How many of you find a handgun before ever finding a rifle?

[jubeidok 495]

I wonder if I'm alone in wishing that handguns were the most common of guns to find in the game. I pretty much always find a rifle, multiples even, before ever running into a handgun. For me, I think this is backwards. I personally would love to only have an FN or something for a lengthy period of time before lucking out on a rifle find. I think it's pretty fun to loot towns while having to chamber a single round to take out zeds, frantically running around to find a good spot or buying enough time to stop and chamber another round before being able to kill that second zed you aggro'd . Then, when you find that elusive handgun mag, oh man, what a relief it would be.

 

As it stands now, I rarely end up having to use my handgun once I have one. There just isn't enough zeds to cause me to run out of ammo or want to conserve it for players. That coupled with weapon switching bugs has me keeping the handgun in the vest/holster. =(  

[Guest]

In my playthrough with my friends, 2 guys had rifles and I had a handgun. They aren't that useless if you have a few more people.

[gibonez 3633]

Never.

 

Pistols should be far more common and magazines need to spawn with them.

[darth_vaizard 42]

Almost never happens... Primary weapons are too common.

[Geckofrog7 1168]

Pistols need to be more common in civilian districts, especially with police.

Why is the police station carrying Mosin Nagants and Sporter .22s?

[shaeg 136]

Currently.... the only gun better than a handgun is the mosin.

 

M4 is a glorified pea shooter with shit accuracy. Magnum does same damage with less recoil.

[gibonez 3633]

Pistols need to be more common in civilian districts, especially with police.

Why is the police station carrying Mosin Nagants and Sporter .22s?

 

Because apparently the police dept in chenarus are stuck in the 1940s.

 

The police departments should be full of sub machineguns and pistols no rifles.

 

Sks should be found in homes along with mosins.

 

Currently.... the only gun better than a handgun is the mosin.

 

M4 is a glorified pea shooter with shit accuracy. Magnum does same damage with less recoil.

 

Sadly the mosin is the only weapon in the game that sort of cuts down on the rng.

 

Only weapon that is even close to the real life accuracy of the real weapon thus you don't really feel like you are rolling dice when you shoot it.

 

Shooting the m4 at anything past 100m you will get 1 out of 5 hits for some reason .

[hotcakes 348]

Usually happens in experimental mode where stuff gets taken quickly. I find pistols and fire them California style.

[DarkwaveDomina 1099]

I sometimes like to do "pistol-only runs", and it makes me sad when I run past ten long rifles before picking up a revolver.

[Grimey Rick 3417]

Currently.... the only gun better than a handgun is the mosin.

M4 is a glorified pea shooter with shit accuracy. Magnum does same damage with less recoil.

What game are you playing? A kitted M4 is the best gun in the game hands down, as it should be. Pistols are terrible beyond 20 metres. The dispersion is ridiculous.

[shaeg 136]

What game are you playing? A kitted M4 is the best gun in the game hands down, as it should be. Pistols are terrible beyond 20 metres. The dispersion is ridiculous.

It should be.

 

But it's not.

[Katana67 2907]

No, given how obvious the rifle spawns are (i.e. the piano buildings). I think weapons need to have a broader, albeit lessened, chance to spawn in all residential buildings. Rather than just a few.

 

I'm not sure there's much to be said about having to start out with a pistol, then moving to a rifle. Think of it as primary/secondary, rather than better/worse. The only issue now, which isn't the rarity or ammo commonality (although that certainly should be tweaked), is there are no tangible benefits to using a pistol versus a rifle in most scenarios (even CQC).

 

Normally, I try and snag a suppressed pistol as a secondary. Which is a bit more difficult in the Standalone, as the suppressor doesn't actually work for the FNX and the Amphibia S is a peashooter unless it's a headshot (as it should be).

Edited April 22, 2014 by Katana67

[Grimey Rick 3417]

It should be.

 

But it's not.

 

It is if you use the Magpul parts. It's even great with the OE parts, to be honest. I fail to understand how it's a glorified pea-shooter when 2-3 shots to the chest drops someone. Testing with an ACOG and Magpul parts in semi-automatic keeps me almost bang on accurate at 400 metres. Again, I fail to understand how it's worse than the Magnum of all things. The Magnum is only useful if you're camping inside a building waiting for someone to rush you. After 20 metres, like I mentioned before, the dispersion is ridiculous.

Edited April 22, 2014 by Grimey Rick

[gibonez 3633]

It is if you use the Magpul parts. It's even great with the OE parts, to be honest. I fail to understand how it's a glorified pea-shooter when 2-3 shots to the chest drops someone. Testing with an ACOG and Magpul parts in semi-automatic keeps me almost bang on accurate at 400 metres. Again, I fail to understand how it's worse than the Magnum of all things. The Magnum is only useful if you're camping inside a building waiting for someone to rush you. After 20 metres, like I mentioned before, the dispersion is ridiculous.

 

You just said it.

 

2-3 shots to the chest drop someone. It is a pea shooter compared to the other weapons 5.56 is a nasty round and a single shot to the chest and head should take people out regardless of what kind of soft body armor they have one.

 

It is incredibly dumb when you have a ,357 magnum do far more damage than a 60 grain 22 caliber round screaming out at 3000 fps.

 

The m4 is a pea shooter in all and is by far from the best gun in the game. The mosin and revolver remain the best weapons to use against players.

[The_Monk 320]

Everyone is so fond of comparing Chernarus to Russia, so I'll do the same.

I've read somewhere that handguns that aren't air pistols are illegal for the general citizenry to own except in rare cases. Makes sense that there are more long arms than anything else.

As to the police stations and such spawning double barrels/mosins etc. The alternative at the moment is that they spawn M4s or nothing at all, the CZ75 is the only handgun that sort of makes sense for the local police force to use. Assume they are seized civillian weapons used in a crime or some such if it helps you sleep at night.

Calm your collective farms and wait till there are more weapon types in game before denouncing what type of guns spawn where.

[qww 287]

you get to knwo where things spawn, so it just depends where you aare, and if teh server has just restarted etc, so in asnwer to ops question, i find a handgun or a rifle depending on where i am in the game. also though,  i find rifles or shotguns more often that handguns in police stations

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Because apparently the police dept in chenarus are stuck in the 1940s.

 

The police departments should be full of sub machineguns and pistols no rifles.

 

Sks should be found in homes along with mosins.

 

 

Sadly the mosin is the only weapon in the game that sort of cuts down on the rng.

 

Only weapon that is even close to the real life accuracy of the real weapon thus you don't really feel like you are rolling dice when you shoot it.

 

Shooting the m4 at anything past 100m you will get 1 out of 5 hits for some reason .

Rural Russian police forces continue to use the SKS & Mosin quite a lot, they make sense (The M4A1 can be taken out of police spawns, though). You'd be more likely to find AKMs and AK-74s than any SMG unless the station housed a tactical force (like the MVD) in which you'd still see quite a few AK-74s alongside some newer SMGs and shotguns.

 

Pistols need to be more common in civilian districts, especially with police.

Why is the police station carrying Mosin Nagants and Sporter .22s?

 

Meh, makes sense to some degree. Mosin-Nagants are fairly normal in Russia so it's not uncommon practice for police forces to make use of them when needed. Sporter-22s would probably be useful for animal control given the remoteness of a lot of Chernarus.

[Grimey Rick 3417]

You just said it.

 

2-3 shots to the chest drop someone. It is a pea shooter compared to the other weapons 5.56 is a nasty round and a single shot to the chest and head should take people out regardless of what kind of soft body armor they have one.

 

It is incredibly dumb when you have a ,357 magnum do far more damage than a 60 grain 22 caliber round screaming out at 3000 fps.

 

The m4 is a pea shooter in all and is by far from the best gun in the game. The mosin and revolver remain the best weapons to use against players.

 

I was debating the dispersion more than the actual damage. The M4 remains the best gun to kill others with for more reasons than just its individual round damage. Three shots can be popped off in a second, dropping pretty much anyone in any circumstance. For people to say it's currently worse than the Mosin and Magnum is silly.

[BeefBacon 1185]

I want to see fewer M4s and SKSs and more shotguns, pistols and .22s.

 

Never.

 

Pistols should be far more common and magazines need to spawn with them.

 

Magazines should spawn with them very rarely, as in you'd be one lucky bastard to find a magazine with your pistol. Pistol magazine spawn rates should be increased and should be included in residential areas.

[Forrelist 236]

Because apparently the police dept in chenarus are stuck in the 1940s.

 

The police departments should be full of sub machineguns and pistols no rifles.

 

Sks should be found in homes along with mosins.

 

I totally agree with this. Maybe we will start seeing more handguns + magazines, plus the new MP5 in Police stations.

[Bororm 1156]

I think pistols do need a bit of a bump, the only place to reliably find them currently is firestations and jails/mil buildings.  So basically firestations and airfields.  Occasionally the schools.

 

One of the bigger issues imo is the lack of pistol mags too, you may find a pistol in a firestation/school but you're less likely to find the exact mag for it, meaning you need to go to the airfields just to load your pistol.  I agree that they should be bumped up into more residentials, maybe some of the actual house buildings because I feel in large part many of those are just skipped over.

[gibonez 3633]

I was debating the dispersion more than the actual damage. The M4 remains the best gun to kill others with for more reasons than just its individual round damage. Three shots can be popped off in a second, dropping pretty much anyone in any circumstance. For people to say it's currently worse than the Mosin and Magnum is silly.

 

Dispersion is part of the problem yes but the inconsistent damage model is also part of the problem.

 

As it stands the m4 is probably the 4th best rifle against players at the effective range of the m4.

 

At 200-500m the m4 is atrocious against players due to the damage model.

 

Currently the mosin is the weapon of choice at those ranges due to the heavy hitting sorta reliable damage and the good relative accuracy.

The m4 however at those ranges you really are rolling dice , each shot comes with a dice roll to see if your shot goes anywhere near where you aimed, each shot that connect once again is a roll of the dice to determine damage.

[Cap'n (DayZ) 1827]

Everyone is so fond of comparing Chernarus to Russia, so I'll do the same.

I've read somewhere that handguns that aren't air pistols are illegal for the general citizenry to own except in rare cases. Makes sense that there are more long arms than anything else.

As to the police stations and such spawning double barrels/mosins etc. The alternative at the moment is that they spawn M4s or nothing at all, the CZ75 is the only handgun that sort of makes sense for the local police force to use. Assume they are seized civillian weapons used in a crime or some such if it helps you sleep at night.

Calm your collective farms and wait till there are more weapon types in game before denouncing what type of guns spawn where.

 

Chernarus is a bit more unique than Russia, people just compare them primarily because no one cares.

 

The police force does not use much more than handguns. The Makarov and the CR-75 (Chernarussian clone) are standard issue pretty much. And for riot control, they just call in the defense forces. It's cheaper than equipping normal police with expensive gear.

 

AKM's and AKS-74u's would also be a fairly realistic option. I'd hope they go this route, as I'd be terribly pissed to see nothing but Western weapons.

Edited April 22, 2014 by Cap'n

[jubeidok 495]

OK, cool, so I'm not alone. =)

 

It's funny though, after posting this and playing on the latest release, I sort of ended up finding a handgun before a rifle. I had actually found a shotgun first and then a .45, but found ammo for the .45 before any shotgun shells. So here I was running circles around a group of houses in Goglovo, doing the whole Zombieland thing, in order to have enough time to throw another single round in my .45 so I can headshot the pesky zeds that won't leave me alone. It was fun.

 

On a side note, I don't get why people want to assume that everyone left everything in Chernarus nice in tidy with everything put away right where it's supposed to be when all hell broke loose??? Why do people want to assume that that gun they found is in the spot that the owner had deemed appropriate for it and not simply that it's a dropped or discarded item from someone fleeing in panic or that has been caught and turned???

[barnabus 1708]

I have found magnums before finding rifles, not often but it does happen. If I do find a rifle and I have no ammo for it I tend to not carry it.