The LMG/GPMG Thread!

[stielhandgranate 480]

You add 2 images of some modern m240B's, when 95% of the m240's/FN MAGs dont have rails on them. I dont want to start this rail shit again, but you must accept that they're not common on standart infantry squads, they arent even needed, as LMGs have mainly support role, you dont need to be pinpoint accurate with suppressing fire.

 

Rails are standard on M240s and M249s in the US military. I have never seen one without a RAS on the cover and both have been required to be equipped with handguard Rails for a very long time. I have only seen FN MAGs without rails with Sweedish and Canadian forces.

[gibonez 3633]

Rails are standard on M240s and M249s in the US military. I have never seen one without a RAS on the cover and both have been required to be equipped with handguard Rails for a very long time. I have only seen FN MAGs without rails with Sweedish and Canadian forces.

 

First generation m249s did not have rails.

 

They could always add railess m249s or m240s by saying these were older first generation lmgs issued to reserve units.

 

 

As a complete MG sucker it's a shame I've not played ACE mod or got into ARMA extensively. I've fully unlocked support class in RO and BF games I've played and one of my favourite mil possessions is an Aus Army machine gun manual for an FN MAG we found buried away at school years ago!

It's one of those great stoner myths, like tumbling bullets, that MGs are inaccurate or incapable of precision. There is a sense that they are meant to 'pepper' an area with only a general sense of lethality. Dead wrong...

 

Give it a shot when you get a chance.

 

ACE mod really does the weapons justice nothing is more fun than playing as insurgency mode with ACE mod and using a pkm to accurately rain rounds on a squad that is 1000m away. Making minor careful corrections for wind and elevation.

Edited September 13, 2014 by gibonez

[Katana67 2907]

Holy cow. Back from the dead.

[agouti 105]

 

 

 

So it is just a matter of taste then, nothing else.

 

 

No man, mgs are accurate. Their heavier barrels meant to withstand of rigors of continuous firing, combined with thicker receivers, produce a firearm that is more accurate. It's inate. Consider that. Accuracy is due to bolt lockup, stiffness of barrel and receiver, and crown (and bedding and triggers, but that's for another day). (And other factors attributed to the bullets, but we're dealing with the actual gun itself here).

 

While a good crown can be put on any rifle, the key here is the stiffness of the barrel and receiver. A barrel follows classic harmonics physics; the stiffer the barrel, the less it oscillates. Because machine gun barrels are so thick, they greatly reduce the effects of harmonics on the barrel, thus greatly increasing accuracy.

[Evil Minion 943]

Actually not - those longer heavier barrels don't increase accuracy but rather allow for longer and more sustained firing as well as increased bullet energy (in game terms: damage). If anything machine guns stay accurate longer but they are not more accurate than similar rifle. If fired in standing or crouched position they might even be less accurate because of their higher mass.

 

It seems like the Marines are actually phasing out their LMGs and replace them with automatic rifles instead because of their lower weight and higher accuracy.

[agouti 105]

Actually not - those longer heavier barrels don't increase accuracy but rather allow for longer and more sustained firing as well as increased bullet energy (in game terms: damage). If anything machine guns stay accurate longer but they are not more accurate than similar rifle. If fired in standing or crouched position they might even be less accurate because of their higher mass.

 

It seems like the Marines are actually phasing out their LMGs and replace them with automatic rifles instead because of their lower weight and higher accuracy.

 

I'm talking about mechanical accuracy, not practical accuracy. It's not the length that adds accuracy, length decreases accuracy. It's the thickness. That is why bull barrels increase accuracy, the reduce barrel warp.

 

 

Check out this video, it shows barrel warp in slow motion, as well as receiver warp. The stiffer the receiver and barrel, the less this happens.

[DURRHUNTER 597]

Holy cow. Back from the dead.

Your welcome :)

[irishroy 1347]

I don't know, if it has already been brought up, and maybe this isn't the right place to suggest it, but:

What about the MG4? It's a german LMG, fires the same ammo as the M4&AK101. Germany is closer to the east than the US, and when there's already a german SMG, why not a LMG?

[BeefBacon 1185]

My understanding is that a sniper rifle has a longer range and is more suitable for precision shots. If I wanted to remain undetected I'd rather only use one bullet from 1000 meters away than 100 bullets from 600 meters. Same with regular rifles. They're all accurate, but they're effective at different ranges. Plus I imagine that machine guns are better suited for sustained fire than a rifle.

 

I'd like to see LMGs, and I'm sure GPMGs are great too whatever they are. RKP and RPD are at the top of my list, though an M249 makes sense given the presence of the M4.

 

Finding parts of a belt is a good idea too. Maybe ammo boxes could effectively function as extended magazines. So a belt would act as a clip that can hold, say, 20 rounds. These 'clips' can be inserted into an LMG at any time, functioning as regular 20 round clips. Putting a bunch of belt 'clips' into an ammo box and then attaching the ammo box to the LMG means the LMG will automatically take ammo from the ammo box (but only if that ammo is inside of a belt 'clip'; loose ammo won't be fed).

[stielhandgranate 480]

I don't know, if it has already been brought up, and maybe this isn't the right place to suggest it, but:

What about the MG4? It's a german LMG, fires the same ammo as the M4&AK101. Germany is closer to the east than the US, and when there's already a german SMG, why not a LMG?

 

I would like the MG3.

[Cpanther 221]

I just hope they add nukes one day, so i can blow everyone to oblivion and end humanity's miserable existence in this planet... i just feel a bit sorry for the Zombies, poor things.

[doctajones 123]

Today Hicks confirmed they were working on implementing a(t least one) LMG.  Which particular firearm, however, he did not specify.

Edited September 14, 2014 by doctajones

[gibonez 3633]

Today Hicks confirmed they were working on implementing a(t least one) LMG.  Which particular firearm, however, he did not specify.

 

Surely it has to be that.

[doctajones 123]

 

Surely it has to be that.

I hope so. It would both make sense, and implement the use of 7.62x54mmR, thus amending the Mosin chambering situation. This also opens the door to several more cool/viable weapons, such as the WWII SVT, the Dragunov, and even the lever action Winchester 1895.

Although I doubt the SVT and 1895 will be included, the Dragunov would have potential to be a super rare controlled respawn item, as it would surely be very very good.

[gibonez 3633]

I hope so. It would both make sense, and implement the use of 7.62x54mmR, thus amending the Mosin chambering situation. This also opens the door to several more cool/viable weapons, such as the WWII SVT, the Dragunov, and even the lever action Winchester 1895.

Although I doubt the SVT and 1895 will be included, the Dragunov would have potential to be a super rare controlled respawn item, as it would surely be very very good.

 

SVD is confirmed, The SVT would be a welcomed gun a good mid tier battle rifle after the m1 garand and sks.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

 

 

Surely it has to be that.

One problem... the PK is a GPMG.

 

It's probably an RPK or RPD, and if not then an FN Minimi/M249.

 

Then again, most people call any MG that you can carry in your hands an "LMG" (I've had friends call an M60E4 an LMG before), so I guess it could be anything.

[w1lg5r 70]

I just hope they add nukes one day, so i can blow everyone to oblivion and end humanity's miserable existence in this planet... i just feel a bit sorry for the Zombies, poor things.

Nukes are completely different. An MG is realistic, fit in to the scenario and can be balanced. They aren't complete death machines.

 

Plus I back the idea of an MG3

Edited September 15, 2014 by lootable