Parachuting...

[Irish. 4886]

With all this talk of helicopters and whether or not we should say yes, no or remain neutral on them. It got me thinking of the ifs when they finally do implement them.. like parachuting.

 

Some mods it was automatic. Your chute pulled itself once you were a certain height from the ground. Others you had to pull it, some there was no option at all. 

 

I think a parachute has a very good place in dayz. And with the container capacity of helicopters perhaps a good idea would be to have a separate parachute that acts just like a backpack. You must remove your pack, place in the heli, and put your chute on if you want the protection incase things go wrong midair. This could also make for some amazing moments if base jumping was possible and perhaps even things like paragliding could happen one day as a form of transportation. 

 

Do you think we should even have them in dayz SA, rather automatic or user controlled once helicopters are placed in?

 

Do you like the idea of separate parachutes that are usable for other things than jumping out of aircraft? 

 

Do you like turtles? 

 

Edited May 11, 2014 by lrish

[gibonez 3633]

Dont want or see the need for any parachute.

[Irish. 4886]

Dont want or see the need for any parachute.

 

But what about turtles? :|

 

Surely you cannot disagree with me on both parashites and turtles can you? 

[gibonez 3633]

But what about turtles? :|

 

Surely you cannot disagree with me on both parashites and turtles can you? 

 

I like turtles they taste good.

[Irish. 4886]

I like turtles they taste good.

 

..you have upset the Turtle Collective Counsel. I will try to explain to them that your culture is different than theirs and we must all be accepting of each other, but if things go badly.. I would recommend not swimming in the Ocean anytime soon. 

Edited May 11, 2014 by lrish

[Bororm 1156]

Separate parachutes would be badass imo.  I like the idea of being able to stick them in the helicopter and access them in flight as well, would be nice.  Would create some interesting scenarios too having to decide to give up your pack for a chute.  I think you should have to manually pull them.

 

I think they've got a place in the game as long as there are air vehicles.  They could spawn in hangers or something.  Even come in different colors/types if ya wanted to get real fancy =P

[oanj 28]

They have parachutes on BF4 Play that

[Dchil 829]

Uhhh... not to burst your bubble but, at least for Australian Army Helicopter pilots, military Helicopter pilots are not issued parachutes by the military. This is the only viable reason you could use to say they are in helicopters but parachutes just aren't close enough to helis (except on a crowded base) for them to reasonably spawn in them. The bases in Chernarus just aren't that crowded.

 

For one reason. If you bail a heli you will most likely move slower than it, turning you into gore if the blades are still turning (which they most likely are) giving you no chance to use a parachute. Thus heli pilots are trained to Auto-rotate their helis to the ground or die trying because that is what will happen if you are high enough to use a parachute effectively.

 

In fixed wing aircraft? sure. Air base or civvie landing strip which flies parachuting trips? sure. In Helicopters? no.

[Irish. 4886]

They have parachutes on BF4 Play that

They have parachutes in dayz.. the one that came out before the one you're playing now. If you want to be cheeky or witty, at least understand what you're getting yourself into.. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAaI9XnS-to

 

And for the love of God dont bring the BF4/COD argument in here.. thats for 12 year olds. 

Edited May 11, 2014 by lrish

[Irish. 4886]

Uhhh... not to burst your bubble but

 

 

How would any of that burst my bubble? Its a game.

[Bororm 1156]

Uhhh... not to burst your bubble but, at least for Australian Army Helicopter pilots, military Helicopter pilots are not issued parachutes by the military. This is the only viable reason you could use to say they are in helicopters but parachutes just aren't close enough to helis (except on a crowded base) for them to reasonably spawn in them. The bases in Chernarus just aren't that crowded.

 

For one reason. If you bail a heli you will most likely move slower than it, turning you into gore if the blades are still turning (which they most likely are) giving you no chance to use a parachute. Thus heli pilots are trained to Auto-rotate their helis to the ground or die trying because that is what will happen if you are high enough to use a parachute effectively.

 

In fixed wing aircraft? sure. Air base or civvie landing strip which flies parachuting trips? sure. In Helicopters? no.

 

Don't think anyone was advocating the parachutes spawning in the helicopters themselves so far, though I personally don't see what's wrong with it.  We're not talking about pilots being issued parachutes here, we're talking about survivors grabbing parachutes before getting into an aircraft, and being able to store said parachute in the aircraft.  The mod allowed you to access vehicle inventory while inside, so no reason not to here.

 

The only difference from the mod that this discussion is basically talking about is having parachutes as a separate item.

 

I don't know about a crashing helicopter and not being able to bail out which seems to be what you're discussing, but there's no reason passengers shouldn't be able to do it in a functional helicopter.

I think it's bordering on too nitpicky for the sake of gameplay to say the pilots can't too at that point, and seems like too much hassle to make it not work specifically during a crash.  Was anyone really up in arms about this in the mod?

 

It's about authenticity not realism, as Rocket likes to say.

Edited May 11, 2014 by Bororm

[Irish. 4886]

A parachute could take the place of your chest holster/vest.. giving you the ability to still retain your backpack. 

 

This could be a good balance as to not piss everyone off that has to parachute and leave their pack behind.. better idea. ;)

 

Also down the road with persistent packs, it could either way.. set it down, save it for later.. go parachuting. Etc.

Edited May 11, 2014 by lrish

[PineappleWolf 33]

Did you snipe this from my reasoning with separate parachutes? 

 

Regardless, I think parachutes would be an interesting idea, and base jumping/hang gliding even more so. Jumping off of some high point on Green Mountain, or off a plane/heli, gliding around over the ground.

 

Or y'know, find a cliff. Honestly can't think of a high but open area high enough for gliding, but hey, perhaps some bigass cliffs could be added to the map, and VALLEYS. 

[Dchil 829]

Don't think anyone was advocating the parachutes spawning in the helicopters themselves so far, though I personally don't see what's wrong with it.  We're not talking about pilots being issued parachutes here, we're talking about survivors grabbing parachutes before getting into an aircraft, and being able to store said parachute in the aircraft.  The mod allowed you to access vehicle inventory while inside, so no reason not to here.

 

The only difference from the mod that this discussion is basically talking about is having parachutes as a separate item.

 

I don't know about a crashing helicopter and not being able to bail out which seems to be what you're discussing, but there's no reason passengers shouldn't be able to do it in a functional helicopter.

I think it's bordering on too nitpicky for the sake of gameplay to say the pilots can't too at that point, and seems like too much hassle to make it not work specifically during a crash.  Was anyone really up in arms about this in the mod?

 

It's about authenticity not realism, as Rocket likes to say.

Ok then. Tell me what would you use a parachute for in this game?

 

 

 

 

That's right, for when your helicopter dies and you can't land. Except that will get you killed by the rotor blades (which still spin). Also why would civvies be grabbing parachutes and getting into helis? Most people head for cars and what not.

 

 

Don't tell me you'd use parachutes for something else because that is complete BS. When you use one in the mod anyone with a brain and a firearm will be aiming at you as you are now a highly exposed pinata which most likely has decent loot. Anyone without will be looking for where you land. It's a better idea to land the heli in a close by place or on a building which you can get down from the roof and let the mounted guns (unless you have a little bird) keep you covered while you dismount. If you have to use a parachute in the mod. 99% of the time your heli will be fucked. 

 

ETA: I'm not saying we shouldn't have parachutes but that helis aren't where they should spawn. Also we need rotor blades to give realistic damage when you come into contact with you (AKA shit gets chopped off when they spin)

Edited May 11, 2014 by Dchil

[PineappleWolf 33]

Why would civvies be heading to helis? Civilians do still own helicopters and planes, albeit small not heavily armed to the teeth versions. News Helis, private Helis, Heli Tours, aviation fanatics, etc.

 

Plenty of raisins for people to have aircraft.

[Irish. 4886]

Did you snipe this from my reasoning with separate parachutes? 

 

Regardless, I think parachutes would be an interesting idea, and base jumping/hang gliding even more so. Jumping off of some high point on Green Mountain, or off a plane/heli, gliding around over the ground.

 

Or y'know, find a cliff. Honestly can't think of a high but open area high enough for gliding, but hey, perhaps some bigass cliffs could be added to the map, and VALLEYS. 

No, I dont even know what snipe thing your talking about.. I thought of it while looking at the forum threads about the helis. The last time I flew in one in Dayz we had an epic battle and were air lifting players into battle, and then we would parachute out over the NWAF and straight into combat. I want that experience again, and was thinking about it.. and then I thought of separate chutes and how the SA is sort of going in those directions anyhow so it made sense. Then I realized I could easily hangglide or paraglide off of the top of Klen Mtn. just south of the NEAF. Or devils castle.. or the cliffs over Svetlo.. so many places that you could do it and just the amount of lead that would be slung your way from the ground pounding bandits would be worth it even if you died a swift death whilst drifting softly over Chernarus. ;)

[Irish. 4886]

Ok then. Tell me what would you use a parachute for in this game? Same in real life.

 

 

 

 

That's right, for when your helicopter dies and you can't land. About 1-5% tops used it for this reason in the mods. Except that will get you killed by the rotor blades (which still spin). And this is why very few did it in the mods. Also why would civvies be grabbing parachutes and getting into helis? Most people head for cars and what not. Civies? I dont get it.. all people parachute. Not just Bin Laden killing Seal Team members.

 

 

Don't tell me you'd use parachutes for something else because that is complete BS. Base Jumping, paragliding.. is not BS. Its real. When you use one in the mod anyone with a brain and a firearm will be aiming at you as you are now a highly exposed pinata which most likely has decent loot. Its very difficult to shoot a player that is parachuting unless you are very, very close already. Anyone without will be looking for where you land. Its why you dont stand still. It's a better idea to land the heli in a close by place or on a building which you can get down from the roof and let the mounted guns (unless you have a little bird) keep you covered while you dismount. If you have to use a parachute in the mod. 99% of the time your heli will be fucked. Not true, plenty of people would parachute out for the BEST tactical insertion.

 

ETA: I'm not saying we shouldn't have parachutes but that helis aren't where they should spawn. Also we need rotor blades to give realistic damage when you come into contact with you (AKA shit gets chopped off when they spin) in the mods it killed you when you hit the blades

You sort of need to relax man.. its just a conversation. 

 

And you're sort of completely missing the original point. Watch the videos.. you'll see why dayz had parachutes before and will again most likely. No one said they should spawn in helis until you did. So stop that talk. 

Edited May 11, 2014 by lrish

[PineappleWolf 33]

I said similar things in my raisins for helicopters, pointing out how parachutes could be implemented with them. 

 

Otherwise, I like the add ons with the gliders and things, especially the turtles.

 

Me Gusta Tortugas

[Bororm 1156]

Used to parachute often in the mod.  Some time's you're over a forest and there's no place to land.  I don't wanna start a discussion about how your parachute should get caught in the trees or whatever either, because I think that again that's taking things too far.  The typical strategy is to paradop some one/multiple people just out of view (behind a hill, out of the draw distance, whatever) and have the helicopter circle and spot.  The guns were pretty shit in the mod for actually killing anyone unless you were super ace marksman (I killed some folk, I'm not saying it was impossible just not practical) so it worked well to use them simply to suppress and have people move in.  If they see you landing off in the distance it's really obvious, especially by the sound.

 

I actually parachuted less out of crashing helicopters than functional ones, because when we were crashing we'd typically be too low to parachute any ways and you could often times survive the crash.

 

Also, go play some arma 3 king of the hill, people parachute into the city all day long now because a big ass transport helicopter landing with 10 guys getting out is sorta a bigger target than 10 individual guys bailing out.  Personally, I'd rather land, just in a good spot because as you said you're a sitting duck parachuting, but it doesn't mean you never make it and it's safer for the pilot really.

 

Little birds are good for doing quick inserts, bigger helicopters not so much.

 

I agree rotors should kill you, the opposite was actually true in the mod where a parachute would often times fuck the helicopter.  I doubt it's very good for a parachute to get stuck in a helicopter's rotors either though to be fair.  Also, that was part of the issue of the mod is parachutes were automatic, so as soon as you jumped they were deployed.

Edited May 11, 2014 by Bororm

[Dchil 829]

You sort of need to relax man.. its just a conversation. 

 

And you're sort of completely missing the original point. Watch the videos.. you'll see why dayz had parachutes before and will again most likely. No one said they should spawn in helis until you did. So stop that talk. 

I guess i misread the OP. I thought you had written something along the lines of parachutes being in Helicopters by default.

[falcon1439 20]

I'd love to have parachutes! It would be amazing to do some sneaky raid on someone's base. 

[TheWanderingMan 170]

^It's great to do things in games that you'll never do in real life!

[St. Jimmy 1631]

Please say NO to parachutes.

 

The vast majority of us have played the mod and know the joys and pains of having helicopters - broken window causing fuel to leak, main rotor parts being nowhere in sight when you needed them, the joy of fixing your first heli... Then taking to the skies to find every possible clan camp on the map...

 

Just kidding :P I like both turtles and parachutes.

[Karmicdebt 46]

Uhhh... not to burst your bubble but, at least for Australian Army Helicopter pilots, military Helicopter pilots are not issued parachutes by the military. This is the only viable reason you could use to say they are in helicopters but parachutes just aren't close enough to helis (except on a crowded base) for them to reasonably spawn in them. The bases in Chernarus just aren't that crowded.

 

For one reason. If you bail a heli you will most likely move slower than it, turning you into gore if the blades are still turning (which they most likely are) giving you no chance to use a parachute. Thus heli pilots are trained to Auto-rotate their helis to the ground or die trying because that is what will happen if you are high enough to use a parachute effectively.

 

In fixed wing aircraft? sure. Air base or civvie landing strip which flies parachuting trips? sure. In Helicopters? no.

 

well dont know about australian paratroopers but  I have 32 jumps out of hueys and

chinooks and another 30 out of fixed wing.granted they were hollywood jumps.

Combat limits on altitude is 600ft. Peace time altitude is 800ft. its possible to jump from 500ft

This along with 52 hours flight time,  Personally I think the maintenance on air vehicles

would be  prohibitively monumental. what is it, 20 hours of maintenance for each hour flown.

[hombrecz 832]

A parachute could take the place of your chest holster/vest.. giving you the ability to still retain your backpack. 

 

This could be a good balance as to not piss everyone off that has to parachute and leave their pack behind.. better idea. ;)

 

Also down the road with persistent packs, it could either way.. set it down, save it for later.. go parachuting. Etc.

 

Kinda like the indea of chute taking chest slot. Soldiers parachuting also do not lose all their gear right?