Why Private Hives should be limited when they become available

[hannibaldaplaya 1095]

So just because the mods in DayZ "pussify" the game in your opinion, stick to vanilla servers and problem solved.  

 

Obviously, there are plenty of people who enjoy playing on the types of servers you dislike.

 

Try worrying about yourself and not everyone else in the fucking game and you might find your time more enjoyable.

The problem is, private hives inflate the server market and there will be NO VANILLA SERVERS left for me to play on. Which throws my enjoyment out of the water.

 

Plus, if you bought DayZ, you should be looking for a challenge.

 

I guess hacking, server hopping, combat logging, and ghosting are okay, because people enjoy playing the game that way?

 

Also, you use the f-word way too often. Yet again, this makes you appear hostile. Instead of being civil, you remain a tone of anger and stubborn-ness. I guess you enjoy logging onto a server to find a DMR and a Ghillie Suit already on your character, despite having just joined? Isn't that fun, removing one of the main features of the game, which is gearing up?

 

Sure is fun to remove all the tension of being a fresh spawn....

[oregonized 673]

The problem is, private hives inflate the server market and there will be NO VANILLA SERVERS left for me to play on. Which throws my enjoyment out of the water.

 

Plus, if you bought DayZ, you should be looking for a challenge.

 

I guess hacking, server hopping, combat logging, and ghosting are okay, because people enjoy playing the game that way?

 

Also, you use the f-word way too often. Yet again, this makes you appear hostile. Instead of being civil, you remain a tone of anger and stubborn-ness. I guess you enjoy logging onto a server to find a DMR and a Ghillie Suit already on your character, despite having just joined? Isn't that fun, removing one of the main features of the game, which is gearing up?

 

Sure is fun to remove all the tension of being a fresh spawn....

People don't buy DayZ for a challenge.  They buy it for fun.

 

There will always be exploiters and hackers so the best thing you can do is report those players and pray they get dealt with.

 

Does it really bother you that I use the "f-word"?

 

Are you telling me that you can actually read my tone when you read my messages?  I assure you, I would say the exact same things to your face in a calm and non-threatening manner.

 

Personally, I don't like spawning with gear or having a hundred thousand cars/helicopters on the map at all times, but I am also not going to make QQ threads about people who do enjoy that type of thing.

 

If you really believe you won't ever find a vanilla server, go rent your own and run it that way and advertise it on the forums to attract the type of players you want.

[hannibaldaplaya 1095]

People don't buy DayZ for a challenge.  They buy it for fun.

 

There will always be exploiters and hackers so the best thing you can do is report those players and pray they get dealt with.

 

Does it really bother you that I use the "f-word"?

 

Are you telling me that you can actually read my tone when you read my messages?  I assure you, I would say the exact same things to your face in a calm and non-threatening manner.

 

Personally, I don't like spawning with gear or having a hundred thousand cars/helicopters on the map at all times, but I am also not going to make QQ threads about people who do enjoy that type of thing.

 

If you really believe you won't ever find a vanilla server, go rent your own and run it that way and advertise it on the forums to attract the type of players you want.

This isn't a QQ thread. I'm worried that what happened to the mod will happen to the SA.

 

DayZ is meant to be an authentic zombie apocalypse survival simulator. People buy it for fun, but it does not need to be easy to be fun. If you want it to be easy so it can be fun for you, you are playing the wrong game.

 

Surviving is fun, tense gunfights are fun, dying can even be fun. Everything is tense, harsh, and out to get you. This should not change.

 

What will make it change?

 

Private Hives with the logic of "Lets make everything super easy and not challenging at all."

[guppy22143 1081]

i wonder how many people who cry "oh noes its becoming COD" have ever played COD?

i get the elitist hacky attempt at a joke but please. just stop already.

I played COD. I can confirm, it won't become COD... But if we aren't careful, the survival aspect will be squashed and this will be ArmA.

 

so couldn't you just separate the characters from the private hives and the public hives much the way experimental and stable are separate here? never played the mod, saw a ton of vids (which prevented my playing the mod) and I would have to agree some o that stuff was a bit over the top.

A server is connected to a hive. A hive contains the data for characters, maps, loot, ect. ect. Totally separate. :)

[oregonized 673]

This isn't a QQ thread. I'm worried that what happened to the mod will happen to the SA.

 

DayZ is meant to be an authentic zombie apocalypse survival simulator. People buy it for fun, but it does not need to be easy to be fun. If you want it to be easy so it can be fun for you, you are playing the wrong game.

 

Surviving is fun, tense gunfights are fun, dying can even be fun. Everything is tense, harsh, and out to get you. This should not change.

 

What will make it change?

 

Private Hives with the logic of "Lets make everything super easy and not challenging at all."

Like I said, avoid those servers if you don't like them and start your own server with your own rules. 

[hannibaldaplaya 1095]

Like I said, avoid those servers if you don't like them and start your own server with your own rules. 

Except, that would require me to spend more of my money to play the game it was meant to be played... not everyone can afford to run their own server and have a "utopia" in their eyes. Sorry, pal, welcome to the world. Not everyone has cash to throw around.

[oregonized 673]

Except, that would require me to spend more of my money to play the game it was meant to be played... not everyone can afford to run their own server and have a "utopia" in their eyes. Sorry, pal, welcome to the world. Not everyone has cash to throw around.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no way the game is meant to be played.  Hence, the term sandbox being used when describing the game.

[Demoth 366]

People don't buy DayZ for a challenge. They buy it for fun.

Well, then they fucked up. The fun of this game, in its core design, is how hard it's supposed to be. That's not a hipster stance, that's just the truth about why this game was created and called an "anti-game".

There are plenty of shooters out there that let you start with a gun and loadout and then engage in pure PvP. Arma 3 does that, as does Battlefield 4.

A lot of DayZ mod vets all told me to stay off the Vanilla servers when I downloaded it (and never played). The reason was always "have fun playing with hackers and spastics". Every server I tried to join told me I needed to DL their version and I just got frustrated and went to other games that didn't feel like a project just to get into.

[oregonized 673]

Well, then they fucked up. The fun of this game, in its core design, is how hard it's supposed to be. That's not a hipster stance, that's just the truth about why this game was created and called an "anti-game".

There are plenty of shooters out there that let you start with a gun and loadout and then engage in pure PvP. Arma 3 does that, as does Battlefield 4.

A lot of DayZ mod vets all told me to stay off the Vanilla servers when I downloaded it (and never played). The reason was always "have fun playing with hackers and spastics". Every server I tried to join told me I needed to DL their version and I just got frustrated and went to other games that didn't feel like a project just to get into.

If you think DayZ is hard, you might want to go back to playing Angry Birds on your iPod.

[antonioajc 500]

Like I said, avoid those servers if you don't like them and start your own server with your own rules. 

Listen dude, he/she is just voicing his/her concern that those "CoD" servers will always be filled with people while those that had the vanilla experience and those that are great at survival/zombie apocalypse feeling, will get left out with barely any population.

[oregonized 673]

Listen dude, he/she is just voicing his/her concern that those "CoD" servers will always be filled with people while those that had the vanilla experience and those that are great at survival/zombie apocalypse feeling, will get left out with barely any population.

You can still find plenty of vanilla servers with high populations so their concerns are false, just like their claims that they will be left with nobody to play with on vanilla servers.

[Demoth 366]

If you think DayZ is hard, you might want to go back to playing Angry Birds on your iPod.

I was stating it's supposed to be hard, not claiming it's too difficult.

You are perhaps one of the worst posters on these forums. I have yet to see you post any response that isn't, in some way, an insult to someone else or an attempt to be very disruptive.

You really need to work on your personal insecurities. No one confident in their arguments has to result in belittlement.

[antonioajc 500]

You can still find plenty of vanilla servers with high populations so their concerns are false, just like their claims that they will be left with nobody to play with on vanilla servers.

A concern is a concern. You can't prove something like that as false if you don't know him/her. After all, he/she HAS the right to be concerned since the private hive has not been yet implemented and we don't know how it will impact the population on DayZ SA's servers. Just like people that are concerned about a WW3 because we don't know what will be the outcome and what will happen next over on Ukraine.

Edited March 9, 2014 by AntonioAJC

[oregonized 673]

I was stating it's supposed to be hard, not claiming it's too difficult.

You are perhaps one of the worst posters on these forums. I have yet to see you post any response that isn't, in some way, an insult to someone else or an attempt to be very disruptive.

You really need to work on your personal insecurities. No one confident in their arguments has to result in belittlement.

Perhaps you need to read what you just wrote and take your own advice.

 

 

A concern is a concern. You can't prove something like that as false if you don't know him/her. After all, he/she HAS the right to be concerned since the private hive has not been yet implemented and we don't know how it will impact the population on DayZ SA's servers. Just like people that are concerned about a WW3 because we don't know what will be the outcome and what will happen next over on Ukraine.

You can be concerned all you want but don't try to back up your concerns with false information.

[antonioajc 500]

Perhaps you need to read what you just wrote and take your own advice.

 

 

You can be concerned all you want but don't try to back up your concerns with false information.

 

Wa? I- I don't understand what you mean by "false information". Someone's on a shitty mood right now.

 

Are- Are you saying that the private hives are implemented right now? On the SA? Do you have any proof that makes me look like a total fool about what I just wrote?

Edited March 9, 2014 by AntonioAJC

[Capo 323]

You can still find plenty of vanilla servers with high populations so their concerns are false, just like their claims that they will be left with nobody to play with on vanilla servers.

 

B-B-Bulllllshit.

 

Private hives do entirely solve a few issues such as serverhopping and ghosting. But then bring a whole load of new ones, such as shitty admins, and stupid mods which make the game more casual. If the devs set up their own private hives that would be amazing, but while private hive administration is in the hands of players it nearly always comes down to 1000 vehicles and donor loadouts. Because private hives need those things to survive.  

 

so no, private hives the way the mod had them was complete shit. People don't donate without incentives, and so admins have to offer them. This is the reply I received when I asked for a more vanilla private hive on the news that the server I was playing on was getting replaced:

 

"Well you got to think about it, this is a private hive for a reason, which is because of the extra building, clan bases, kits, and all that other good stuff that vanilla servers don't provide, there is or was nothing vanilla about #1 at all, even when #1 was popular. If you really want a vanilla Epoch server or in your case Vanilla DayZ, go play the public hive DayZ server, 100% Vanilla."

 

This statement was made at a time when you were lucky if there was one aussie public hive server up with 20 people in it. So while I understand exactly why a lot of private hives are the way they are, it's still fucking shit. 

[oregonized 673]

Wa? I- I don't understand what you mean by "false information". Someone's on a shitty mood right now.

It's not something that should be too difficult for you to understand and I agree that you are in a shitty mood right now.  Perhaps go to bed for the night or take a short nap.

 

The false information I was talking about was the OP claiming that there are barely any vanilla servers with people on them.  This is not true at all.

[oregonized 673]

B-B-Bulllllshit.

 

Private hives do entirely solve a few issues such as serverhopping and ghosting. But then bring a whole load of new ones, such as shitty admins, and stupid mods which make the game more casual. If the devs set up their own private hives that would be amazing, but while private hive administration is in the hands of players it nearly always comes down to 1000 vehicles and donor loadouts. Because private hives need those things to survive.  

 

so no, private hives the way the mod had them was complete shit. People don't donate without incentives, and so admins have to offer them. This is the reply I received when I asked for a more vanilla private hive on the news that the server I was playing on was getting replaced:

 

"Well you got to think about it, this is a private hive for a reason, which is because of the extra building, clan bases, kits, and all that other good stuff that vanilla servers don't provide, there is or was nothing vanilla about #1 at all, even when #1 was popular. If you really want a vanilla Epoch server or in your case Vanilla DayZ, go play the public hive DayZ server, 100% Vanilla."

 

This statement was made at a time when you were lucky if there was one aussie public hive server up with 20 people in it. So while I understand exactly why a lot of private hives are the way they are, it's still fucking shit. 

[Capo 323]

 

Don't be sad, the mod still has private hives, you can play there!

[oregonized 673]

Don't be sad, the mod still has private hives, you can play there!

I have no reason to be sad because I enjoy the vanilla playstyle, but I am not going to cry about what people do on private servers they are paying absurd amounts of money each month for.

[hannibaldaplaya 1095]

Instead of reading his points and trying to debunk them you reply with yet another insult, attempting to make someone who wrote well-thought out points on the pros and cons of private hives appear as if they are some sort of "crybaby".

 

If you really can't disprove any of their claims, why reply in the first place with something so immature? It just makes you look bad, and the mix of numbers in your name doesn't help, either.

[hells high 676]

For what its worth, I'd run a vanilla private hive. I'd want the community and the world being built on my server (when things like persistent objects make their way in) to be uniquely ours, while effectively eliminating hoppers.

[antonioajc 500]

Instead of reading his points and trying to debunk them you reply with yet another insult, attempting to make someone who wrote well-thought out points on the pros and cons of private hives appear as if they are some sort of "crybaby".

 

If you really can't disprove any of their claims, why reply in the first place with something so immature? It just makes you look bad, and the mix of numbers in your name doesn't help, either.

I already reported him and provided a link to this thread on the report. I even said "It gets exciting on page 4".

[oregonized 673]

Instead of reading his points and trying to debunk them you reply with yet another insult, attempting to make someone who wrote well-thought out points on the pros and cons of private hives appear as if they are some sort of "crybaby".

 

If you really can't disprove any of their claims, why reply in the first place with something so immature? It just makes you look bad, and the mix of numbers in your name doesn't help, either.

He made no points worth noting and looked to be crying because some people had donor incentives or more vehicles on the map.  Have you even playd the mod lately?  I haven't played on any servers with donor incentives or any ridiculous shit like you guys claim.  Oh, that's right... you chose to play on those servers, then cry about it on the forums.

 

Are you so immature that you can't handle being proven wrong that you have to resort to insulting my name?  Yes, let's talk about things that don't help your cause shall we.

[Demoth 366]

Perhaps you need to read what you just wrote and take your own advice.

You can be concerned all you want but don't try to back up your concerns with false information.

I wasn't questioning your intelligence or calling into question your sexual orientation. I was calling you out for a number of very mean-spirited posts you've been making lately, far worse than any other regular poster that doesn't have the grammar or spelling of an angry teenager, meaning that I feel it's at least worth pointing out in the hopes you'll knock off all the ad hominem and venomous snipes.

Do I get overly aggressive at times? Sure. But you hhave successfully derailed a number of conversations into flaming, and I'm not sure if that's your goal.

Back on track - One thing I hate about private servers is admin abuse. As Acadia said, Rust is almost exclusively private servers. I've had to build up a number of characters because I seem to inevitably do something to piss off an admin, i.e. not kiss his ass. This means I either get raided because the admin and his friends get unlimited C4 -somehow-, or I shoot the admin in the face and get kicked.

I know it's a bias, so I don't want to make it the sole basis of my argument, but I've yet to play any non traditonal FPS games with private servers and active admins who didn't arbitrarily kick / ban people simply because they felt like it. Hell, every DayZ server had this happeninf until BI basically made it against the rules.

And sadly, Rust already has official servers that are essentially unplayable because they're so full of people who don't give two fucks because their "real" character is on one of the private servers.

Edited March 9, 2014 by Demoth