[Petition] Password or Kick permissions for SA servers !

[IamDinner 28]

 

Okey I respect the rules word after word. 

 

No restart every 4 hours.    ------>  You may perform the following actions on your server  o Restart server 

Never stop my server      -------->  You may perform the following actions on your server   o Turn the server off 

= 

Full Crash server and no loot = Good game guys

 

 

And I can kick to cheat / Hack / Harassment without proof because we can not prove. But we can kick for (harassment, cheating, exploiting bugs) it will say that we are autorized to kick for this reason and in not us pronbleme how to proved but bohémia's to give us the tool for. or review the rules and just say NO KICK and BASTA.

 

 

And I can BAN because nothing says I can not Ban in the rulesand that is a fail from bohémia. 

 

Voila! 

 

Is that better?

 

(If you take us for idiots are going to play idiot)

 

 

Sounds like you made a decision then?

[shaeg 136]

Password Or kick = PVE... is against the rules unless if it was a private hive, clans would jsut gear up on "safe" servers and then come KOS people on pub servers.. would be stupid.

[P0rkchop 31]

Le Grille? What the hell is that?

[hefeweizen 254]

Public-hive server admins need less control IMO, it's become a joke how many servers are disregarding the rules and relying on GSP's to enforce them clearly doesn't work. Once private servers are implemented, admins can be given more control and frankly do what they want as their actions will not affect the public hive. The current system is a disaster though, all public-hive servers should have been run entirely by BIS to begin with.

Agree so many times. There needs to be less server (and therefore less empty loot farms) and they need to be run by BI to get rid of admin abuse.

[hutchthefreaker 49]

Le Grille? What the hell is that?

Where a pork chop belongs my friend. 

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

 

Okey I respect the rules word after word. 

 

No restart every 4 hours.    ------>  You may perform the following actions on your server  o Restart server 

Never stop my server      -------->  You may perform the following actions on your server   o Turn the server off 

= 

Full Crash server and no loot = Good game guys

 

 

And I can kick to cheat / Hack / Harassment without proof because we can not prove. But we can kick for (harassment, cheating, exploiting bugs) it will say that we are autorized to kick for this reason and in not us pronbleme how to proved but bohémia's to give us the tool for. or review the rules and just say NO KICK and BASTA.

 

 

And I can BAN because nothing says I can not Ban in the rulesand that is a fail from bohémia. 

 

Voila! 

 

Is that better?

 

(If you take us for idiots are going to play idiot)

 

None of this is up for debate. You break the rules, you'll get reported and your server will be taken from you. There is no "discussion" to be had about any of this.

[St. Jimmy 1631]

I wonder why people are renting servers when all the servers at the beginning were enough? I think the game would do better without those rented servers. They shouldn't let that happen at the beginning but now it's too late...

[pilgrim* 3514]

MORE THAN 50% of servers on line tonight are private. This fact is well known to everyone.

 

Private.. meaning:

 

Auto-kick

Clan Server

White List

Clan and Friends Only

Join=Reset and Ban

Join=Kick

Reserved

Testing. Character reset

Pay to Play

Password Only

Server Locked

 

All these exist now - just about every server with 8 or less players is private - try to join one (really- just TRY). In addition, many other servers that do not have direct threats in the titles ALSO use Autokick.. It's not the name (which is bad enough, if I was Bohemia I'd be ...ashamed...) its the POLICY

 

The result is:  more than 80% of normal john-doe players are playing on less than 15% of servers

Because those are the only ones they can get access to.

 

It takes 15 mins to look through the lists and do the statistics yourself.

 

Whitelist and Auto-Kick software is VERY EASY to implement as it runs on the Admin's own pc, on the back of the server management tool. It is NOT detectable by Battleye or by the Server Providers. And the Server Providers care as much as Bohemia,

... they are falling over themselves to put a stop to it - as we all know. The Server Providers are tearing their hair out, The Bohemia statement on "What we are doing about this" is a famously free and frank discussion that can be read anywhere. This is also well known.

 

Does anyone think I am being ironic? I hope not. We are players, we notice these things. 

 

I am in Europe. Often now I have to play on USA servers, because the Americans seem generally more honest about this. You CAN join their servers - even though you have a high ping and play is not ideal. When I play now - or try to play - I start a normal evening by getting kicked or not being able to join, 5 or 6 times in a row.  Most servers in the list have less than eight players, and those you CAN NOT ENTER. They have from 1 to 8 players because they are PRIVATE. The remaining servers are all just about 40/40 because no one has anywhere else to play.

 

GO look.

 

ps - the French speaking admin further up the thread wanted to know how to password his server and why couldn't he do it (rough translation). Someone should tell him it's already being done right now. He only needs to find a passworded server on line tonight, get in touch with the Admin and ask for help. But someone else will have to explain that to him, not me (I'm not in a helpful mood).

And frankly a Whitelist with Autokick is much easier to set up.

How can any player PROVE they were kicked because their name is not on a list ?

 

hmm?

 

ps - if the Admin mentioned goes to, for instance 198.27.69.90:2502  he'll find 4 players online at the moment (18/04 21h04 CET) and he'll need a password to get in. I'm sure Sgt Crisp can help him out. Or ... just .. whatever (no offence Captain Biscuit, was just the first that came up when I looked). I don't even remember the dude's name. Nah.. I don't even want to know. I' going to do something else now more fun. See ya!

 

Enjoy.

Edited April 19, 2014 by pilgrim

[real meatshield 424]

I didnt realize server admins had any access to BEC at all, on SA servers. I certainly don't, not with gameservers. Let alone bein able to set up a whitelist, or actually ban people. That is kinda fucked up if there are GSPs allowing access to those files in the backend, when we as admins are clearly not allowed to do any of that.

[pilgrim* 3514]

I didnt realize server admins had any access to BEC at all, on SA servers. I certainly don't, not with gameservers. Let alone bein able to set up a whitelist, or actually ban people. That is kinda fucked up if there are GSPs allowing access to those files in the backend, when we as admins are clearly not allowed to do any of that.

 

Details: In fact you don't need access to ANY BEC files or server files - you have your server administration software up on your screen at home. In that software you can SEE a list of players and you can also KICK players - ok... (thats about all you can do)

 

So your Whitelist/Autokick software does this.. it READS the list of players (so you do not have to read the list yourself) it Compares the list of players to a whitelist on your pc - just a text file is ok... if it finds a name on the player list that is NOT on the whitelist, it kicks that player.

 

This is very very old and boring software - all you are doing is Auto Read from the Input, and Auto Write to the Output

Softs to do this for ALL kinds of programmes have been around since (probably) keyboards and screens were invented.

It's really the same soft that used to screw around with bulletin boards, back before they invented those little jpeg pictures with words in funny colors to make it difficult for the software to read (its an image, its not ASCII).. you remember that..

 

So your little programme sits on the PC and does exactly what the Admin can do himself by HAND, except it saves him the trouble of having to read or type for himself.

 

This is why I said in my last post above -  the French team in this thread are going to a lot of trouble when they want to put a password entry on their server.. Personally I DONT know how to do that, I haven't looked at how it's done, I just happen to have seen the screens that say "Enter Password". I give an example of a passworded server but there are others, just the same as there are locked servers with people playing on them. Go figure. Maybe the Admins are doing that to show how clever they are?? I have no idea what that is about, or why they bother. Unless they do it because they want Bohemia to KNOW they don't give a Flying Rat.

 

If you are Autokicked you CAN NOT PROVE that you were auto kicked.

 

All the software does is what the Admin can do by hand from his own PC.. and he can give any excuse he likes - IF anyone asks. But if you look at the server lists now tonight, you will see that NO ONE is asking.

 

.. this is really a fairy story..

Bohemia I and all the DEVS know it

ALL the Server Providers know it

And +200 Admins know it...

so I'm not giving away any secret here... the fairy story goes ... one day someone says:

 

<<The King Has No Clothes>>

 

Hey !

 

°

 

For fun, arrange your server list by Number of Players

 

[And please NOTE - here I'm talking about EUROPE, Saturday Night, peak playing time.. I can't say what happens on USA servers when they are on full throttle... wrong time of day for me. I get the impression this situation is not so bad in the USA, but that's just an impression.. not the statistics]

 

FIRST on your list you'll find 75+ servers with ZERO players - you can not enter any of these, you get "Waiting for client". You get that message forever.

(given the price of ONE server, people ought to ask - if there are 75+ servers with NO players on Saturday night - someone must be making a lot of money for NOTHING, right?  Why are they there?)

 

THEN also most of the next 50+ servers with 1 or 2 or 3 players will also give you the "Waiting for client" message. (there were about 50 of these last week, saturday night)

 

THEN you get a list of about 125-150 servers that have less than 8 players. Read their names - TRY to join..

 

ok we've already gone through 200+ servers there... not bad hu?

 

THEN... (etc, maybe this is boring..)

 

Servers with 1 to 8 players you will probably not get in or will be kicked immediately. I notice this week the numbers on private servers has gone up a little - so on saturday night it could be 1 to 12 players on that LONG list of private.. but often there are only about 1 to 3 players, with an average of 5.

 

Mixed in with the rest of the servers are some honest ones, GOOD PEOPLE, that let you in ... and also some that kick you manually if they feel like it, and some that restart any time they see there are too many strangers turning up. Plenty of servers have nice names like "Nube Server for Fun Fun Fun"... but they kick anyway

 

There are more figures I worked out, but I won't bore you with them. Anyone can do this. I already bored myself enough. I guess the figures change a little all the time. I was doing this last saturday evening. Euro Central Time.

 

AT the other end - a the bottom of your list (where you haver the most players per server) you will find maybe 50 servers that are full. They are the "honest" servers and they are all very close to 30/30 or 40/40.

 

Last week, when I did the calculation, the full, honest servers came out at 12 percent of all the servers listed. So 12% of the servers haver 80% of the players.  Why? 

 

This was just my own little survey, because I was bored with not being able to play.. so I'm not claiming scientific accuracy, I'm saying what I noticed, I wrote down some figures and added up numbers of players, etc.. Best thing to do is to try it yourself and see what numbers you come up with. But no one cares, right? Do I care?

 

Moral: I'm afraid it's just too late, friend, the private servers are in place, there are MORE private servers than honest public servers, they dont give a damn about Bohemia's policy or the "Server Rules".

Nothing is going to happen to change this, except MORE admins are kicking normal players each week, so this is becoming a MEMBERSHIP ONLY game very fast.. it's a pity that those Admins have access to the public hive, but that's just a fact of life.

 

I hope you have a good server to play on, anyway.

 

Enjoy

Edited April 19, 2014 by pilgrim

[real meatshield 424]

Well I have a favorites list thats about a half dozen servers, including my own. Whatever peeps are doing on those other servers really dont make much of a difference, since I just dont join them at all.

 

Find a few good ones, add em to your favorites, and there ya go- no problem. I don't have time to waste, worrying about what people are doing on other servers. I want to play, I know where to go.