Stand alone attachment system = COD

[bfisher 561]

Or just have decent scopes be rare (which they are). Or just have weapons which can mount scopes be rare. Or just have ammo for sniper rifles be rare. Not sure where these so-called "sniper fests" even occur, besides the cities, which should be suicidal anyhow.

 

It's not like there's a DMR mag in every hamlet and a DMR in every deer stand (as was possible in the mod). The "sniping" has been neutered heavily since the mod. What more do you want?

 

Clearly you never played the Mod. :D

 

Certainly we don't want it to turn into the Mod where everyone had an AS50 or DMR.  But I don't know that long rifles should be particularly "rare" either.  A civilian hunting rifle is no different from most military sniper rifles.  The problem isn't the rarity.  The problem is that because it's a videogame, all it takes is to kill something a mile away is to point and click at it.  If you make it harder by having to manually zero the rifle, AND correct for wind and whatnot, at least you'll reduce the whole "one shot one kill from one mile away" effect. 

[Katana67 2907]

Clearly you never played the Mod. :D

 

Certainly we don't want it to turn into the Mod where everyone had an AS50 or DMR.  But I don't know that long rifles should be particularly "rare" either.  A civilian hunting rifle is no different from most military sniper rifles.  The problem isn't the rarity.  The problem is that because it's a videogame, all it takes is to kill something a mile away is to point and click at it.  If you make it harder by having to manually zero the rifle, AND correct for wind and whatnot, at least you'll reduce the whole "one shot one kill from one mile away" effect. 

 

Played it for two years. So, yeah, I played it. A lot.

 

Civilian rifles are most certainly different from military sniper rifles. Even Mosin sniper rifles in WWII were specifically accurized and selected. To say nothing of modern sniper rifles (like the M40A5) which feature almost nothing in common with their "civilian" cousins (i.e. the Remington 700 action, heavily tweaked by Marine armorers).

 

Rarity is a massive issue. It dictates how often one would even have a functioning sniper rifle in the first place.

Edited April 9, 2014 by Katana67

[gibonez 3633]

 

 

Civilian rifles are most certainly different from military sniper rifles. Even Mosin sniper rifles in WWII were specifically accurized and selected. To say nothing of modern sniper rifles (like the M40A5) which feature almost nothing in common with their "civilian" cousins (i.e. the Remington 700 action, heavily tweaked by Marine armorers).

 

 

 

Huh ?

 

They are daam near the same thing as a stock remington 700.

 

Heck the civilian market for precision firearms far exceeds anything any military can come up with.

[McGlock 3]

Yeah I know right, so unrealistic! Hopefully they'll get rid of the zombies soon too because that is just too far fetched for me. 

[Katana67 2907]

Huh ?

 

They are daam near the same thing as a stock remington 700.

 

Heck the civilian market for precision firearms far exceeds anything any military can come up with.

 

Seeing as every scrap of an M40A5 is different, highly tuned by Marine armorers, accurized, and mostly originating from the civilian market (i.e. McMillan stock, Schneider barrels, magazine-fed, etc.) gonna' go ahead and disagree with you.

Edited April 9, 2014 by Katana67

[gibonez 3633]

Seeing as every scrap of an M40A5 is different, highly tuned by Marine armorers, accurized, and mostly originating from the civilian market (i.e. McMillan stock, Schneider barrels, etc.) gonna' go ahead and disagree with you.

 

:/ sorry about that I missread what you typed. I somehow read that as saying that the m40 was much better than anything out on the civilian market.

[bfisher 561]

Played it for two years. So, yeah, I played it.

 

Civilian rifles are most certainly different from military sniper rifles. Even Mosin sniper rifles in WWII were specifically accurized and selected. To say nothing of modern sniper rifles (like the M40A5) which feature almost nothing in common with their "civilian" cousins.

 

Rarity is a massive issue. It dictates how often one would even have a functioning sniper rifle in the first place.

 

The M40 sniper rifle is basically a Remington Model 700.  Both fire a round based off of the .308 Winchester.  Much of the difference has to do with materials, accessories and shape of the stock.  Stuff that doesn't matter in a videogame.  For game purposes, I would submit they are nearly identical. 

[hellcat420 212]

i think putting a scope on your rifle should require your character to fiddle with it wasting ammo for 4 hours trying to get it accurate, until he just gives up, rips the scope off, and just uses the iron sights. Realism at its finest.  :lol:

that is anything but realistic. it takes 10 bullets at most to sight in a firearm. you dont "fiddle" with remounting the scope to sight it in. you fire a shot, adjust windage/elevation dials, fire another shot, repeat until its sighted in. lol it takes about 10 mins.

[hells high 676]

That can't easily be the answer in this situation.

 

They laid the foundation now and this is not some bug that is scheduled to be fix or something this is the beginning of what their accessory system is and it might just come to show what to expect in the future.

 

The only foundation they laid is adding attachments to your weapon. They could easily be modified to do absolutely nothing if they so desired.

 

I don't know what to do with the attachments, I don't have any design ideas, but frankly I don't shoot enough people to notice the differences in accuracy. I like the way the default handguard looks on an M4, and I find the MOE butt stock very comfortable and fairly appealing. If anything adding the MOE parts should make the weapon lighter and thus more maneuverable via the dexterity system they plan to implement.

[gibonez 3633]

that is anything but realistic. it takes 10 bullets at most to sight in a firearm. you dont "fiddle" with remounting the scope to sight it in. you fire a shot, adjust windage/elevation dials, fire another shot, repeat until its sighted in. lol it takes about 10 mins.

 

I think hes trying to say within the context of the game and knowing the typical demographic of dayz people give up and drop the sniper rifle and then go and complain that this game is too much like real life.

[Katana67 2907]

The M40 sniper rifle is basically a Remington Model 700.  Both fire a round based off of the .308 Winchester.  Much of the difference has to do with materials, accessories and shape of the stock.  Stuff that doesn't matter in a videogame.  For game purposes, I would submit they are nearly identical. 

 

Well for game purposes, I would submit that that's completely hypothetical, as neither of them are in the game. Nor were we actually comparing the two as if they'd both be included in-game.

 

The fact remains that civilian rifles (stock ones, like the base Remington 700) are not equal to highly tuned and modified military variants. So to say that they're one in the same isn't accurate.

 

Look at the Mosin. A gun which is actually in DayZ. The sniper variants were purposefully selected by armorers at Tula (and other places) and accurized, machined, added a new bolt handle, and mounted with optics. It's not like one could just slap a PU scope (which requires modification to the weapon itself) onto any old Mosin and have it perform as well as a purpose-built sniper variant.

Edited April 9, 2014 by Katana67

[gibonez 3633]

The only foundation they laid is adding attachments to your weapon. They could easily be modified to do absolutely nothing if they so desired.

 

I don't know what to do with the attachments, I don't have any design ideas, but frankly I don't shoot enough people to notice the differences in accuracy. I like the way the default handguard looks on an M4, and I find the MOE butt stock very comfortable and fairly appealing. If anything adding the MOE parts should make the weapon lighter and thus more maneuverable via the dexterity system they plan to implement.

 

See something like that is an excellent way to incorporate accessories.

 

Tiny touches in detail that mirror real life and positively affects gameplay.

 

Another nice little touch would be to have magpul stocks hold 1 battery since real life magpul stocks have a small storage compartment for optic batteries.

[bfisher 561]

Yeah I know right, so unrealistic! Hopefully they'll get rid of the zombies soon too because that is just too far fetched for me. 

 

People keep using the term "realistic".  I don't think that's really what we all mean or really want.  I think it's more about setting the mood of the game.  It's not supposed to be spawning in and within 5 minutes be outfitted like a Spetsnaz commando so you can run around mowing down zombies and other players COD style.  I think it's supposed to be more along the lines of sneaking around on the verge of starvation, scraping by with what you can, avoiding zombies and players who all seem to be better armed and more numerous, and making the most out of that old hunting rifle with 5 rounds or discarded AK-47 with the useless NATO STANAG mag that doesn't fit but you don't want to get rid of because you don't know if your next find will be an M4 or a 7.62mm banana mag.

 

If it were "realistic", Balota airbase would have hundreds of military weapons just lying around the armory.

 

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[hellcat420 212]

Seeing as every scrap of an M40A5 is different, highly tuned by Marine armorers, accurized, and mostly originating from the civilian market (i.e. McMillan stock, Schneider barrels, magazine-fed, etc.) gonna' go ahead and disagree with you.

actually, the ammunition is mostly what sets the military snipers apart from civilian ones, with the exception of purpose build military sniper rifles. the military armorers keep might tighter tolerance on their ammo than the civilian market does. that is why loading your own ammunition is lightyears ahead of what you can buy in the store if you know what your doing. the company i work for used to produce .50 cal frangible rounds, but the hassle was not worth the profit in the end.

[Murlough 192]

I feel like im the only guy here who likes playing cod... Also no. This game is NOTHING like cod and NO the guys running around kosing are killing you because they probably enjoy hereing you bitch. NOT because they think they are playing cod. Thank you for your time have a nice day.

[Katana67 2907]

... with the exception of purpose build military sniper rifles.

 

Which is what we're talking about, seeing that most are tailored to fire specific rounds. It's a combination of both.

 

Either way, just realized that none of this is on-topic. Sorry folks.

[gibonez 3633]

I feel like im the only guy here who likes playing cod... Also no. This game is NOTHING like cod and NO the guys running around kosing are killing you because they probably enjoy hereing you bitch. NOT because they think they are playing cod. Thank you for your time have a nice day.

 

Hey if you like cod then go ahead and enjoy it , this thread is not ment to demean or criticize COD or any of the other mainstream arcade shooters.

 

It is only here to show how similiar the new Accessory system in stand alone is to those mainstream accessory mechanics.

 

This is not a good thing because Stand Alone and arma are completely different beasts, they are not mainstream, they are niche, they are not arcade they are sims or atleast cater to realism.

Edited April 9, 2014 by gibonez

[hellcat420 212]

Which is what we're talking about, seeing that most are tailored to fire specific rounds. It's a combination of both.

 

Either way, just realized that none of this is on-topic. Sorry folks.

purpose build snipers are rifles like thebarret 50cal that were specifically created for the military then converted over to civilan market, not converted remmington 700's. just because something is a military weapon does not make it better.

[Murlough 192]

Hey if you like cod then go ahead and enjoy it , this thread is not ment to demean or criticize COD or any of the other mainstream arcade shooters.

It is only here to show how similiar the new Accessory system in stand alone is to those mainstream accessory mechanics.

This is not a good thing because Stand Alone and Arma are completely different beasts, they are not mainstream, they are niche, they are not arcade they are sims or atleast cater to realism.

Okie Dokie then.

[gibonez 3633]

actually, the ammunition is mostly what sets the military snipers apart from civilian ones, with the exception of purpose build military sniper rifles. the military armorers keep might tighter tolerance on their ammo than the civilian market does. that is why loading your own ammunition is lightyears ahead of what you can buy in the store if you know what your doing. the company i work for used to produce .50 cal frangible rounds, but the hassle was not worth the profit in the end.

 

It is actually quite the opposite hell.

 

The civilian market for precision fire arms and ammo is soo far ahead of what the military produces and procures.

 

Like it is not even fair how much better the ammo and firearms you can get on the civilian market are when you focus on precision.

[Katana67 2907]

purpose build snipers are rifles like thebarret 50cal that were specifically created for the military then converted over to civilan market, not converted remmington 700's. just because something is a military weapon does not make it better.

 

I'm saying accurized, tuned, and purpose-built rifles perform better than stock un-modified weapons. That's all. Take it or leave it.

[Steak and Potatoes 13480]

So I suppose they should scrap the AC-130 kill streak system they have been working on.

Edited April 9, 2014 by Steak and Potatoes

[Etherious 907]

So I suppose they should scrap the AC-130 kill streak system they have been working on.

Awww I thought they were gonna do a C-1 Galaxy Kamikaze ability streak. :(  

[Irish. 4886]

That can't easily be the answer in this situation.

 

They laid the foundation now and this is not some bug that is scheduled to be fix or something this is the beginning of what their accessory system is and it might just come to show what to expect in the future.

Actually, yes it is the exact and only answer. 

 

The game is still in very early stages of development...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

..so go play COD or something until you can handle that idea. 

[hellcat420 212]

It is actually quite the opposite hell.

 

The civilian market for precision fire arms and ammo is soo far ahead of what the military produces and procures.

 

Like it is not even fair how much better the ammo and firearms you can get on the civilian market are when you focus on precision.

military snipers do not use out of the box ammo for their sniper rifles. they get special ammo made for them by armorers. designated marksmen use the normal ammo that the rest of the soldiers use. hell they even advertise this fact on tv and show the snipers ammo being made.

Edited April 9, 2014 by hellcat420