The truth about heroes, bandits, survivors, KOS, and friendlies.

[Etherimp 1323]

I'm really not going to justify your post with a response aside from this: This is not the thread to argue KOS. I have not advocated one playstyle over another. Please read the entire thread before posting KOS non-sense in here. We get it, you want to KOS people.. Nobody is stopping you.

[thequantum 52]

You have to ask yourself what is more rewarding for you, and what is more rewarding for the people around you. I have had amazing gun fights with geared players that dragged on for several hours, and even though I may have died (sometimes more than once), I felt blessed to be involved in such an epic battle.

I only care about what is rewarding for me, and that is sniping someone from a position where there is no possible way for them to reach me in 30 seconds, and then logging out if I miss. I know a lot of people hate that, but it's part of the game, and it's what I get enjoyment out of. Just because you disagree that is not how the game should be played, doesn't make it wrong. There are no defined rules for how to play the game.

[rodolfoxiii 71]

The first thing that you must understand about DayZ, is that it is NOT a quality First Person Shooter. If what gets you your kicks is tight gun mechanics and fast paced game play, then there are better FPS games that do it better. Insurgency and CS:Go, as example. If what gets you off is driving around in military vehicles firing heavy weapons, again, you should look to games like the Battlefield franchise or even ARMA III. If zombie apocalypse games are your fancy, DayZ probably isn't the best for that either.

 

Summary: Walking simulator.

[wild_man 4442]

 

 

KoS, the person, if you would like to contribute to this thread, maybe you could tell people how they can avoid falling victim to someone like yourself? :)

 

 

i only Kill on Sight so guys I not killing I don't sighting :D DONT BE IN SIGHT TOO MUCH KOS HAPPEN LESS FOR YOU

 

#1 don't play like is race, take time scout around from good conceal place before you going to town/airfield etc don't follow road run across field like is nothing to be afraid. IS DAYZ IS ALWAYS SOMETHING TRY TO KILL YOU FEAR IS FRIEND ;)

 

#2 if you see guy with gun DONT SAY HALLO ARE YOU FRIENDLY? :huh: you throwing away power position of see the guy before he know you around FOR WHY??? if you insist to make interaction happen do from position of strength only example gun point on his back, don't assume other guys are unicorn like you because 99% is not unicorn :huh:

 

#3 look around always NEVER STOP TO LOOK!!! be aware of surrounding area example where is closer cover? where you going if guy start to shoot? what is best route for escaping? ;)

 

#4 if guy shooting on you and miss DONT PANIC stay calm and move fast to cover if you have gun check is load etc and make plan, decide immediate stand and fight or run for life and do fast :thumbsup:  :P

 

#5  if guy talking you maybe doing hold up and you want to survive do what he saying drop gun etc, if he definite want to do murder he doing before even douche guy CAN BE CHARM, make laugh this guy and maybe he liking you, also if you live you always having chance for kill this bitch, wait for moment maybe he making mistake etc losing focus and strike fast like cobra if you feel confident

 

#6 best way not to die from player is make player going miles away to beach single bullet to head to preserve the loot no speak no warn   :thumbsup:  :ph34r:

Edited March 8, 2014 by KoS

[execpro22 128]

I'm really not going to justify your post with a response

 

 

I'm not suprised....

 

 

 

 

 This is not the thread to argue KOS. I have not advocated one playstyle over another. Please read the entire thread before posting KOS non-sense in here. We get it, you want to KOS people.. Nobody is stopping you.

 

 

Wait what?

 

You argued about some points I made regarding KOS.

 

I made a counter argument based soley on your argument....

 

So, only you can talk about KOS in this thread, but if anyone else does it is "nonsense" ?

 

We get it, you only want to listen arguments made by people with the same view as you.. Nobody is stopping you.

[Iezza 108]

KOS and combat logging in my opinion have no similarities.

 

If the game is meant to be realistic/ a sim, how is literally disappearing off the earth and not being able to be killed, and just shooting people on sight in any way similar?

 

I can do one of those in real life, and much to my dismay it isn't the first one. 

[finnpalm 312]

KoS is a playstyle.

Combat logging is an exploit.

They're not the same or even close to similar.

To combat log is literally to decide to not play the game. You're logging out, ergo you are not in the game anymore. It's a forfeit.

It's not impossible to create a system that keeps track of what the circumstances are when you log out. Similar systems exist in other games. A good example is the fully automated system that keeps track of team killers in World of Tanks. That system is never wrong, no matter what some blue-flagged TKers will try to tell you to defend their actions.

A similar system that checks the circumstances when you log out and simply kill your character if you combat logged could potentially be implemented in DayZ.

Food for thought.

[Iezza 108]

Maybe just do some elder scrolls level stuff and not allow logging out when an enemy is nearby. Obviously this wont apply if you're being sniped or in a long range firefight, but most combat logging happens( in my experience) in a close range environment.

 

Enemy nearby means someone with a gun drawn, if you're with friends, simply tell them to un-draw their gun while you log out.

[finnpalm 312]

Such a system can keep track of you being shot at from long distances as well.

Edited March 8, 2014 by Strawman

[TheScruffyBandit 382]

7. Use 3rd person.. If you're on a normal server. IF not, then use your peek function and have high fidelity headphones with proper settings..

 

Don't advise people to use third person. You may aswell tell them to go and download a wallhack.

[Inception. 9443]

The post is opinionated and not necessarily factual, so it won't be pinned. But if it is a good post then it'll generally stay on the first page due to popularity. 

[Etherimp 1323]

Double post please delete.

Edited March 9, 2014 by Etherimp

[Etherimp 1323]

I'm not suprised....

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wait what?

 

You argued about some points I made regarding KOS.

 

I made a counter argument based soley on your argument....

 

So, only you can talk about KOS in this thread, but if anyone else does it is "nonsense" ?

 

We get it, you only want to listen arguments made by people with the same view as you.. Nobody is stopping you.

 

 

I didn't argue any points you made about anything. Please show me the post where I directly quoted and responded to something you said in this thread about KOS? 

You took a post I made and picked it apart, insulted me and got argumentative. Fact is, I don't care how you play the game and I'm not a "KOS Whiner".. If you had read this thread you would know that. You cherry picked 1 post I made and completely ignored everything else I've stated in this thread. You're clearly looking for an argument and I'm not going to give you one.

Edited March 9, 2014 by Etherimp

[Etherimp 1323]

Don't advise people to use third person. You may aswell tell them to go and download a wallhack.

 

So... Don't advise people to use a tool which will help their survival on 3rd person servers, where other people will be using the same tool? 

Sorry, but I'll advise people as I see fit. If you don't want to play on 3rd Person Servers, you do not have to, as Hardcore servers are now available. As soon as Dean removes 3rd Person Perspective completely, I'll happily update the OP.

[minime1000 78]

Don't advise people to use third person. You may aswell tell them to go and download a wallhack.

It is a 3rd person game. You gonna tell people not to use 3rd person in Tomb Raider too or something lol

 

 

It's not impossible to create a system that keeps track of what the circumstances are when you log out. Similar systems exist in other games. A good example is the fully automated system that keeps track of team killers in World of Tanks. That system is never wrong, no matter what some blue-flagged TKers will try to tell you to defend their actions.

A similar system that checks the circumstances when you log out and simply kill your character if you combat logged could potentially be implemented in DayZ.

Food for thought.

 

Creating a smart system that can tell the difference between combat log and just regular quit is a thousand times more complex than keeping track of teamkills. It is impossible to make one that is perfect.

Edited March 9, 2014 by myshl0ng

[Meenos 47]

Really interesting post! For sure!

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"LEGEND"

ME

Situations/Rule breaking

 

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How do i play ?

I try to roleplay as much as possible, i really want to try avoid talking about IRL things or (game related) such as

- Hope cars is comming soon!

- Do you want to switch server ?

- Did he log out ?

- i need to go eat, see you later

 

I rather use terms such as.

- I could need a car, too bad we havnt found a working one

- hard to find terms for switching server without using it so actually i do talk server related when switching etc

- I cant find him) Where is he, etc

 

So how is my playstyle ? well actually its kinda variable but i try keep it to the following rules/codes i have for myself

 

- Dont shoot unless you are being shot at 

(unless it sounds like a warzone because its hard to belive there are many friendly when there are so much gunfire. --((however there might be friendly but you cant be sure they will treat you like a friendly--))

 

- Help everyone you can. If i can, i will help with broken legs, give blood, food, drinks and melee weapons, i rarely give out guns but sometimes i do so if i feel they really are friendly. However there are cases when people have been trying to kill me with what i have given them. i shoot them multiple times, in the head. and a few extra in the back for stabbing me. 

 

- Be polite, Friendly and social

- Avoid risks as much as possible

Sometimes i do take seriously insane risks, Like running up to a fresh kill in elektro when i know there are at least 5 guns in the city. however, when low on ammo and pretty much everything else, and you maybe only have bullets for 1 more kill it is worth it. 

 

Another risk ive done is to attack a robber with fists, many times i get killed. But a few times ive manage to hit them in the head 2 or 3 times and knocking them out, quickly taken their weapons and killed them. However 1 or 2 Civillians has been met with this kind of attack aswell. 

 

- take things slowly if i feel the situation is threatening to my life

i do tend to rush things, and it can cost allot. But it can be rewarding due to the fact that they doesnt suspect it, what they dont suspect is probably a good attack.

 

- Hunt bandits, i try to find them but it can be really hard to determine foe from friend sometimes (due to all situations where ive been backstabbed or lied too. or when people have used me for things.) or the fact that some armed people shoot on sight and some make you put your hands up and then ither rob you, kill you or let you go. you rarely get to go, at least with many items or weapons

 

- When ive shot or hit someone with melee weapons or bullets i always make sure to double tap. Make sure their dead by iether shooting them or hitting them in the head or body a few times with melee weapons.

there are several cases where i thought it was a clean kill and it ended up by being attacked by them. sometimes this has costed me my life, other times its been real close to being my death

 

- Im not the best guy of knowing when to strike, but i strive to find the perfect moment.

many times you iether wait too long or you rush into things too fast. i need to train myself to both gaining some patience and to be more careful if rushing. (non intended rushing that is) when i "though" the situation was right.

 

 

Dont know what else to type but really nice thread dude, you have my beans for that wonderful text, was really nice reading it

Edited March 9, 2014 by Meenos

[finnpalm 312]

It is a 3rd person game. You gonna tell people not to use 3rd person in Tomb Raider too or something lol

Creating a smart system that can tell the difference between combat log and just regular quit is a thousand times more complex than keeping track of teamkills. It is impossible to make one that is perfect.

I disagree. The game already keeps track of most of the data needed. It's not as complex as you would think.

[Ratter (DayZ) 11]

This all seems to me to be down to personal opinion. And in my opinion this would be a very boring game without the wide variety of play styles. Wouldn't it be dull if everyone was friendly there wouldn't be a point in having guns and it really would be a walking and eating simulator.

The only things I find hard to like is killing fresh spawns and combat loging what's the point if you want to fight pick a real fight not a walk over even if the new spawn is a ungeared bandit or hero or whatever side of the moral fence you are and combat logging you know who you are and you are lame C U Next Time S stand and fight especially if you started it it's not that hard to out manover someone of retreat if you don't like where it's going don't just vanish plus it's not that hard to gear up.

I am looking forward to seeing what features they implement in the future and how that effects peoples play style eg make it harder to survive via disease and harder and more Zombies making it more attractive to play in groups and harder to camp and make the center of the map moor attractive.

[Grimey Rick 3417]

To sum up the OP: play the game as you would if you yourself were there.

[Etherimp 1323]

To sum up the OP: play the game as you would if you yourself were there.

 

 

Touche'..

 

Play smart, and live longer. Don't bitch about KOS.. 

[DropBearChick 1217]

Bitch about kos all you want, just dont expect me to listen to you

[Etherimp 1323]

Bitch about kos all you want, just dont expect me to listen to you

 

 

True dat.

 

TLDR = Getting KOS'd is usually your own fault.

[wild_man 4442]

 

 

TLDR = Getting KOS'd is usually your own fault.

 

is the true  :)

 

dayz having some exception - game bug/glitch/hacker cheat bastard - if you die from this is NOT your fault and is ok to feel frustrate but don't make QQ rage because this don't help nothing ;)

 

all other time death is possible for avoid and if character die is PLAYER FAULT 100% :P

 

I don't give fucks what happen if you FAIL to keep character safe and alive is RESPONSIBILTY OF YOU THE PLAYER >:(

 

no playstyle of other guys making you die if you don't give opportunity for them :huh:

Edited March 9, 2014 by KoS

[execpro22 128]

I didn't argue any points you made about anything. Please show me the post where I directly quoted and responded to something you said in this thread about KOS? 

 

 

 

 

Check the previous page... I actually quoted you and responded to what you had said about KOS which YOU  brought up first....

 

 

 

 

You took a post I made and picked it apart, insulted me and got argumentative. Fact is, I don't care how you play the game and I'm not a "KOS Whiner".. If you had read this thread you would know that. You cherry picked 1 post I made and completely ignored everything else I've stated in this thread. You're clearly looking for an argument and I'm not going to give you one.

 

 

Never insulted you even though my viewpoint seems to some how be insulting to you...

 

 

You made some pretty ignorant posts about KOS and I corrected you. Instead of answering to these criticisms of your views you basically said well "i give up" and put your fingers in your ears so you wouldnt hear anything I had said...

 

 

And yes I did read your OP where you state you are ok with KOS.... does that mean I'm not allowed to criticise your views or something?

[Etherimp 1323]

Check the previous page... I actually quoted you and responded to what you had said about KOS which YOU  brought up first....

 

 

 

 

 

 

Never insulted you even though my viewpoint seems to some how be insulting to you...

 

 

You made some pretty ignorant posts about KOS and I corrected you. Instead of answering to these criticisms of your views you basically said well "i give up" and put your fingers in your ears so you wouldnt hear anything I had said...

 

 

And yes I did read your OP where you state you are ok with KOS.... does that mean I'm not allowed to criticise your views or something?

 

 

Post #68 is the first where I responded "in general" to the KOS discussion. I did not respond directly to you or quote anything you said. I did not start an argument over KOS. I even said in that post that this thread was not a Pro/Anti KOS thread.

The only thing you've criticized so far is "KOS Whiners", which are not my views. You're making an argument where there is none. I am not "giving up and putting my fingers in my ears"... I am avoiding an argument with you because your argument is fucking stupid and not worth my time. I have nothing to gain by arguing KOS with you. Maybe you should ask yourself why you're bothering to chide me into an argument that I don't want to have?