AKM

[kaix12 34]

Just please do not add .50 cal or some crazy good modern sniper rifles to the DayZ SA.

Leave that for when SA is released for modders, then all kinds of gun crazy mods will surely appear in no time.

 

Btw I think it's obvious, that gun accuracy in general is placeholder atm.

Well im thinking it's for balancing, because if they did make guns more accurate then I would know I would of been killed 4 times by people who missed me due to the innacuracy of their guns, and while im not a guy to complain about being killed by guns, we all know about peace activists who would cry and winge all day long because they got killed in 3 shots by a stock M4 at 200m's away with relative ease, unlike the few mags it takes now.

[hombrecz 832]

Well im thinking it's for balancing, because if they did make guns more accurate then I would know I would of been killed 4 times by people who missed me due to the innacuracy of their guns, and while im not a guy to complain about being killed by guns, we all know about peace activists who would cry and winge all day long because they got killed in 3 shots by a stock M4 at 200m's away with relative ease, unlike the few mags it takes now.

 

I think Devs should address this. Atm we can just speculate why are the guns so badly innacurate even in pristine condition.

I'd like for them to add weapon sway and more recoil, but other then that, guns should be more accurate then they are ( I think).

[kaix12 34]

I think Devs should address this. Atm we can just speculate why are the guns so badly innacurate even in pristine condition.

I'd like for them to add weapon sway and more recoil, but other then that, guns should be more accurate then they are ( I think).

Indeed so I agree, it should be Red orchestra style. as even though that game is an FPS, sometimes I have to take time to kill people or even just let people go simply because I was sprinting so long and the sway was massive, but I could of been accurate enough if I hadn't sprinted for so long, so that way the guns can be realistically accurate by still balanced. As I personally don't want to have gunfights which end in a couple of shots, they should be prolonged long enough due to the sway etc

[HazZarD87 166]

Heck in the Dutch army you even have the distinction between snipers not by the rifles that they use, but by the training they've had.

 

Someone who is with an infantry platoon and trained in long range shooting with what one would define as "sniper rifle" (this fine beast: http://www.defensie.nl/binaries/small/content/gallery/defensie/content-afbeeldingen/onderwerpen/materieel/bewapening/accuracy-antipersoneel-snipergeweer-7-62mm/accuracy-antipersoneel-snipergeweer-7-62mm.jpg) is called a long distance shooter.

 

A member of the commandos who has had extensive training in stalking in addition to long range shooting (with the same rifle) is a sniper.

 

So we can also argue there is no sniping in dayz till we can make us some ghillie suits :P

[napalmdog 71]

No... Just no... While I love the AKM, it is in no way more accurate than the Mosin, I know you hate that rifle, but my good they aren't all POS, if they were all less accurate than AKM's by that much, then the Russian snipers wouldn't of hit barely as many germans as they did, and they soviets would of fitted all their AK 47's with scopes and replaced the Mosin a lot earlier than the 1960's. I admit some are not as accurate, but in no way are they all...

Well, the thing you're leaving out of the analysis of this is the age and metallurgy of the Mosin. Brand new? Yes, the Mosin is going to be more accurate. But truthfully most old Mosins are quite worn out, the alloys they were made with were poor and the rifling went away fairly quickly...

[liquidsnake 275]

Well, the thing you're leaving out of the analysis of this is the age and metallurgy of the Mosin. Brand new? Yes, the Mosin is going to be more accurate. But truthfully most old Mosins are quite worn out, the alloys they were made with were poor and the rifling went away fairly quickly...

The thing is, the Mosins in game right now are pristine. We'll probably see damaged Mosins spawn later on after some update, then it'll be more realistic and damaged Mosins would fire as worn out Mosins of today should. For now, they're all pristine.

[gibonez 3633]

Indeed so I agree, it should be Red orchestra style. as even though that game is an FPS, sometimes I have to take time to kill people or even just let people go simply because I was sprinting so long and the sway was massive, but I could of been accurate enough if I hadn't sprinted for so long, so that way the guns can be realistically accurate by still balanced. As I personally don't want to have gunfights which end in a couple of shots, they should be prolonged long enough due to the sway etc

I love red Orchestras free aim mechanic it stimulates weapons so much better.

[kaix12 34]

Well, the thing you're leaving out of the analysis of this is the age and metallurgy of the Mosin. Brand new? Yes, the Mosin is going to be more accurate. But truthfully most old Mosins are quite worn out, the alloys they were made with were poor and the rifling went away fairly quickly...

Yes, but all mosins are old, but not all are worn out, many were in storage, barely even used so those would be just like new with maybe a bit too much cosmoline

[gibonez 3633]

Yes, but all mosins are old, but not all are worn out, many were in storage, barely even used so those would be just like new with maybe a bit too much cosmoline

 

Even if they were in storage, the way they were hastily manufactured and with the poor quality control they underwent any mosin you find that is stock will be nearly the same unless its a finish mosin.

 

Mosins with matching parts are rare, they were quickly assembled for the war effort with miss matched parts poorly fitted together.

 

Mosins are not custom fitted weapons they are good shooters that are not that accurate, heck in game they are about what 2-3x more accurate compared to a real life mosin ?

[kaix12 34]

Even if they were in storage, the way they were hastily manufactured and with the poor quality control they underwent any mosin you find that is stock will be nearly the same unless its a finish mosin.

Mosins with matching parts are rare, they were quickly assembled for the war effort with miss matched parts poorly fitted together.

Mosins are not custom fitted weapons they are good shooters that are not that accurate, heck in game they are about what 2-3x more accurate compared to a real life mosin ?

But still if they were all terribly made, then none would of been accurate enough to be used by their snipers!

[gibonez 3633]

But still if they were all terribly made, then none would of been accurate enough to be used by their snipers!

 

But still if they were all terribly made, then none would of been accurate enough to be used by their snipers!

 

They did it out of necessity. If all you have is a crappy musket then you would be using that to snipe with.

 

Also the mosins that were issued to their snipers were hand selected those were rifles that were far more accurate than the average mosin.

 

Mosins in game do not appear to be those snipers mosins they look like a bubbaed aka regular stock mosin some guy decided to install a bent bolt on and mount optics on.

[napalmdog 71]

The thing is, the Mosins in game right now are pristine. We'll probably see damaged Mosins spawn later on after some update, then it'll be more realistic and damaged Mosins would fire as worn out Mosins of today should. For now, they're all pristine.

Heh. I've also found pristine rotten bananas too. Anyhoo, my post is just a 'reality' post, nothing to do with present game mechanics. In reality an AK-47 is probably be comparably accurate to a Mosin, but having had a NOS russian rifle I can tell you the material was definitely sub-par...

[liquidsnake 275]

Heh. I've also found pristine rotten bananas too. Anyhoo, my post is just a 'reality' post, nothing to do with present game mechanics. In reality an AK-47 is probably be comparably accurate to a Mosin, but having had a NOS russian rifle I can tell you the material was definitely sub-par...

But your point is that the condition of the Mosins have severely degraded over time, right? In that case, I think that the current spawn system for weapons is just a place holder and that we'll eventually see a lot of damaged Mosins that are as inaccurate as you say they are. Perhaps pristine Mosins will be extremely rare in the finished game.

[napalmdog 71]

But your point is that the condition of the Mosins have severely degraded over time, right? In that case, I think that the current spawn system for weapons is just a place holder and that we'll eventually see a lot of damaged Mosins that are as inaccurate as you say they are. Perhaps pristine Mosins will be extremely rare in the finished game.

I think that's a good accurate scenario. But I don't think that's necessarily what we're going to see, simply for gameplay sake.

 

My original point was people should not be surprised that an AK-47 is as accurate as a Mosin. Too much technology had improved in regards to alloys, gunpowders, bullet design, etc to allow a shorter barrel to throw an improved bullet design as far and as accurately.

[kaix12 34]

They did it out of necessity. If all you have is a crappy musket then you would be using that to snipe with.

 

Also the mosins that were issued to their snipers were hand selected those were rifles that were far more accurate than the average mosin.

 

Mosins in game do not appear to be those snipers mosins they look like a bubbaed aka regular stock mosin some guy decided to install a bent bolt on and mount optics on.

 

But no one truly "sniped" with muskets back when they only had muskets?

 

And also whos to say that this "Bubbaed" Mosin has been made accurate enough by shimming the barrel, and therefore the user then decided and fit a bent bolt on (although the Bent bolt is to small) but if the bolt was correct in size then there would be no difference in looks between the mosin in game and a Mosin used for sniping in real life.

[PhillyT 554]

AK47 are perfectly accurate if properly sited in.  The stock iron sites aren't great, but they work.  They hit what you aim at.

[The_Monk 320]

But no one truly "sniped" with muskets back when they only had muskets?

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitworth_rifle

[-Gews- 7443]

But no one truly "sniped" with muskets back when they only had muskets?

 

 

[gibonez 3633]

But no one truly "sniped" with muskets back when they only had muskets?

 

And also whos to say that this "Bubbaed" Mosin has been made accurate enough by shimming the barrel, and therefore the user then decided and fit a bent bolt on (although the Bent bolt is to small) but if the bolt was correct in size then there would be no difference in looks between the mosin in game and a Mosin used for sniping in real life.

 

Even if that were true and the bubbaed mosin has been been glass bedded and the barrel shimmed. You would still have to deal with the biggest issue that would affect accuracy.

 

Surplus ammo. Ammo used in the mosins in game are not hand loads or match ammo heck they arent even factory loaded ammo.

 

They are old military surplus ammo and that ammo is cheap and fun to shoot but my god is it inaccurate.

 

Mainly because of how unreliable the muzzle speed is between rounds even within the same back of ammo.

[kaix12 34]

Even if that were true and the bubbaed mosin has been been glass bedded and the barrel shimmed. You would still have to deal with the biggest issue that would affect accuracy.

Surplus ammo. Ammo used in the mosins in game are not hand loads or match ammo heck they arent even factory loaded ammo.

They are old military surplus ammo and that ammo is cheap and fun to shoot but my god is it inaccurate.

Mainly because of how unreliable the muzzle speed is between rounds even within the same back of ammo.

But so does all the other guns including the M4, either way more ammo types/qaulitys need to be added and better ballistics.

[gibonez 3633]

But so does all the other guns including the M4, either way more ammo types/qaulitys need to be added and better ballistics.

 

The quality of military issue ammo you would find for a m4 is substantially higher than the quality you would find for the mosins.

Quality control of military issue 5.56 nato rounds is very good.

 

Meanwhile the surplus ammo that the soviets for 7.62x54r and 7.62x39 varies in quality. Different factories produced different qualities of ammo and none of the available russian/ surplus ammo is match quality.

[enforcer1975 1111]

The quality of military issue ammo you would find for a m4 is substantially higher than the quality you would find for the mosins.

Quality control of military issue 5.56 nato rounds is very good.

 

Meanwhile the surplus ammo that the soviets for 7.62x54r and 7.62x39 varies in quality. Different factories produced different qualities of ammo and none of the available russian/ surplus ammo is match quality.

 

Not that it matters anyway...how many AK users are trained shooters? How many are trained to shoot single shot? How many are educated? With the mass of rifles and shooters it's like a jump and run fragfest.

 

This picture says it all.

 

In 1993 Battle of Mogadishu the US forces had a k/d ratio of like 50:1? I'm sure if the US forces had AKs and OPFOR had the ARs they would still have had a similar result due to their training. It's not just the rifle it's the guy behind it.

Edited March 28, 2014 by Enforcer

[gibonez 3633]

Not that it matters anyway...how many AK users are trained shooters? How many are trained to shoot single shot? How many are educated? With the mass of rifles and shooters it's like a jump and run fragfest.

 

Hmmm Taliban, Hamas, Chechnian rebels, Russian special forces etc.

 

Lots of people are well trained and use aks. People fail to give the ak variant rifles the respect they deserve, they are absolutely devastating especially when used within a squad volley fire on targets.