The truth about heroes, bandits, survivors, KOS, and friendlies.

[deebz1234 243]

so dont be friendly...its not hold HandZ unicorn fun land

 

i stalk you from the bushes, you never see me, i decide if your a threat, i watch your movements your gear, etc and maybe you wont see the bullet or maybe ill say hi and be on my way

[doviszxc 194]

Please god no, no,no, nooooOOOOOOOoooOO!!!

 

Seriously, please stop complaining about KoS, theres only one explanation to KoS - ITS A PART OF THE GAME , JESUS CHRIST!!!

[Elle 562]

I keep telling myself one of these days I'll shoot on sight but so far I've always said something before attempting to kill someone else (like 3 or 4 times now). yesterday morning I was at the mil base north of kamenka and encountered someone coming out of a barracks I was just about to go in to, I said "I see you but I won't shoot, have fun..." and made my quickly off the base as he was coming from where I was going so no point looting there anymore. Point is I didn't even bother to KOS even on a military base. I seem to have an aversion to murder altho I am not entirely sure the person I didn't shoot shares that attitude, he did have a gun on his back but no weapon in his hands and I was pointing an M4 at him so I felt I had the upper hand in the situation and used it to take my leave.

[minime1000 78]

Killing is fun, especially on 3pp servers when you have more awareness like in other 3rd person shooters.

At the end of the day, it is still a shooter.

Edited March 8, 2014 by myshl0ng

[Etherimp 1323]

Killing is fun, especially on 3pp servers when you have more awareness like in other 3rd person shooters.

At the end of the day, it is still a shooter.

 

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but DayZ isn't a "shooter".

[Unforeseen 24]

I love how the people who just KOS because its how they get off always come in here and try to claim its for survival purposes. Must make them feel better.

 

I've killed a grand total of two people in cold blood since I started playing this game. One because he was afk and bleeding out and I needed rags so I was like oh wth. And two because the guy was lagging so bad he was going to get shot anyways so I did him a favor and put him out of his misery.

[wild_man 4442]

I love how the people who just KOS because its how they get off always come in here and try to claim its for survival purposes. Must make them feel better.

 

 

 

nope :P

 

is truth we saying

 

#1 strategy for survive is kill other guy because DEAD GUY DONT COWARD LOG OR KILL YOU AND IS BONUS OF QUICK LOOTS  ;)

 

is simple fact of dayz that kill armed player is most satisfy action in game so is for survive AND ALSO FOR PLEASURE :thumbsup:  :)

 

is game FOR FUN and is not real life so I NEVER FEELING BAD FOR KILL ARMED GUY :D

 

I play best way for WIN and for ENJOY

 

is LOSER who dying everytime FAILTO SURVIVE who making QQ rage post every day here who DONT enjoy game :thumbsup:  :rolleyes:

 

but KOS style player having maximum fun everytime B)

Edited March 8, 2014 by KoS

[Unforeseen 24]

Killing is fun, especially on 3pp servers when you have more awareness like in other 3rd person shooters.

At the end of the day, it is still a shooter.

News Flash: At the end of the day it is still NOT a shooter.

[doviszxc 194]

nope :P

 

is truth we saying

 

#1 strategy for survive is kill other guy because DEAD GUY DONT COWARD LOG OR KILL YOU AND IS BONUS OF QUICK LOOTS  ;)

 

is simple fact of dayz that kill armed player is most satisfy action in game so is for survive AND ALSO FOR PLEASURE :thumbsup:  :)

 

is game FOR FUN and is not real life so I NEVER FEELING BAD FOR KILL ARMED GUY :D

 

I play best way for WIN and for ENJOY

 

is LOSER who dying everytime who making QQ rage post every day here WHO don't enjoy game :thumbsup:  :rolleyes:

 

but KOS style player having maximum fun everytime B)

 

but KOS style player having maximum fun everytime...

 

wtf?

 

I know I am not against KoS but if you play DayZ JUST for KoS'ing, how's that fun all the time? I mean, you will eventually get fkin bored or something.

Edited March 8, 2014 by Doviszxc

[DemonGroover 8836]

Because it is the easy way.

 

If you treat everyone as an enemy your decision whether to shoot on sight or not is already made.

 

But if you think about whether the shot is worth taking or not then it adds a whole new level to the game.

 

That's how i play anyway, to each their own.

Edited March 8, 2014 by DemonGroover

[wild_man 4442]

but KOS style player having maximum fun everytime...

 

wtf?

 

I know I am not against KoS but if you play DayZ JUST for KoS'ing, how's that fun all the time? I mean, you will eventually get fkin bored or something.

 

where I saying this I playing JUST for kOSing? :huh:

 

I love this game for all challenge of survive

 

include vs environment manage the health don't die from zombie and don't die from player ;)

 

I having many strategy for doing this and I using always brain and imagination

 

but one thing I love most is see armed player make my adrenalin produce and my instinct for survive taking over :D

 

because in multiplayer game ultimate challenge is vs other player >:(

 

I love too much fear and risk of attack and WIN OR LOSE is always most intense moment in this game

 

and show me man who don't enjoy victory over other man and I show you pure loser :|

 

 

Because it is the easy way.

 

always you saying is easy way :huh:

 

fair fight and plan attack for the win is not easy way >:(

 

stay hide in bush or house wait for danger going is easy way :o

 

put your skill vs human opponent is ultimate challenge of this game and is take courage and skill ;)

Edited March 8, 2014 by KoS

[byrgesen 1341]

guys who killing you are focus 100% on survive at all cost  :thumbsup:  :ph34r:

 

they are winner B)

 

lol.......

Far from all are " focus 100% on survive at all cost", mostly are actually just doing it to piss you off and ruin your day.

And no, people who do nothing but KOS arent winners, they are losers who chose the easiest gameplay style....

Play as a medic or a hero and see how difficult that is, compared to simply shooting everything.

Dont get me wrong, KOS needs to be in the game, but if its all you do, you are chosing the "easy mode" in DayZ tbh.

 

 

 

Because it is the easy way.

 

Damn, you beat me to it mate ;)

Edited March 8, 2014 by Byrgesen

[Etherimp 1323]

Because it is the easy way.

 

If you treat everyone as an enemy your decision whether to shoot on sight or not is already made.

 

But if you think about whether the shot is worth taking or not then it adds a whole new level to the game.

 

That's how i play anyway, to each their own.

 

 

This exactly.. 

 

It's not that killing people isn't fun.

 

It's not that KOS players are bad or jerks.

 

It's that they aren't making the most out of the game.

[Snowball (DayZ) 115]

BEFORE YOU EVEN THINK OF POSTING A REPLY, THIS IS NOT A POST TO COMPLAIN ABOUT KOS/COMBAT LOG!!!

Sorry for vitually shouting, but it's just to avoid these kind of replies  

 

So I wanted to make this post for a while now, since I've seen a lot of threads which complain about both KOS/Combat Log, and no this is not a thread to complain about the abundance of these threads, because everyone who visited this forum only once knows there are a lot of these threads of course,  but it's just something to give you people a different point of view about KOS/Combat Log, discuss how both of them are pretty similar, maybe even change some mindsets...if this sounds interesting to you, please, keep reading! If it does not and you just want to post a reply about how much this post sucks, feel free to do so! Free speech for everyone  :P 

KOS & Combat Log: The similarities

This has recently struck my mind and it's actually pretty interesting to see how KOS & Combat Logging are pretty similar. 

So, what are the similarities then?

1. They both are features which are very typical for a game like DayZ (survival games)

2.  Both of them are looked down upon by certain people of the DayZ community. (Read the numerous posts about KOS & Combat Logging) AND both of them are encouraged by certain people as well! Although there are not many  people who really come out for the fact that they Combat Log, since they generally get a negative respons and immediatly get insulted for "noob" or such, mostly by people who are bandits or KOS'ers in-game (which makes sense  ^_^ ) but why is this exactly? I will adress this later.

3. Probably the most important one, both of them ruin the "game experience" of dayz for another player(s). (I put "game experience" between brackets, because I think you are the only person who can decide if you wanna get angry or enjoy a game ) In the case of KOS, this is for the person who got KOS'd, in the case of Combat Log, for the bandit(s) or KOS(ers). Nowadays there have been implemented sanctions on Combat Log though, which mean that pretty much 90% of the Combat Loggers will be dead when they log back in. 

So, now that we know the similarities, why is it that KOS is not sanctioned by the developers, and Combat Log is? Well; the answer is very simple: To keep the game alive.

Kos & Combat Log: The differences

 

1. Imagine if Combat Log wouldn't be sanctioned and KOS would be. DayZ would lose a tremendous amount of people, a certain type of people: Those that are called 'Bandits' & the Kos'ers in DayZ. And those are the people which are I'd say (rough estimate) about 50% of the DayZ gamers. DayZ developers wouldn't be very happy to see all those people go, So it's rather normal they "choose the side of the bandits & Kos'ers" (put between brackets because I think there are no real sides, we all play the same game amirite  ) and put sanctions on Combat Logging, because it is mostly addressed by the KOS'ers & Bandits (for obvious reasons)

2. Combat Logging is generally looked down upon because it would be "nooby", "ruining game experience" and most of all "cowardly".  (Fun fact, this is mostly used to describe KOS'ers too by anti-KOS people). Now I ask you: We are playing a videogame here. Please tell me: How can one be a "coward' in a videogame? How would you describe a noob?  How does one be a coward in real life actually? Most of you probably think now "yeah running away from danger, not facing it" but in fact it's absolutely normal for people to run away from danger. It's actually pretty stupid if you wouldn't  :P. And in DayZ, that aspect comes back too. Some try to eliminate the danger (KOS) & some decide to make sure it cannot hit them (Combat Log), which is basically the same as running away  

Conclusion

KOS & Combat Log are both aspects of the game, which are never gonna dissapear completely, even if they are sanctioned, , so we shouldn't be complaining about it too much. Discussion & complaining is good & everyones story is different, but the core is always the same , my best suggestion would be to just stop making yourself become angry about it, because there will always be people who do that kinda stuff. And those people are in their full right to do so, since DayZ is a sandbox survival game, and you choose how you play it by the rules (which basically is just no hacking or cheating), & nobody else.

Hope you found this thread a lil bit interesting, feedback & discussion is always appreciated as long as we can keep it clean & respectful for everyone!  :) 

NOTE: Things I wrote in this post are solely from my point of view, you don't have to agree with me or take my opinion as truth. It's just my point of view of this discussion 
Also, I don't KOS or Combat Log. Thought I should get that out there.
Sorry for long post!

Edit: Typos

Edited March 8, 2014 by Snowball

[execpro22 128]

Play as a medic or a hero and see how difficult that is, compared to simply shooting everything.

Dont get me wrong, KOS needs to be in the game, but if its all you do, you are chosing the "easy mode" in DayZ tbh.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Complete myth...

 

 

Shoot on sight playstyle is actually more challenging. You get into ALOT more firefights. Your life expectancy is actually lower than a friendlies.

 

Trust me, having the "KOS" playstyle is WAY more challenging then some of you like to characterize it...

[execpro22 128]

Conclusion

KOS & Combat Log are both aspects of the game, which are never gonna dissapear completely, even if they are sanctioned, ,

 

I am little confused here. Why should KOS dissappear at all? It is a legitimate playstyle right?

 

 

I'm also confused as to how you can even put a playstyle in the same boat as exploiting a game mechanic such as combat logging?

 

 

Rocket did create a log timer to combat combat logging right?

 

Did rocket create anything to restrict or make a certain playstyle "dissappear'?

[wild_man 4442]

Complete myth...

 

 

Shoot on sight playstyle is actually more challenging. You get into ALOT more firefights. Your life expectancy is actually lower than a friendlies.

 

Trust me, having the "KOS" playstyle is WAY more challenging then some of you like to characterize it...

 

 

is always same attack on guys who enjoy pvp :D

 

'is easy way' :huh:

 

how is easy risk everything in gun fight with human player? >:(

 

I think too many guys making mistake putting KoS player/bandit and asshole fresh spawn killer etc in same group :rolleyes:

Edited March 8, 2014 by KoS

[Etherimp 1323]

You guys who see KOS as "PVP", are clearly missing the point.

 

Holding someone up is PVP.  Hiding behind a "PVP" argument is rather disingenuous, as is hiding behind the "I do it to increase my survival!" argument. In fact, out of the last 10 or 15 posts in this thread, one KOSer claims he's doing it for survival, while another states that it's "harder" and your lifespan is shorter.

 

So which is it, boys? Is it easier because it ensures your survival, or is it more difficult because it decreases your survivability because you get in more gun fights?

Also, most KOSing is not guys getting in legit gun fights.. In my experience, MOST KOSing is people shooting other people who weren't even aware of the other persons presence. 

 

PVP is what happens when 2 groups collide at Balota or NWAF, and both "groups" are well geared and know they are getting into a gun fight. PVP isn't when you come across a guy and shoot him in the back while  he's looting a can of beans or playing inventory tetris. 

 

I am not going to lie and say I don't KOS from time to time. In fact I just had an experience where I saw a guy running around inside of a jail, and I tried to talk to him.. I clear the building and he seemingly disappeared. We had closed the door to the jail behind us, and cleared the building. As I was coming back to the front door, it opened and a guy came in with his gun drawn. I didn't bother talking. I unloaded my SKS on him. Was this KOS? Probably.. But I feel it was understandable and justified, as I was cornered.

 

The difference is, I don't wave a big pro-KOS flag where I search people out to kill without ever interacting with them, and I feel like that's the kind of KOS some of you are advocating. 

 

 

On another note... This is not a pro/anti KOS thread, so it's starting to move off topic. I'm not here to debate the Pro's and Con's of KOS or advocate one style over another.. There are plenty of other threads to do that in. I'm here to explain to new players (and some older ones) WHY they are getting KOS'd and possibly how to avoid it in the future by altering their game play..

 

KoS, the person, if you would like to contribute to this thread, maybe you could tell people how they can avoid falling victim to someone like yourself? :)

[finnpalm 312]

You guys who see KOS as "PVP", are clearly missing the point.

 

Holding someone up is PVP.  Hiding behind a "PVP" argument is rather disingenuous, as is hiding behind the "I do it to increase my survival!" argument. In fact, out of the last 10 or 15 posts in this thread, one KOSer claims he's doing it for survival, while another states that it's "harder" and your lifespan is shorter.

 

So which is it, boys? Is it easier because it ensures your survival, or is it more difficult because it decreases your survivability because you get in more gun fights?

Also, most KOSing is not guys getting in legit gun fights.. In my experience, MOST KOSing is people shooting other people who weren't even aware of the other persons presence. 

 

PVP is what happens when 2 groups collide at Balota or NWAF, and both "groups" are well geared and know they are getting into a gun fight. PVP isn't when you come across a guy and shoot him in the back while  he's looting a can of beans or playing inventory tetris. 

 

I am not going to lie and say I don't KOS from time to time. In fact I just had an experience where I saw a guy running around inside of a jail, and I tried to talk to him.. I clear the building and he seemingly disappeared. We had closed the door to the jail behind us, and cleared the building. As I was coming back to the front door, it opened and a guy came in with his gun drawn. I didn't bother talking. I unloaded my SKS on him. Was this KOS? Probably.. But I feel it was understandable and justified, as I was cornered.

 

The difference is, I don't wave a big pro-KOS flag where I search people out to kill without ever interacting with them, and I feel like that's the kind of KOS some of you are advocating. 

 

 

On another note... This is not a pro/anti KOS thread, so it's starting to move off topic. I'm not here to debate the Pro's and Con's of KOS or advocate one style over another.. There are plenty of other threads to do that in. I'm here to explain to new players (and some older ones) WHY they are getting KOS'd and possibly how to avoid it in the future by altering their game play..

 

KoS, the person, if you would like to contribute to this thread, maybe you could tell people how they can avoid falling victim to someone like yourself? :)

 

I'd like to add that PvP doesn't have to include any gunfighting at all. Simply interacting with another player is PvP. Maybe you're trying to convince the other player to trade you a bandage for a can of beans. That's PvP. Maybe you're being threatened by the other player who wants to rob you, but you try to get out of it by telling them you don't have anything of worth, but that you can lead them to a spot where you saw something valuable that you didn't have room for in your inventory or whatever. That's PvP too.

 

PvP is the complete and utter freedom of being able to interact with other players in any way you choose in a given situation.

 

This is my opinion. I know the more popular opinion only includes actual fighting in it's description of PvP. I, however, prefer to broaden that definition a bit.

[xRann 126]

KoS, the person, if you would like to contribute to this thread, maybe you could tell people how they can avoid falling victim to someone like yourself? :)

^ this. In the true spirit of "the fight" share some. Whenever I group up with random people in game I always braindump my tactics and my pitfalls. It's not very often that I do, but, meh on exp servers why not? They just become more aware, you can actually hear it in their voice that the gears are turning with more enthusiasm. Nothing like jogging through the woods talking about past fights to get your desire for more adrenaline going.

[minime1000 78]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but DayZ isn't a "shooter".

You can play it like a shooter.

[Iezza 108]

You can play it like a shooter.

 

As you can play Thrillville: off the rails as a shooter.

 

It's there, but it aint the way it meant to be .

[minime1000 78]

As you can play Thrillville: off the rails as a shooter.

 

It's there, but it aint the way it meant to be .

Rocket said there is not "right" way to play. Me playing it like a shooter is just as valid as anything else.

And as long as guns and 3pp are in, I can use the exact same tactics as I did in gears of war or cod 3rd person mode.

 

If it wasn't a shooter, then 3rd person wouldn't be in the game and I would have to take actual risks in 1pp.

[Etherimp 1323]

Rocket said there is not "right" way to play. Me playing it like a shooter is just as valid as anything else.

And as long as guns and 3pp are in, I can use the exact same tactics as I did in gears of war or cod 3rd person mode.

 

If it wasn't a shooter, then 3rd person wouldn't be in the game and I would have to take actual risks in 1pp.

 

Playing DayZ like a shooter is like driving a Dumptruck to work.

 

There are better shooters.

[execpro22 128]

Holding someone up is PVP. Hiding behind a "PVP" argument is rather disingenuous, as is hiding behind the "I do it to increase my survival!" argument. In fact, out of the last 10 or 15 posts in this thread, one KOSer claims he's doing it for survival, while another states that it's "harder" and your lifespan is shorter.

So which is it, boys? Is it easier because it ensures your survival, or is it more difficult because it decreases your survivability because you get in more gun fights

Why in your little world does everyone who chooses a certain playstyle have to do it for the same reasons?

One guys does it for the thrill, another does it for survival..

How is this so hard for you to comprehend?

Also, most KOSing is not guys getting in legit gun fights.. In my experience, MOST KOSing is people shooting other people who weren't even aware of the other persons presence.

What experience is that? You have KOS alot before? What exactly is considered "legit" gunfight to you? Do we have to call out our position before we start firing or something?

What rules do we have to abide by in your world to be "legit"?

PVP is what happens when 2 groups collide at Balota or NWAF, and both "groups" are well geared and know they are getting into a gun fight. PVP isn't when you come across a guy and shoot him in the back while he's looting a can of beans or playing inventory tetris.

Oh ok so you get to decide what is PVP or not huh?

I'm sorry, but you KOS whiners have been using that same sad argument forever and its still not anymore true today then it was when the mod first came out...

I didn't bother talking. I unloaded my SKS on him. Was this KOS? Probably.. But I feel it was understandable and justified, as I was cornered.

Why exactly would anyone have to justify any playstyle they choose in the game?

Thats what you people dont get... There is no distinction between bandit or KOS and there is NO reason to have to justify a playstyle in this game.

The difference is, I don't wave a big pro-KOS flag where I search people out to kill without ever interacting with them, and I feel like that's the kind of KOS some of you are advocating.

Oh ok so its not right to advocate a kos playstyle, but a freindly one is fine ?

Playing DayZ like a shooter is like driving a Dumptruck to work.

There are better shooters.

Yup, anyone who plays this game with that playstyle is obviously doing it "wrong" and should go play a different game right?

There are also better PVE games yet we never see you telling any of KOS whiners to go play them.....

Posts merged.

Edited March 8, 2014 by Inception.