Badmins on Dayz

[ImJakee 1]

Hi.

So recently, I entered a server where the admin of the server didn't like to play by the rules. A friend and I were holding down a jail at North East Airfield, when he glitch peeked through a wall. After typing to us, and us typing back, he kicked us from the server. And because it takes 30 seconds for your body to dissapear, he came in and shot our bodies.
I think there should be no logout time when you are kicked from the server so admins can stop abusing the game.

[Deathlove 2286]

Probably should report the name of the server. Than try to find a clean server where everyone gets along.

[The-MCV- 149]

Then again that badmin could kick all his friends from a shootout with no timer.

[ZomboWTF 527]

well, there is no way to fight abusive admins other than reporting the servers, get used to it

 

when enough reports like these are made, the servers will be shut down, instantly if it is a no join kick server

 

i have reported a few server myself recently, everytime with good feedback (especially from vilayer)

[lauda 44]

 

 

Hi.

After typing to us, and us typing back, he kicked us from the server.

 

Don´t let you provoke to type something. Just use the voicechat then he doesn´t know your name. But after all you have no chance vs a badmin. He could still kick everyone, restart the server when getting killed and so on.

 

 

[newguyzombie 122]

yeah in dayz its like: admins, the real cheater

[Mos1ey 6301]

I think there should be no logout time when you are kicked from the server so admins can stop abusing the game.

 

Yeah, I think this is a real issue which needs to be addressed. You aren't the first person to bring this up lately.

[boneboys 7988]

The only thing to do at this time, if you are absolutely certain is to report the Server.

 

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/158966-dayz-standalone-server-hosting-rules-server-reporting/#entry1603380

 

The wheels turn slowly but they do turn.

[Mos1ey 6301]

It's worth noting that you will more than likely require evidence if you are to report a server.

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

It's worth noting that you will more than likely require evidence if you are to report a server.

I understand as the renter we do not have access to the server logs, but does the GSP have access to these?  There has to be something that's recorded what's going on

[Mos1ey 6301]

I understand as the renter we do not have access to the server logs, but does the GSP have access to these?  There has to be something that's recorded what's going on

 

More than likely, but it's highly unlikely that they have the time to sift through server logs.

[xalienax 621]

More than likely, but it's highly unlikely that they have the time to sift through server logs.

Pretty much this.

 

I was an admin for 3 official mod servers at one time and trying to sift thru logs of a single server is a pain (a 60/60 server could generate hundreds-thousands of lines of log per hour in raw text format)

 

EVEN if the GSP can access your server's logs having enough people on staff to do this in the case of ever complaint filed would be an enormous expense, which would be no doubt passed on to server renters (and they're already expensive enough)

 

A central part of PC gaming has always been the ability to build up communities around a server, and remember most renters are paying a lot of $ for you to play for free. Unfortunately some immature admins do abuse the abilities they get for this- but it is generally (and should be imho) your responsibility to do all the detective work and have a black and white case of clear abuse when you go to a GSP with your complaint. It is then only thier responsibility to hear and verifiy the info you provided and act accordingly.

[MarchmelloMan 16]

Experienced something similar, even more exploiting I would say.

I got shot when running through Elektro, went into a house and bandaged myself. Suddenly someone told me, that he could see me and shoot me wherever he wants. I told him that I don't believe it and that he should shut up and he started shooting my leg - while I was safe in a house, four walls, no windows, upper floor. Well he did hit me and threatened me, that he would only stop if I come out with no weapon.

I didn't know what to do, really didn't want to go out, he probably would have exploited that situation even more and I left the game.

 

Result: no "you are dead" message but: "character was reset by system (admin)" (dont know the exact expression anymore).

[p4triot 207]

No logout time when you are kicked from the server should be a MUST. Dont even know why isn't like this already. And same for server hopping protection. If you are kicked, no server hopping penalty (which would also allow to increase server hopping penalty since only those doing it on puporse will get affected).

[ZomboWTF 527]

No logout time when you are kicked from the server should be a MUST. Dont even know why isn't like this already. And same for server hopping protection. If you are kicked, no server hopping penalty (which would also allow to increase server hopping penalty since only those doing it on puporse will get affected).

 

yeah, admins sure won't abuse THAT...

 

like kicking clan members in danger or kicking clan members to farm loot faster with multiple servers

 

asnd those two things i thought up in seconds, imagine what the community would come up with in weeks

[p4triot 207]

yeah, admins sure won't abuse THAT...

 

like kicking clan members in danger or kicking clan members to farm loot faster with multiple servers

 

asnd those two things i thought up in seconds, imagine what the community would come up with in weeks

So, we rather lose our characters during the 30sec delay after a kick and also waste our time with non deserved server hopping penalties?

 

I rather my option than yours...

Btw, kick himself or their friends to avoid server hopping penalty will only allow for 2 server farming, their own, and another one. And they will get a penalty after that second one so... isn't like they can now just restart the server over and over again and do exactly the equivalent as server hopping w/o actually changing server right?

 

And kicking their friends in combat? isn't like they restart the server right now to save their asses too so... really, I rather have no penalties for me when kicked. More win for me, and not as much for them.

Edited May 20, 2014 by p4triot

[ZomboWTF 527]

So, we rather lose our characters during the 30sec delay after a kick and also waste our time with non deserved server hopping penalties?

 

I rather my option than yours...

Btw, kick himself or their friends to avoid server hopping penalty will only allow for 2 server farming, their own, and another one. And they will get a penalty after that second one so... isn't like they can now just restart the server over and over again and do exactly the equivalent as server hopping w/o actually changing server right?

 

And kicking their friends in combat? isn't like they restart the server right now to save their asses too so... really, I rather have no penalties for me when kicked. More win for me, and not as much for them.

 

no, you would only need one server, your timer would be set to zero every time you get kicked from the clan server, wouldn't you?

 

and still, even if they couldn't kick and then kill you, they still can simply cut your connection, leaving you with the one minute timeout arma has for timeouts ;)

 

so they could still kill you while they cut your connection, and they can farm additionaly to that...

 

great

[p4triot 207]

no, you would only need one server, your timer would be set to zero every time you get kicked from the clan server, wouldn't you?

 

and still, even if they couldn't kick and then kill you, they still can simply cut your connection, leaving you with the one minute timeout arma has for timeouts ;)

 

so they could still kill you while they cut your connection, and they can farm additionaly to that...

 

great

 

By kicking themselves they can only farm 2 servers, that was what I was saying. They loot their ownserver ---> kick themselves ----> and withouth penalty join ANOTHER server and loot it ---> leave the server... (its not their server, they can't kick) and voilà! penalty for them. Good luck joining a new server, even if it's their own, cuz they have now a penalty.

 

Conclusion, no-penalty for kick only allows for 2 server farming. Restarting server allows for infinite server farming. Thus, removing penalty from kick means nothing to a BADmin. That was my point.

 

And yeah, cutting your connection would work, here and in any other game. But admin features doesn't usually feature such ability, they either kick you or ban you, but can't fake a time-out for your connection unless some experienced admin programs himself a script for that. (Which, btw, some hackers do. I had to deal with them in many games, causing you a connection lost and then kill your character before you got time-out disconnected).

 

But, still, what has this to do with the 30sec delay when kicked? remove it and you are removing one of the ways admins abuse the game. Are we gonna keep it just because they also have other means to a same end?? Doesn't seem to me like a suitable way to go.

Edited May 20, 2014 by p4triot

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

More than likely, but it's highly unlikely that they have the time to sift through server logs.

They damn well better sift through logs. People are paying a lot of money on these servers and it's very easy to report them. Unlike trying to report hackers. Edited May 20, 2014 by Caboose187

[ZomboWTF 527]

By kicking themselves they can only farm 2 servers, that was what I was saying. They loot their ownserver ---> kick themselves ----> and withouth penalty join ANOTHER server and loot it ---> leave the server... (its not their server, they can't kick) and voilà! penalty for them. Good luck joining a new server, even if it's their own, cuz they have now a penalty.

 

Conclusion, no-penalty for kick only allows for 2 server farming. Restarting server allows for infinite server farming. Thus, removing penalty from kick means nothing to a BADmin. That was my point.

 

And yeah, cutting your connection would work, here and in any other game. But admin features doesn't usually feature such ability, they either kick you or ban you, but can't fake a time-out for your connection unless some experienced admin programs himself a script for that. (Which, btw, some hackers do. I had to deal with them in many games, causing you a connection lost and then kill your character before you got time-out disconnected).

 

But, still, what has this to do with the 30sec delay when kicked? remove it and you are removing one of the ways admins abuse the game. Are we gonna keep it just because they also have other means to a same end?? Doesn't seem to me like a suitable way to go.

 

so you are saying that admins with the right tools could still abuse it

 

admins could abuse it for farming, just not very effectively

doesn't really speak for your "solution" really

 

also i bet an instant kick would have many uses in duping stuff

servers usually dont react well on an instant disconnect when even laying down an item on the floor

needs about a minute for it to appear, you would be standing helpless there for a few second anyway

 

and there could also be scripts that forces the server to kick you, while you are not kicked by the admin at all

(trying to access the server controls for example instantly kicked you back in arma 2, while it is not a valid global ban reason)

so with that you could just leave the game instantly

 

if it is such an easy and perfect solution, why don't you go over to the suggestion forum and post it there?

 

 

the best solution really is to report the admins that are abusing their powers,

to only go on servers where the admins don't abuse the powers,

or to make a server yourself with you or your trusted friends as an admin,

or, and i guess this is the most anticipated thing to come for mod players: join a private hive with good admins

 

admin abuse was a problem in the mod, it is in the standalone, and i don't think there ever will be an "easy" fix for that

[p4triot 207]

Done all of them, suggestions, had my own server and joined a private hive with good admins (which was the most effective solution by far). But as usual, is not a matter of fixing the problem, just fighting it on all fronts. Suggestions? ofc, reports? ofc, coding ways of limiting admin abuse like non penalty when kicked? ofc too. All of them are good, and ALL of them are to be done.

Edited May 20, 2014 by p4triot