I HATE playing 3rd person servers.

[Rauchsauger 94]

How do you figure that's true at all? You would have no clue someone was coming and they would have no clue you are there. I personally would have a fairly decent chance of killing you in that situation as I'm in the 99th percentile for reaction time and always anticipate that there is an enemy everywhere at every time.

If I enter a corridor of one of the tec buildings.

You can only come from the right and move to the left.

If I position my self on the staircase you can only move from left to right.

You show up I shoot.

Of course I would know someone is coming the map is far to big to just camp.

So you see someone coming up - you know they will check (90% unlooted tec building its nearly 100%) the building you set yourself up.

Edited March 24, 2014 by Rauchsauger

[casper1 44]

How do you figure that's true at all? You would have no clue someone was coming and they would have no clue you are there. I personally would have a fairly decent chance of killing you in that situation as I'm in the 99th percentile for reaction time.

 

He doesn't need to figure it out as it's obvious, because he is camping the doorways so your reaction time can't match with his reaction time unless he gone afk. Especially in a slow-paced game. You can  only do it by pre-firing as all fast paced fps players do along with bunny hop. (But you can't do that in DayZ)

Edited March 24, 2014 by =1PARA=Prime=C.O=

[finalstraw 193]

How Do you think, that guy will shoot the other guy without poping his head?  Same thing happens in first person, you'll always get an advantage from environment. (Counter Strike, BF/COD Games) all same.

 

(I pointed out for players over players.) If you know all the view angles then everyone has equal chance due to equal knowledge. Therfor doesn't matter as long as everyone has access on same tool.

 

On Third person, you should expect that so you already aware of the incoming danger. (So point your gun at corners) for that situation.

 

The major difference between 1PP and 3PP is the lack of information. 1PP creates a natural 'fog of war' that exists in reality, this lack of information makes us cautious and fearful.

 

In the example image above the 3PP allows the player to see his opponent (and his exact position) in advance without exposing himself and then ambush him when he is ready. He can plan his attack and strike when ready. His opponent is completely unaware of his presence the entire time.

 

That same situation in 1st person plays out differently, the player would have to check the corner and in doing so expose himself to his opponent and then react appropriately (without any pre-planning). The opponent player could also react by running, hiding or shooting back. Something that would have been nearly impossible in the 3PP situation as the player has the drop on him before hand.

 

I'm sorry but arguments that 3PP is 'fair because everyone has it' don't hold up.

[Weedz 1105]

He doesn't need to figure it out as it's obvious, because he is camping the doorways so your reaction time can't match with his reaction time unless he gone afk. Especially in a slow-paced game. You can  only do it by pre-firing as all fast paced fps players do along with bunny hop. (But you can't do that in DayZ)

People who are camping don't magically get faster reaction times or have their game running slightly in the future from other people. You're talking as if people who are camping on a first person server can still magically see around corners and know people are coming in a desperate attempt to make yourself seem right.

Edited March 24, 2014 by Weedz

[Karmaterror 982]

Don't worry Dagwood give it some time and you'll be like me and understand that these people will never care about or even read your points because they are so firm set in their ways of ruining the game for themselves that they couldn't care less about anything that would go against the crutches they cling onto like it's a life raft. They will in fact most of the time start insulting and using every swear in the book on you if you prove anything they are saying to be false with cold hard facts.

 

As you can see this guy came into a thread about not liking 3rd person view and started spouting off about how people who play on hardcore servers only do it because they are wussies and afraid of corner campers and then brags about how good he is because he corner camps and then saying people who want to play in 1st person on normal servers but can't because everyone else is corner camping are crying because they need a "safety blanket" (not because they don't want to be playing a FPS against "wall hackers"). All this was before I ever posted in the thread and now he's acting all high and mighty like that never happened while reposting it.

 

I call my best friends things much worse than "scrub" on a daily basis.

 

Wow you really are full of it,. One quote please where I brag about being good, or brag about corner camping, or brag about anything. I never said wussies....I said they were afraid. Fear and being afraid are common human emotions nothing more nothing less. I know that fear of peekers is a big motivator that pushes people to hardcore. The friends I play with on there don't think its negative, but admit that's why they are there.

 

That's the point I was making. And that basically I think dayz should remain as it is with 3rd servers and 1st only servers. Want some reasons...

 

Appeals to a broader spectrum of gamers - good for sales

3rd is an effective tool used in video games for storytelling -helps you connect with the character by watching him/her interact within the game world.

Hardcore servers exist, for those that really don't want to play 3rd - So everybody wins

[Rauchsauger 94]

People who are camping don't magically get faster reaction times or have their game running slightly in the future from other people. You're talking as if people who are camping on a first person server can still magically see around corners and know people are coming in a desperate attempt to make yourself seem right.

Like I posted above http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/181803-i-hate-playing-3rd-person-servers/page-6#entry1876624

You cant effectively camp in DAYZ due to map size. You scan a approach vector and when someone approaches you set yourself up and ambush

the shit out of whoever has the bad luck to enter your trap.

But most important:

GO PLAY HARDCORE

[casper1 44]

The major difference between 1PP and 3PP is the lack of information. 1PP creates a natural 'fog of war' that exists in reality, this lack of information makes us cautious and fearful.

 

In the example image above the 3PP allows the player to see his opponent (and his exact position) in advance without exposing himself and then ambush him when he is ready. He can plan his attack and strike when ready. His opponent is completely unaware of his presence the entire time.

 

That same situation in 1st person plays out differently, the player would have to check the corner and in doing so expose himself to his opponent and then react appropriately (without any pre-planning). The opponent player could also react by running, hiding or shooting back. Something that would have been nearly impossible in the 3PP situation as the player has the drop on him before hand.

 

I'm sorry but arguments that 3PP is 'fair because everyone has it' don't hold up.

 

Now if we are talking about the differences between 3PP vs 1PP , i mostly agree what you are saying. But we are talking about 3PP VS 3PP , therfor players have access to same knowledge and view angle with its flaws.

Hence that makes it equal for all "player over player"  forget about the environment since if you are on a rooftop in first person that will give you wider angle as well in first person vs 1st person.

 

I'm not saying it hasn't got its flaws or not even arguing if it's good or bad.  What am saying , everyone has access to it on server and they are aware of it. (Same for all)

Edited March 24, 2014 by =1PARA=Prime=C.O=

[Weedz 1105]

Like I posted above http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/181803-i-hate-playing-3rd-person-servers/page-6#entry1876624

You cant effectively camp in DAYZ due to map size. You scan a approach vector and when someone approaches you set yourself up and ambush

the shit out of whoever has the bad luck to enter your trap.

But most important:

GO PLAY HARDCORE

Oh sweet thanks for teaching me how to kill people in DayZ. What does anything you said have to do with my response to someone who says they are going camp laying prone in a hallway? And you knowing someone will probably come into your building eventually is not you knowing the exact second that someone is coming around a corner because you can somehow magically see around it even though you're in first person.

[Ineedscoffee 464]

i play, and enjoy, both. 

 

sue me

[enforcer1975 1111]

Now if we are talking about the differences between 3PP vs 1PP , i mostly agree what you are saying. But we are talking about 3PP VS 3PP , therfor players have access to same knowledge and view angle with its flaws.

 

Wrong...one side has information he shouldn't have, in this case the player using 3pv to look around the corner knows who is coming while if he had been using 1pv he wouldn't have known someone is there and could not plan how to act in advance but had to react. I hope we can make you realize that sooner than later. Did you watch dslyecxi's video? Watch it over and over again, he shows it several times how a player using 3pv can get information easily without giving information about his presence to the enemy although he should have at least shown a bit of him when he had to look around the corner the normal way. Or do think it's normal that i can facewall under a window and see who is standing in the room behind it?

[Rauchsauger 94]

The major difference between 1PP and 3PP is the lack of information. 1PP creates a natural 'fog of war' that exists in reality, this lack of information makes us cautious and fearful.

 

In the example image above the 3PP allows the player to see his opponent (and his exact position) in advance without exposing himself and then ambush him when he is ready. He can plan his attack and strike when ready. His opponent is completely unaware of his presence the entire time.

 

That same situation in 1st person plays out differently, the player would have to check the corner and in doing so expose himself to his opponent and then react appropriately (without any pre-planning). The opponent player could also react by running, hiding or shooting back. Something that would have been nearly impossible in the 3PP situation as the player has the drop on him before hand.

 

I'm sorry but arguments that 3PP is 'fair because everyone has it' don't hold up.

I play hardcore and I play regular.

If you adjust your playstyle you can adjust for both gametype pros and cons.

In regular I feel constanly like I'm being watched and with me mostly haunting Elektro that will be true very often. So I play different and take other paths to move about and trying to combat the disadvantages I would have if I would just approach that fence straight.

When playing hardcore I feel A LOT safer from prying eyes and I play in a way that lets me approach structure so I can lean the corners to get a peak (CS style + added benefit of actual leaning in game).

Sneaking up on snipers in the elektro hills is way easier in hardcore / stalking someone is so much easier in regular

It basically is potato patata BUT IT IS YOUR CHOICE WHAT MODE YOU PLAY AND OTHERS CAN ALSO PLAY LIKE THEY WANT

Edited March 24, 2014 by Rauchsauger

[casper1 44]

Wrong...one side has information he shouldn't have, in this case the player using 3pv to look around the corner knows who is coming while if he had been using 1pv he wouldn't have known someone is there and could not plan how to act in advance but had to react. I hope we can make you realize that sooner than later. Did you watch dslyecxi's video? Watch it over and over again, he shows it several times how a player using 3pv can get information easily without giving information about his presence to the enemy although he should have at least shown a bit of him when he had to look around the corner the normal way. Or do think it's normal that i can facewall under a window and see who is standing in the room behind it?

 

Seems you haven't read my whole reply and just quoting bits that will totally lead you comment something that doesn't even connect with my whole reply.  I am having a conversation with  OldBoy regards of the same angle versus same angle. 

 

But you keep coming with 1st Person angle VS 3Rd person Angle.

[Rauchsauger 94]

Oh sweet thanks for teaching me how to kill people in DayZ. What does anything you said have to do with my response to someone who says they are going camp laying prone in a hallway? And you knowing someone will probably come into your building eventually is not you knowing the exact second that someone is coming around a corner because you can somehow magically see around it even though you're in first person.

Yeah I know your reaction is so fast you will kill everyone who lays in anticipation for an ambush and is primed.

And if your incredible reaction does not get them - the lightning you can shoot from your arse will get them for sure :rolleyes:

[finalstraw 193]

Now if we are talking about the differences between 3PP vs 1PP , i mostly agree what you are saying. But we are talking about 3PP VS 3PP , therfor players have access to same knowledge and view angle with its flaws.

Hence that makes it equal for all "player over player"  forget about the environment since if you are on a rooftop in first person that will give you wider angle as well in first person vs 1st person.

 

I'm not saying it hasn't got its flaws or not even arguing if it's good or bad.  What am saying , everyone has access to it on server and they are aware of it. (Same for all)

 

You are not making any sense. You can't just conveniently 'forget about the environment', that's exactly the thing that makes 3PP so wildly unbalanced and why the PvP is so awkward.. It's why players don't have the 'same knowledge' as you call it.

 

For somebody who play counterstrike and other FPS games you should understand this. Counterstrike is a game of reactions, audio and guestimates. Audio can give you some information on player location, some of it is calculated guesswork but ultimately you must react to opponents purely upon seeing them. You can't see around corners to plan attacks, the same is true for DayZ in first person.

 

Player contacts in DayZ (1PP) as the same as they would be in reality, sometimes audio can give you clues (footsteps, eating noises) but ultimately you have to look (and expose yourself) to confirm it.

[casper1 44]

You are not making any sense. You can't just conveniently 'forget about the environment', that's exactly the thing that makes 3PP so wildly unbalanced and why the PvP is so awkward.. It's why players don't have the 'same knowledge' as you call it.

 

For somebody who play counterstrike and other FPS games you should understand this. Counterstrike is a game of reactions, audio and guestimates. Audio can give you some information on player location, some of it is calculated guesswork but ultimately you must react to opponents purely upon seeing them. You can't see around corners to plan attacks, the same is true for DayZ in first person.

 

Player contacts in DayZ (1PP) as the same as they would be in reality, sometimes audio can give you clues (footsteps, eating noises) but ultimately you have to look (and expose yourself) to confirm it.

 

Look simple as it is and you missing the whole point. Stop comparing 3rd person with 1st person and stop comparing the realism between it. 3RD person is not realistic and not been placed for realism already in the first place, so pointless to argue over it. No brainer, everyone already know it.

 

You are on a server 3PP vs 3PP (Not 3PP vs 1PP) so everyone out there know that someone can see around corners or has wider field of view, since they already aware of its flaws and they adapt their behaviour to it.

I could understand if 3PP hive and 1PP hive was sharing the same hive but it's not.   People who play Regular, they are 100% aware of it and if they want to play it even regards of its flaws, it means they don't bother and adapt to it.

 

So knowledge of the angle  provides equal gameplay as you accepted to play by knowing the facts. It's not like someone using ESP and you don't have it.

Edited March 24, 2014 by =1PARA=Prime=C.O=

[Claw 26]

It's more sad that people complain about 1st person advocates being hostile, yet ignore the arguments that aren't overly aggressive or offensive. Instead, they attack people like weedz; who initially/responsively attacks them back.

I've never seen anyone even attempt to refute the points in the video piste above. I've seen it in easily a dozen threads and it usually goes ignored? Why?

3rd person advocates like karma-pig use tactics that circumvent even marginally fair fights to ensure that they won't lose (sound familiar?)

Don't like my finger pointing? Disprove the video's points in a logical, cohesive argument an I will repeal the insults I spat in your general direction.

 

It's more sad that people complain about 1st person advocates being hostile, yet ignore the arguments that aren't overly aggressive or offensive. Instead, they attack people like weedz; who initially/responsively attacks them back.

I've never seen anyone even attempt to refute the points in the video piste above. I've seen it in easily a dozen threads and it usually goes ignored? Why?

3rd person advocates like karma-pig use tactics that circumvent even marginally fair fights to ensure that they won't lose (sound familiar?)

Don't like my finger pointing? Disprove the video's points in a logical, cohesive argument an I will repeal the insults I spat in your general direction.

I'm sorry but that is not right, most of the mud slinging are ppl calling regular lamecore etc etc strange that isnt a nickname for Hardcore if people are activily insulting hardcore players. - People dont activily insult people that play Hardcore ( bar some accute examples) Maybe its the odd founded elistism that generates from certain people in regaerds to playing Hardcore. Its only a perspective and yes imo its the best one and the one i grew up with but no need to feel you are more special because you play it or lord it over others that dont.

 

In regards to dyslexis video it is spot on and rasies some good points. No one is disagreeing that 3pp can and does get exploited , but its a level playing field as its available to all. It does not concern you if you are playing on 1pp servers so why the discussion

[casper1 44]

I'm sorry but that is not right, most of the mud slinging are ppl calling regular lamecore etc etc strange that isnt a nickname for Hardcore if people are activily insulting hardcore players. - People dont activily insult people that play Hardcore ( bar some accute examples) Maybe its the odd founded elistism that generates from certain people in regaerds to playing Hardcore. Its only a perspective and yes imo its the best one and the one i grew up with but no need to feel you are more special because you play it or lord it over others that dont.

 

In regards to dyslexis video it is spot on and rasies some good points. No one is disagreeing that 3pp can and does get exploited , but its a level playing field as its available to all. It does not concern you if you are playing on 1pp servers so why the discussion

 

The reason is, 1PP servers has lower playerbase over Regular . Therfor they want to enforce their liking and opinion to gain more population that will improve their own gameplay. 

Thats why they are agressive on their replies, because they are not happy.

 

Game itself gives you a variety of choice , and they are trying to do their best to balance the gameplay for multiple playerbase as  the reason of having multiple hives with multiple choices.

 

3RD Person (Angle) itself need a discussion own its own without comparing it with 1PP. It has its flaws and would be nice to re-arranged to avoid "exploits" for all. But this is totally different topic.

Edited March 24, 2014 by =1PARA=Prime=C.O=

[Weedz 1105]

In regards to dyslexis video it is spot on and rasies some good points. No one is disagreeing that 3pp can and does get exploited , but its a level playing field as its available to all. It does not concern you if you are playing on 1pp servers so why the discussion

And there is a perfect way around that exploit from Arma 2 that keeps 3rd person intact other than that exploit. But these people don't care about that because they don't care about "being on a level playing field" they care about being able to use the crutch of corner camping.

Edited March 24, 2014 by Weedz

[casper1 44]

And there is a perfect way around that exploit from Arma 2 that keeps 3rd person intact other than that exploit. But these people don't care about that because they don't care about "being on a level playing field" they care about being able to use the crutch of corner camping.

 

That is so narrow-minded point of view as you're assuming that all 3RD Person Gamers as exploiters.  There are huge amount of player base all around the world that likes 3RD person view.

Hence the Gaming Market keep producing  3RD Person /in with Tactical Shooters all around.  Ignorance of yours.

Edited March 24, 2014 by =1PARA=Prime=C.O=

[Weedz 1105]

That is so narrow-minded point of view as you're assuming that all 3RD Person Gamers as exploiters.  There are huge amount of player base all around the world that likes 3RD person view.

Hence the Gaming Market keep producing  3RD Person /in with Tactical Shooters all around.  Ignorance of yours.

Every single other 3rd person shooter isn't built from a military sandbox simulator they are mad cartoony and have things like wall running and having to shoot people 10 times before they die to make it so you can compete with the corner campers. This game does not.

 

I didn't say anything about all 3rd person gamers I was refering to the people in this thread acting like removing corner camping would be the end of the world. I guess if you took it as being directed at you that says something about yourself.

Edited March 24, 2014 by Weedz

[casper1 44]

I didn't say anything about all 3rd person gamers I was refering to the people in this thread acting like removing corner camping would be the end of the world. I guess if you took it as being directed at you that says something about yourself.

 

I've already mentioned about its flaws in my earlier reply. (if you would scroll up).  If you were a 3RD person Gamer , i could understand your frustrations with current "glitchy 3RD person view" on 3PP servers.

 

But you are 1st Person Gamer as it shows in your replies. So why complaining as you have your 1PP Only HC servers? Which makes the complaining almost pointless.

Edited March 24, 2014 by =1PARA=Prime=C.O=

[Weedz 1105]

I've already mentioned about its flaws in my earlier reply. (if you would scroll up).  If you were a 3RD person Gamer , i could understand your frustrations with current "glitchy 3RD person view" on 3PP servers.

 

But you are 1st Person Gamer as it shows in your replies. So why complaining as you have your 1PP Only HC servers? Which makes the complaining almost pointless.

And now you're just completely going off on something else and ignoring what was said and assuming I only play 1pp which, even though isn't true, somehow makes any point I was trying to make invalid. Like someone who doesn't care about anything but keeping their corner camping crutch ... You are living up to exactly what I was talking about earlier.

 

Don't worry Dagwood give it some time and you'll be like me and understand that these people will never care about or even read your points because they are so firm set in their ways of ruining the game for themselves that they couldn't care less about anything that would go against the crutches they cling onto like it's a life raft.

If you're going to claim you're not one of the people who play 3pp to use the exploit then don't live up the the stereotype ... or continue I couldn't really care less about someone acting as you are.

Edited March 24, 2014 by Weedz

[Ineedscoffee 464]

Alright, let's look at it this way. When I play my first person server, I have to take extra care due to a lack of immediate, visual information.

Now when I play on my third person servers, I have to take extra care, because I'm not the only one with all the information available.

Bottom line, the risks of either server are the same. Going in blind, or going in where everyone is just as informed as you are. Either situation produces deadly adversaries, equal risk, equal reward.

[casper1 44]

And now you're just completely going off on something else and ignoring what was said and assuming I only play 1pp which, even though isn't true, somehow makes any point I was trying to make invalid. Like someone who doesn't care about anything but keeping their corner camping crutch ... You are living up to exactly what I was talking about earlier.

 

 

If you're going to claim you're not one of the people who play 3pp to use the exploit then don't live up the the stereotype.

 

I don't need to claim or prove you that i am not exploiter as it just your narrow- minded opinion on majority. I'm well known person in gaming community by runing tactical realism genres. 

Also, i've already said many times, this topic and replies are mostly complains and comparison between 3PP and 1PP without any need as both has their own hives and servers.

 

If we gonna discuss the current 3PP and its flaws for 3PP Gamers, we should do it without comparing it with 1PP and do it without insults or assumptions that disrespects others.

3PP  should be re-adjusted "YES" ,  3PP should be removed "NO".

Edited March 24, 2014 by =1PARA=Prime=C.O=

[Weedz 1105]

I don't need to claim or prove you that i am not exploiter as it just your narrow- minded opinion on majority. I'm well known person in gaming community by runing tactical realims genres. 

Also, i've already said many times, this topic and replies are mostly complains and comparison between 3PP and 1PP without any need as both has their own hives and servers.

 

If we gonna discuss the current 3PP and its flaws for 3PP Gamers, we should do it without comparing it with 1PP and do it without insults or assumptions that disrespects others.

Which again I'm not doing ... I don't think I've made any post comparing 3pp with 1pp. I've already discussed 3pp and the flaws of 3pp as well as a perfect fix for those flaws of 3pp by using something that was already in Arma 2. You just chose to ignore it. You're also the one doing all the assumption I simply pointed out that you are acting exactly like the people I previously described and are continuing to do so by completely ignoring or acting like someone's points aren't valid because they aren't yours.

 

People like this (not directing this at you unless you see it as describing yourself) are why people like me just make posts like I did originally [Man you scrubs sure are desperately trying to hold onto that crutch that makes you feel like you aren't terrible at the game because you can kill fresh spawns by magically seeing around corners huh?]  and told Dagwood he would probably eventually end up doing the same. Because there is no point trying to discuss anything with people who ignore anything that didn't come out of their own mouth while putting words in other people's to make themselves seem right.

Edited March 24, 2014 by Weedz