CZ Scorpion Evo 3 A1

[mattcorman 12]

[mattcorman 12]

This is real scropion vz 61 what game could have!

 

 

[SGT. Kalme 106]

What? Almost everything they use is of Soviet origin.Main rifles: AK-74, AKMMain tanks: T-64, T-80Main APCs: BMP-1, BMP-2, BTR-70, MT-LBMain helicopters: Mi-8, Mi-24, Mi-26Main fighter planes: Su-27, MiG-29Noticing something in common? Their navy is all Soviet ships as well.The terrain is based on the Czech Republic but Chernarussians use Soviet equipment and write in Cyrillic. You should take a look at the equipment of the Chernarussian Defense Force.They have a video here:

And here's the Chedaki video:

Main rifle: AK-74Main tank: T-72Main helicopters: Mi-8, Mi-24Main APCs: BMP-1It's all the same, every single thing is Soviet.Anyways, my point is actually the opposite: the MP5 is way more common in former Soviet/Communist/Eastern European states.As I posted above MP5 is used in Albania, Belarus, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Estonia, Georgia, Hungary, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, and Ukraine.Out of the former Soviet/Communist/Eastern European states the Evo 3 A1 is only used in Czech Republic. So the MP5 is a better fit, why include this when you could have the MP5 instead?The MP5 is a better fit to the game. This new Scorpion doesn't have a large market share (and it might never get one if submachine guns are falling out of favor as in the West), the MP5 has a huge market share.

Note that I said Russian machinery. Most of the soviet weaponry and machinery was produced outside of Russia. Many IFVs and APCs and even tanks that ukraine uses, are their own versions produced in ukraine or ones that were origially produced Poland. As for weaponry, Ukraine forces today use large variety of different firearms - besides Russian originated AK-74, Makarov and PKM - to adapt the NATO standard ammunition. That is that and it is my mistake to refer to Ukraine weaponry or armed forces since it really shouldn't be discussed publicly any further. Basically it is similarily to Estonia which started disposal of Russian weaponry and adaption of NATO standard after becoming independent country.

It appears that Chernarus is actually reference to todays Ukraine area. From ArmA2 description, it is rather referred as post-soviet country (not part of Russia but Soviet Union) that struggles with communist rebels and is in fight for its independence. I looked up the story behind CDF and you are right for that part, it is purely based on Russian weaponry production, though.

Sorry for excessive off-topic.

[DMentMan 707]

no, not russian enough, not russian at all that is.

Edited March 24, 2014 by DMentMan

[kaix12 34]

In my eyes its not a matter of if they're used by the Russian military. Its simply a matter of a few hundred miles from the Czech Republic to the Charnarus area. Thats a drive of a halfdozen hours. No reason weapons wouldn't cross borders in a post apocalyptic environment like this. God, I can't beleive I'm defending a military weapon in this game...

So in a zombie apocalypse I'm going to drive to the euro tunnel, drive through it and into France to get A FAMAS, or some French man is going to come across the only a couple of hour boat ride and drop some FAMAS's on the coast? I think not... Also bear in mind the FAMAS would be easier to find and more common than the evo is in CZ R

[kaix12 34]

Note that I said Russian machinery. Most of the soviet weaponry and machinery was produced outside of Russia. Many IFVs and APCs and even tanks that ukraine uses, are their own versions produced in ukraine or ones that were origially produced Poland. As for weaponry, Ukraine forces today use large variety of different firearms - besides Russian originated AK-74, Makarov and PKM - to adapt the NATO standard ammunition. That is that and it is my mistake to refer to Ukraine weaponry or armed forces since it really shouldn't be discussed publicly any further. Basically it is similarily to Estonia which started disposal of Russian weaponry and adaption of NATO standard after becoming independent country.

It appears that Chernarus is actually reference to todays Ukraine area. From ArmA2 description, it is rather referred as post-soviet country (not part of Russia but Soviet Union) that struggles with communist rebels and is in fight for its independence. I looked up the story behind CDF and you are right for that part, it is purely based on Russian weaponry production, though.

Sorry for excessive off-topic.

Much of their equipment was made in Ukraine yes... USSR Ukraine. Also the Ukrainian weapons are in no way adapted to NATO standards, they are normal 5.45 and 7.62x54r weapons. And some of their stuff may be considered Ukrainian made, but most of it are heavy upgrades of old vehicles (such as there best tank which are just USSR era T-64's heavily upgraded, BTRs are much the same.)

[kaix12 34]

Double post delete please!

Edited March 24, 2014 by Kaxii

[SGT. Kalme 106]

Much of their equipment was made in Ukraine yes... USSR Ukraine. Also the Ukrainian weapons are in no way adapted to NATO standards, they are normal 5.45 and 7.62x54r weapons. And some of their stuff may be considered Ukrainian made, but most of it are heavy upgrades of old vehicles (such as there best tank which are just USSR era T-64's heavily upgraded, BTRs are much the same.)

 

I am well-aware of that fact :)

 

Many of these vehicles were originally produced in those countries even though they were part of Soviet Union back then so I wouldn't specifically count them as Russian machinery even though Russians developed them. Most of them are significantly improved over original models which were not known by their reliability so could as well say that successful units still originate from these few post-soviet countries.

 

Also, I stated in my post that yes, most of the light weaponry is Russian originated but there are variety of firearms in use. As of now, I do agree and admit my mistake that most of light weaponry as of assault rifles, machine guns and pistols are Russian-made. It will take time for army that big to adapt such radical change in their weaponry in short time but the adaption is indeed in progress.

 

E# As for "army that big" I mean it is not like giving new weapons for platoon and deal is done. The adaption requires adequate technicians, ammunition supplies, training for every single soldier and ability to preserve the ability of defence while doing that. Also, spare parts are needed.

 

I must again apologize for off-topic. :(

Edited March 24, 2014 by SGT. Kalme

[Thirdthorpe 87]

I'm not implying that a player will be traveling anywhere, or that some mysterious Frenchman is going to bless.you with a crate of weapons. Theres a saying I've heard a few times that in true times of need precious metals will he brass and lead. That being said in a post apocalyptic world I think its fair to say that weapons and bullets would be a very profitable thing to trade. On top of that do you not think people will be travelling around looking for safety? A car ride of several hours really isn't a difficult explanation for Czech weapons existing in the Ukrainian region.

[nettles 396]

Many here say that these weapons should not be in Chernarus. Then why do we have the M4A1, C Z 75, Colt 1911 tactics and so on?

 

I like to think that the M4 is maybe just any rifle of the AR-15 family under the umbrella of M4A1 because they don't feel like doing the models of M16s, M4s, AR-15s, etc when they all have the same part commonality. (It's just my headcannon.)  both the AR-15 and M1911 can be found in a lot of gun enthusiasts' collections, so while they're not common, they're not unheard of either. Judging by the amount of deer stands in Chernarus I'd wager that there's a large portion of the population that hunt.  Hunting and gun enthusiasm go pretty well hand-in-hand.  Or is that just an American thing?

 

I strayed a little off topic there but my main point is that I would not like to see OP's gun in the game.