Why are there basically no 3pp:off servers - grow a pair.

[rickyriot 1009]

[KingOfTime 267]

I feel that these kind of threads have gotten through the horse and are well on their way to smashing bedrock, but here I go anyway.

well dont say its so unrealistic then, because looking over a wall like that is realistic. The second point works both ways so is moot.-there is no advantage to a third person view, if everyone in the server has access to it.

 

This is demonstrably false, as shown in other images on this forum and elsewhere. This image is one of many that have been made to show why 3rd person is inherently unfair. http://oi41.tinypic.com/2zs2yz5.jpg

[Jex 1104]

No i said it doesn't make a difference , did you read what I wrote? In fist person mode you would also have the advantage as you could poke your gun just slightly over the corner without revealing your whole body, the guy on the ground already is exposed. Now you are saying a different thing, and i see what you mean, but i stand by my point which you misunderstood.

In that situation, it doesn't make much difference, the guy on the roof has a massive advantage in first / third view and there isn't a big difference in that particular situation

 

LOL whaaaa??? You said...

 

now whether that situation was in 1st or 3rd, it wouldnt make much difference.

 

There, it wouldn't make much difference meaning there is a difference. Did you read what YOU wrote? ;)

 

No the guy exposing just a bit of his body is still exposing himself AND he has to get to that position. Let's look at your example for a minute in detail.

 

Your guy is moving behind cover to get a shot on a guy he saw. He moves to a position and brings his gun up to aim and BLAM! Get's shot in the head by a dude he didn't see.

 

In 3rd person, he could have stayed in his camp spot waiting for the right moment to run out and shoot his victim right?

 

In 1st person he is forced to move to keep eyes on his target but because he has no 3rd person view, he can't make sure he is safe. He can't cam around from above, he looks through his eyes. This makes it MUCH more dangerous for him because now he is exposing himself 100 times more because of his restricted view and now he has tension, he suddenly finds it much harder to stalk his prey - he doesn't just get to sit behind a wall and run out whislt the other guys back is turned or wait for him to loot gear.

 

1pp brings you down the ground level where you have to look around and be careful about your movements. You check roof tops and you move in ways that limit exposure from possible threat areas. You know if you can see them, they can see you and you also know to get a really good view of something you need to expose yourself - you can't lay prone and cam around you physically have to put yourself into danger.

 

3pp is easy - you don't feel any rush when ur so safely hidden. You're in no danger you just move your camera - you're not even moving your avatar, just a view point. You get what I'm saying but maybe you didn't really think about it enough to appreciate the difference between the two game modes.

 

In closing watch this vid, the first 3 mins should be enough (the rest is boring, it's just him moving around but you won't believe your eyes when you see the shit that goes down here

 

[cels 43]

In closing watch this vid, the first 3 mins should be enough (the rest is boring, it's just him moving around but you won't believe your eyes when you see the shit that goes down here

I dont record videos but this has happened in 3pp servers as well so I dont see the point. Could they not have been paying attention and just watching something other than the screen? Quite possible, I dont believe he asked them. Could what he say be possible? it definitely could be.. Unlike being in a real situation though, some people have second monitors with a map on, tv going, bullshitting in TS, a bunch of other things that couldve been reason for not seeing him.

Personally I play first and both view servers depending which my friends are playing on at the time. Do I see much difference? No. In 4 hours of the time I play in a night we might run into one other person that can account for 10 minutes of that time played. Do I hate that people use third person to see over shit? of course... but it happens rarely that I just dont care. Maybe its because I dont just chill waiting for someone to shoot.

Seeing what plans they have to make weapons and ammo extremely rare as well as other things like heli engines when its gets out of beta, im not going to care even more. Happy they are going away from this being about pvp because of the abundance and ease of finding weapons and ammo and going more towards hardcore survival that still requires player interaction(good or bad).

I do see the benefits of having just first person view in close quarter combat and such, just doesnt happen much for me with how I play the game. I also enjoy being able to see my character and such and being in third when running around not killing infested and what not.

In all, who gives a shit what view people play the game in.. people dont play on night servers as well and people bitched about that. If theres few servers that are full because people dont care to play in those conditions, oh well.

Edited June 18, 2014 by cels

[hombrecz 832]

It's not like people would dare to try and force their way of playing upon others right?

 

 

[RDogg 42]

There are too many people in this thread taking a 1st person be all, end all approach. I spent a year and a half in a MilSim community, 1st person is no stranger to me.

 

But can we stop with the mindless assumptions you are better? Once again, DayZ wasn't made just to cater to some apparent eliteist ignorant group who can't accept that the game was made to cater to all parties, as are most games. Such a simple concept that people struggle to grasp.

 

Don't like it, well either kidnap Dean Hall and make him meet your BS demands, or go host your own server rather than whining about it here. Let both sides be and let play how they want to play.

[dgeesio 1034]

people just love to ruin shit. thats it simple its no harder to play on 1st person or 3rd.

 

prooved this once by playing on a first person only server for about a month because they were obviously better for only using 1st person. after about a week server was dead and boy it was fun killing everyone :lol:

[pale1776 375]

You people are so damn stupid. Theres a debate at my school, one group, A,wants to be tolerated and accepted for who they are. The other group,B, doesnt believe in the lifestyle, but remain silent. A says that B shouldnt force their beliefs on them, but say that B is wrong for not accepting A's lifestyle. You guys are Group A. You want us to accept yalls ways but refuse to accept ours. You dont like 3pp its simple. DONT FUCKING PLAY ON THEM. Its that simple, but you want to force us to use your playstyle. I dont KoS I play as a hero. But how many of you hate the whiny babies that cry and want PVE only? That thats the only acceptable way to play DayZ. Hell they make even me wanna go burn down Cherno. You guys are no different from the whiny antikos babies who want to force pve onto everyone.

[Jex 1104]

I dont record videos but this has happened in 3pp servers as well so I dont see the point. Could they not have been paying attention and just watching something other than the screen? Quite possible, I dont believe he asked them. Could what he say be possible? it definitely could be.. Unlike being in a real situation though, some people have second monitors with a map on, tv going, bullshitting in TS, a bunch of other things that couldve been reason for not seeing him.

Personally I play first and both view servers depending which my friends are playing on at the time. Do I see much difference? No. In 4 hours of the time I play in a night we might run into one other person that can account for 10 minutes of that time played. Do I hate that people use third person to see over shit? of course... but it happens rarely that I just dont care. Maybe its because I dont just chill waiting for someone to shoot.

Seeing what plans they have to make weapons and ammo extremely rare as well as other things like heli engines when its gets out of beta, im not going to care even more. Happy they are going away from this being about pvp because of the abundance and ease of finding weapons and ammo and going more towards hardcore survival that still requires player interaction(good or bad).

I do see the benefits of having just first person view in close quarter combat and such, just doesnt happen much for me with how I play the game. I also enjoy being able to see my character and such and being in third when running around not killing infested and what not.

In all, who gives a shit what view people play the game in.. people dont play on night servers as well and people bitched about that. If theres few servers that are full because people dont care to play in those conditions, oh well.

 

You can't see the difference between the two? I think you're being disingenuous - only an idiot could fail to notice the difference between the two and I'm amazed you even said it - I'm sure it's not what you meant. So you play on night servers where you can't be seen anyway and hardly have anybody on them. Most people play on more populated servers where they can be spotted and of course they give a shit if they're going to lose the game because they got killed unfairly.

[Jex 1104]

people just love to ruin shit. thats it simple its no harder to play on 1st person or 3rd.

 

prooved this once by playing on a first person only server for about a month because they were obviously better for only using 1st person. after about a week server was dead and boy it was fun killing everyone :lol:

 

Demonstrably false but then you never listen or lean Dg since it's been pointed out to you mulitple times in the past.

 

So it's easier to track a person in 1pp is it?

It's easier to see over walls in 1pp is it?

it's easier to plan you're route in 1pp is it?

Combat is easier in 1pp is it?

 

It's funny because all these things become harder for me once I don't have a camera floating above my head. Your shitty hearsay evidence wasn't worth writing down since you only need to think about it to work it out.

[MLG420blazeit 62]

Everyone missed the point.

 

Problem is there's not enough HARDCORE servers!

[Jex 1104]

You people are so damn stupid. Theres a debate at my school, one group, A,wants to be tolerated and accepted for who they are. The other group,B, doesnt believe in the lifestyle, but remain silent. A says that B shouldnt force their beliefs on them, but say that B is wrong for not accepting A's lifestyle. You guys are Group A. You want us to accept yalls ways but refuse to accept ours. You dont like 3pp its simple. DONT FUCKING PLAY ON THEM. Its that simple, but you want to force us to use your playstyle. I dont KoS I play as a hero. But how many of you hate the whiny babies that cry and want PVE only? That thats the only acceptable way to play DayZ. Hell they make even me wanna go burn down Cherno. You guys are no different from the whiny antikos babies who want to force pve onto everyone.

 

Unfortunately the OP made a dick post and what most of us would prefer is the 4th wall fix on page 1 of this thread. 3rd person enabled but players and zeds will only draw if you have LOS.

[Jex 1104]

Everyone missed the point.

 

Problem is there's not enough HARDCORE servers!

 

Do you know what happened in the mod - their weren't enough hardcore servers. Then there weren't enough vanilla servers, then everyone split as the likes of shitty Epoch came along, and dayzero, origins etc. People gravitated towards to easier mods, then they gravitated to the servers that had 1000+ cars and military loot spawns all over the map meaning you were geared in 15 minutes unless you paid a sub, then you didn't even have to wait - you were geared up on spawn.

 

You please everyone and you end up with a watered down version so bleached and lifeless it's barely recognisable to the original game. That's what happens when you don't control your product and Rocket's going to let it all happen again.

[RDogg 42]

Just to correct DayZero is neither shitty or easy. It had both 1st or 3rd person servers, and is a lot harder and better done than the standalone itself right now.

 

DayZero is a good solution to any of you wanting 1st person hardcore.

[Jex 1104]

Just to correct DayZero is neither shitty or easy. It had both 1st or 3rd person servers, and is a lot harder and better done than the standalone itself right now.

 

DayZero is a good solution to any of you wanting 1st person hardcore.

 

I knew I should have cleaned up my grammar! I meant Epoch was shitty AND there were other game types too - Zero was awesome! :)

[MLG420blazeit 62]

Just to correct DayZero is neither shitty or easy. It had both 1st or 3rd person servers, and is a lot harder and better done than the standalone itself right now.

 

DayZero is a good solution to any of you wanting 1st person hardcore.

 

DayZero is dead and so are all the vanilla servers. Only servers left are bitchmade Epoch Overwatch and 100 vehicle servers.

[pale1776 375]

Unfortunately the OP made a dick post and what most of us would prefer is the 4th wall fix on page 1 of this thread. 3rd person enabled but players and zeds will only draw if you have LOS.

You know whats up. Just implement 4th wall and thats that. Best of both worlds. Still dont like it, they can just STFU and play hardcore.

[MLG420blazeit 62]

You know whats up. Just implement 4th wall and thats that. Best of both worlds. Still dont like it, they can just STFU and play hardcore.

 

People who only play 3p are against the 4th wall because they won't be able to abuse it.

[Jex 1104]

DayZero is dead and so are all the vanilla servers. Only servers left are bitchmade Epoch Overwatch and 100 vehicle servers.

 

Yep that's the end game of dayz everyone - nothing at all to do with the original game but you know what they say about the masses.

 

If I was making this game I'd make you have to wear a rusty razor blade up your ass just to play the game. Any bitches whined on my forum I'd send pycho's round to their houses. Are we in a zombie apocalypse or a base building, shitty ass pvp shoot out?

[Jex 1104]

You know whats up. Just implement 4th wall and thats that. Best of both worlds. Still dont like it, they can just STFU and play hardcore.

 

No you're not getting it. With 4th wall there won't be any difference in servers and most people won't care that some people can go to 3rd person view when they're playing in 1st person because it offers no advantage to go to 3rd person. Hardcore and Regular would be scrapped (or better yet, changed to mean HC had stronger hitting zeds and less gear spawning and higher chances of infection or something. Now that would be cool :))

[MLG420blazeit 62]

No you're not getting it. With 4th wall there won't be any difference in servers and most people won't care that some people can go to 3rd person view when they're playing in 1st person because it offers no advantage to go to 3rd person. Hardcore and Regular would be scrapped (or better yet, changed to mean HC had stronger hitting zeds and less gear spawning and higher chances of infection or something. Now that would be cool :))

 

That's the thing though. People don't want a hardcore game. They want a game that'll cater to every playstyle, they wanna log in for 15 minutes, deathmatch in Berezino and log out. Look at WoW when it was a hardcore game and look at it now.When a game caters to the lowest common denominator is when it dies.

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

Unfortunately the OP made a dick post and what most of us would prefer is the 4th wall fix on page 1 of this thread. 3rd person enabled but players and zeds will only draw if you have LOS.

The "4th wall fix" is a terrible solution. Looks absolutely ridiculous in practice and won't ever be implemented in the Standalone. Maybe after they allow mods in but that's pushing it.

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

That's the thing though. People don't want a hardcore game. They want a game that'll cater to every playstyle, they wanna log in for 15 minutes, deathmatch in Berezino and log out. Look at WoW when it was a hardcore game and look at it now.When a game caters to the lowest common denominator is when it dies.

And that's impossible, you cannot create a compelling experience if you also try to reach everyone, the point of being an independent studio without publishers to satisfy is that you can follow your vision and try to deliver something unique that is not designed to be the blandest and broadest entertainment in the world.

[pale1776 375]

People who only play 3p are against the 4th wall because they won't be able to abuse it.

I only play 3pp unless Im in a building. I actually want 4th wall, so dont assume. You make an ass out of yourself.

[Jex 1104]

That's the thing though. People don't want a hardcore game. They want a game that'll cater to every playstyle, they wanna log in for 15 minutes, deathmatch in Berezino and log out. Look at WoW when it was a hardcore game and look at it now.When a game caters to the lowest common denominator is when it dies.

 

Fuck the people then! lol. Really I don't give a shit about them and if they want PVP go and play arma 3 ffs.

 

Candy Crush makes £550,000 per day and is the biggest game on table/phone - that tells you the kind of people you're arguing with when it comes to dayz. Great people stick to their ideas, mediocrity comes when you allow others to tell you what to do.