I HATE playing 3rd person servers.

[Sebidee 167]

Anyone else the same as me? I really don't like playing in the regular, 3rd person servers. I think the thing is that I have to play in a single perspective the whole time to get used to it, that's why I like hardcore because it's the same the whole way through. In a regular server you have to pop into first person when ever you get into trouble and that just disorientates the hell out of me so I may as well forget about firefights because I just get blown away.

 

Even though I prefer first person I don't like using it in a third person server because I know that other players will have a wider field of vision and will be able to peek over and around walls. In this game you can't afford to be at any disadvantage.

 

The only problem is that the entire community seems to play on the regular servers. Hardcore is a no-go for anyone on my friends list. So do you think hardcore servers will become more popular or will Day Z stay a third person game?

[Katana67 2907]

Well, my take is that DayZ's already "Hardcore" (whatever meaning you ascribe to that, I ascribe "unforgiving" to it) enough for most. I've got no problem with either playstyle, if they forced Hardcore servers only, I'd be bummed but I wouldn't stop playing.

 

I just like being able to see my character, it's really that simple.

Edited March 24, 2014 by Katana67

[Geckofrog7 1168]

I use 3rd person when not in combat to quickly look around.

 

Hate me. :D

[acoastalhero 46]

Anyone else the same as me? I really don't like playing in the regular, 3rd person servers. I think the thing is that I have to play in a single perspective the whole time to get used to it, that's why I like hardcore because it's the same the whole way through. In a regular server you have to pop into first person when ever you get into trouble and that just disorientates the hell out of me so I may as well forget about firefights because I just get blown away.

 

Even though I prefer first person I don't like using it in a third person server because I know that other players will have a wider field of vision and will be able to peek over and around walls. In this game you can't afford to be at any disadvantage.

 

The only problem is that the entire community seems to play on the regular servers. Hardcore is a no-go for anyone on my friends list. So do you think hardcore servers will become more popular or will Day Z stay a third person game?

I had the same issue as you when i first started playing 3pp and the only reason i play them now is because it's much easier to get a full game.

 

The way i resolved it was by hot keying the change of view to left ctrl so without even moving my left hand i can change between the two views simultaneously enabling me to adapt to any situation i am confronted with. I think if you really want to make a switch to 3pp you should try changing the hot key to change views to something you are comfortable with and once you get used to it it will become second nature when the situation arises.

[leefriendfield 438]

I hate third person ever since I began playing hardcore. It really is a crutch that destroys the experience of DayZ.

[Dagwood 680]

When survival gets harder, these players that whine about new, difficult features being "annoying" will play different games. Survival is going to be a full time job and not just part of the gearing up chapter of your character's life. This will result in players valuing the life of their character more than they do currently. When people care about their avatars more, they will be less likely to engage in frivolous firefights out of boredom.

Snipers lying on top of buildings in 3rd person will never end. Because of this, the survivalists will migrate from 3rd person to 1st person to avoid these sadistic mouth breathers.

IMO, the biggest reason 3rd person servers currently rule the day is because it's where the armed combatants (the game's only challenge atm) do their wall staring. If the majority played 1st person, it would be lopsided in 1st person favor. Just give it time, my man.

[BiGoDeViN (DayZ) 423]

Well, my take is that DayZ's already "Hardcore" (whatever meaning you ascribe to that, I ascribe "unforgiving" to it) enough for most. I've got no problem with either playstyle, if they forced Hardcore servers only, I'd be bummed but I wouldn't stop playing.

 

I just like being able to see my character, it's really that simple.

 

Haha! I play 3PP for the same reason. I use the cheat peek every now and again but I like being able to see my character, too.

[charliepow 100]

I'm a hardcore only person, although if I feel like dicking around as a fresh spawn trying to kill everyone I play regular. I seem to fit in that way.

[Katana67 2907]

Haha! I play 3PP for the same reason. I use the cheat peek every now and again but I like being able to see my character, too.

 

Which is why I'd rather them try to create some sort of middleground, because I really do value the "Hardcore" experience. Although, I wouldn't go as far as some of the folks above to say it destroys the DayZ experience to have a third person perspective.

 

Maybe having "freelook" be disabled when in third person view would be a good starting point? Wouldn't solve all, or even most of the issues with it, but it'd be a good first step in my opinion.

 

Then perhaps they could move on to a blurring of occluded viewpoints when third person. Would probably be fairly complicated, but might be worthwhile.

[Dagwood 680]

^^why not just play in first person and avoid all of that intensive programming when this game is already biting off as much as the devs can chew?

You want to see your character? Use the inventory screen or logout and play Barbie there.

[Katana67 2907]

^^why not just play in first person and avoid all of that intensive programming when this game is already biting off as much as the devs can chew?

You want to see your character? Use the inventory screen or logout and play Barbie there.

 

Your unreasonable vitriol pleases me.

[Geckofrog7 1168]

Use the inventory screen or logout and play Barbie there.

I use to spend 6 hours at a time editing my character and emblem for Halo 2.

Don't judge me. :blush:

Edited March 24, 2014 by Geckofrog7

[BiGoDeViN (DayZ) 423]

Which is why I'd rather them try to create some sort of middleground, because I really do value the "Hardcore" experience. Although, I wouldn't go as far as some of the folks above to say it destroys the DayZ experience to have a third person perspective.

 

Maybe having "freelook" be disabled when in third person view would be a good starting point? Wouldn't solve all, or even most of the issues with it, but it'd be a good first step in my opinion.

 

Then perhaps they could move on to a blurring of occluded viewpoints when third person. Would probably be fairly complicated, but might be worthwhile.

 

I don't know. I feel like once the game gets a little more polished and it becomes harder to survive, 3PP won't be such a big a issue.

 

I personally don't see a hard fix for it unless they get up more Hardcore servers for people who wanna play that way. Like how Rust has official PvP and PvE servers. Let's people be happy without causing a bunch of work for the devs. If that makes sense.

Edited March 24, 2014 by BiGoDeViN

[Katana67 2907]

I don't know. I feel like once the game gets a little more polished and it becomes harder to survive, 3PP won't be such a big a issue.

 

I personally don't see a hard fix for it unless they get up more Hardcore servers for people who wanna play that way. Like how Rust has official PvP and PvE servers. Let's people be happy without causing a bunch of work for the devs. If that makes sense.

 

Well the issue for some is that it divides the community, and I think the OP is highlighting the fact that most people will choose a regular server over a "Hardcore" server. So even if more servers (which could actually be detrimental) are brought online, it wouldn't necessarily translate into anything new/good.

 

But, with that said, I do agree that as the game becomes harder... it may not be as big an issue. However, I do sympathize with the folks who don't like it because it allows the player to look around corners. I don't like that as well. But I'd rather they come up with a solution (who knows, it could be relatively easy and they have expressed interest in it before, although I don't recall what Rocket said in the end) than continue to have this very divisive issue present.

Edited March 24, 2014 by Katana67

[BiGoDeViN (DayZ) 423]

Well the issue for some is that it divides the community, and I think the OP is highlighting the fact that most people will choose a regular server over a "Hardcore" server. So even if more servers (which could actually be detrimental) are brought online, it wouldn't necessarily translate into anything new/good.

 

But, with that said, I do agree that as the game becomes harder... it may not be as big an issue. However, I do sympathize with the folks who don't like it because it allows the player to look around corners. I don't like that as well. But I'd rather they come up with a solution (who knows, it could be relatively easy and they have expressed interest in it before, although I don't recall what Rocket said in the end) than continue to have this very divisive issue present.

 

I suppose you're right. But if they completely remove it, it'll cause all sorts of uproar, IMO. Hell, they changed the Zeds slightly and plenty of people were upset.

 

I can't imagine what solution they'd have though. Without making 3PP a silly choice. Personally, besides "playing Barbie" 3PP is a lot more smoother. Whenever I play FPP, it always feels like I'm a twitchy raccoon. It doesn't make sense but it just doesn't feel as "smooth" as other FPP games do. I can't quite explain it. (That and with my High FOV, I can see my neck hole when looking down. lol)

[Dagwood 680]

If the game becomes harder (likely from more dangerous zeds) 3rd person will make it easier to survive these zeds, and attract more players to 3rd person servers since people in this community think easier is always better. It will still lead to underpopulated hardcore servers and tenaciously butthurt assholes like me insulting you day to day.

I'm so sad :(

[Sebidee 167]

I hate third person ever since I began playing hardcore. It really is a crutch that destroys the experience of DayZ.

 

Agreed. 1st person is just so much more immersive. To be honest I simply cannot play the game on my own in third person. It feels too much like ... a game.

 

I think if you really want to make a switch to 3pp you should try changing the hot key to change views to something you are comfortable with and once you get used to it it will become second nature when the situation arises.

 

Great suggestion, I'll try that.

 

When survival gets harder, these players that whine about new, difficult features being "annoying" will play different games. Survival is going to be a full time job and not just part of the gearing up chapter of your character's life. This will result in players valuing the life of their character more than they do currently. When people care about their avatars more, they will be less likely to engage in frivolous firefights out of boredom.

 

I have actually found that there are far fewer KOSers and bandits in hardcore mode. Hopefully the trend of serious players moving there will continue.

 

Then perhaps they could move on to a blurring of occluded viewpoints when third person. Would probably be fairly complicated, but might be worthwhile.

 

You mean blur out the area that your character can't see? I'm sure third person advocates would hate that but I would definitely be more comfortable.

 

I would really prefer it if Day Z was a first person only game at this stage. The experience is far, far, far better. The only difficulty is trying to convert the community to it.

 

PLAY HARDCORE GUYS, PLEASE!!!

Edited March 24, 2014 by Sebidee

[Katana67 2907]

...tenaciously butthurt assholes like me...

 

Sounds about right

[Whyherro123 2283]

how the hell is 1pp more realistic? It's like having a set of blinkers on. Granted, 3pp isn't much better, but at least you can see.

[Dagwood 680]

1st person is more realistic because fences and low buildings actually block your vision. In 3pp, you can't help but see into every single yard in town when standing in a fenced off yard of your own. Even when trying not to "cheat" by peeking unrealistically, the high camera makes it impossible not to get super human vision.

And raise your field of view and learn to use the free look. The hardcore players manage to play the game with those blinders. Are you suggesting that we are all just better than you at this game?

Edited for word choice

Edited March 24, 2014 by Dagwood

[b0hem 21]

YOU LIKE HARDCORE THEN  :D  :D  :D

[Sebidee 167]

how the hell is 1pp more realistic? It's like having a set of blinkers on. Granted, 3pp isn't much better, but at least you can see.

 

How is 1pp more realistic than 3pp? Ok, well for starters can you see the back of your own head at all times in real life? Can you see 360 degrees around you in real life? Can you peek over a ten foot wall, or around it while face planting it?

 

1pp is FAR more realistic. You are lower down, you can see what your hands are doing when you eat/drink/bandage/look at a compass/reload. And when a zombie jumps at you you can see it's cold dead eyes right IN YOUR FACE!

[gibonez 3633]

Well, my take is that DayZ's already "Hardcore" (whatever meaning you ascribe to that, I ascribe "unforgiving" to it) enough for most. I've got no problem with either playstyle, if they forced Hardcore servers only, I'd be bummed but I wouldn't stop playing.

 

I just like being able to see my character, it's really that simple.

 

For this very reason I am wished when you go to tpv you get a front to back view of your character making tpv useless for cheating but good for seeing your character.

[-Gews- 7443]

So far I've only played 1st person since hardcore was introduced, it's not like I'll never again touch 3rd though.

 

However it would be nice to take pictures of my character (inventory screen doesn't cut it) so they should introduce a digital camera at some point.

[Sebidee 167]

For this very reason I am wished when you go to tpv you get a front to back view of your character making tpv useless for cheating but good for seeing your character.

 

tpv?