunch of fucking vegans going into a steak house, knowing it's a steak house... and then bitching that they have steak!

[Jex 1104]

Great post, I agree fully. I've been using the improvised backpack for those reasons, it leaves the shoulders clear for checking if someones behind you. That and it's a much smaller profile on your silhouette. It's got more than enough room, there is zero reason to haul those massive mountain backpacks around.

 

What does it hold these days and aren't their tow version? Rope+sack and rope+sack+sticks?

[Jex 1104]

Actually using the 4th wall makes the 3PP camera view extremely shitty. Zombies appearing and disappearing out of nowhere is not a solution.

 

It is a solution but you like to exploit the view so you don't like it. BTW, zombies pop in and out of view in first person. If I lean out from a wall - zombie see...if I lean back...zombie don't see

 

Lean out....Zombie See

Lean back...Zombie Don't See

 

Lean out....Zombie See

Lean back...Zombie Don't See

 

Lean out....Zombie See

Lean back...Zombie Don't See

 

Lean out....Zombie See

Lean back...Zombie Don't See

 

Lean out....Zombie See

Lean back...Zombie Don't See

 

 

See? (Or don't see?)

[Jex 1104]

I hope one day BE will grow a pair and remove 3PP. There's no point in segregating the community, and 3rd person view adds nothing to gameplay other than a crotch some people desperately want to hold onto.

 

Nobody...and I mean NOBODY is going to hold onto my crotch unless she's hot!