Why is hardcore so underpopulated?

[PhillyT 554]

It has nothing, imho, to do with anything about how harder it is perceived to be, but rather what is realistic...3pp is not even close to being realistic from the aspect of perspective.

 

Neither is the ARMA 1PP.  It is a hair above Resident Evil 2 for the PS1.  YOu move like a battle mech from Mechwarrior 2.  

[rickyriot 1009]

It was not my intention to drag the OP's thread off-topic.

You didn't. That was me, and I shouldn't have done it. Not that there is any harm in exposing the man for being a cunt.

[Arty (DayZ) 47]

What would the world be like if CS was 3P...

[strongtent 74]

I plan on playing the game for the most part in Hardcore Servers when the game is more feature rich; to be more specific, vehicles.

 

As of now I play on Regular Servers because they are more populated and have a higher chance of player interactivity. - that and I don't mind having the best of both worlds, some people that are well in both perspectives of the game have a less difficult transition between types. I see them (the camera perspectives) as both having their negatives and positives, but I do think that if a game has more of a universal theme then that is where you will find the better community; joined together for the most part in their understanding of what they like.

 

I ultimately enjoy a more tactical challenge, a game of wits without a clear advantage; and first person will supply that for me.

Edited March 1, 2014 by Strongtent

[cels 43]

Maybe its the way that I play... But I rarely ever run into anyone in a town that it doesnt make much difference if im in first person or third...Usually the people I only ever see is out in the forests or fields running between towns.

 

I play on both normal and hardcore servers.. Dont mind either really but personally lean more towards normal...

 

Enjoy normal because it gives me a better sense of my surroundings.. Call it cheating or whatever, dont give it shit.. I dont run in cities really that it doesnt make much of a difference to me if people can look over walls and what not.. Played that way in the mod and im playing that way now.. That and I like seeing my character for some reason.. In the the mod, I dont think I wouldve ever found perfect places to hide my tents to be completely unviewable without 3rd person and such. Im sure base building is going to be just as difficult on hardcore servers to place things correctly the way i want it.

 

I would like it still if Dayz devs went with the idea of making things not visible if it isnt in line of sight so looking over walls and such with the camera view doesnt let you see anything besides the landscape.. If they can do it in a mod I dont see why Bohemia couldnt do it...

 

Probably the only reason I play hardcore servers atm is if I feel like running around electro and such. Outside of that i dont see much of whats great about hardcore servers at the moment. I kinda wish there was more to hardcore besides taking away third person. Making it things like zombies being harder(only headshots), death being easier, no silencers(suck it up and shoot better), no zooming view in first person.  Hell, give third person back to hardcore maybe even, they SHOULD be able to make things not viewable if its not in line of sight in both normal and hardcore.

 

Personally though, I dont think anyone can really be sure why hardcore servers are empty and its all just opinion.. I wonder why night time servers are empty as well but that would all just be opinion too..

 

To add, one thing that annoys me in both normal and hardcore servers is trying to loot items thats right in front of your face... That needs to be fixed

Edited February 28, 2014 by cels

[minime1000 78]

3pp is a lot easier. I wouldn't mind if the game was HC only but abusing corner peeking is too much fun so I play 3pp. If I were to choose between realistic FPS combat and arcady 3rd person view combat I would pick the latter. Pretty much a 3rd person shooter with looting. Firefights at times remind me of Gears of War or GunZ in close quarters.

Edited February 28, 2014 by myshl0ng

[Vicco 123]

One thing is clear. The 1PV crowd is the biggest bunch of crybabies on this forum.

For some reason, the "hard asses" are always crying.

If you like 1PV, nobody's stopping you. It's there for the partaking.

[Super_Duty 466]

Don't recall anything being said about crybabies...  Pretty much all fact vs. fiction.

 

One thing is clear. The 1PV crowd is the biggest bunch of crybabies on this forum.
For some reason, the "hard asses" are always crying.
If you like 1PV, nobody's stopping you. It's there for the partaking.

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

Why do I get this feeling that pro 3pp folks also bowl with the side guards up

[Super_Duty 466]

Word!

 

To add, one thing that annoys me in both normal and hardcore servers is trying to loot items that are right in front of your face... That needs to be fixed

[Super_Duty 466]

Said before by others, but I so love your signature... "Women are like bacon".

Edited February 28, 2014 by Super_Duty

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

Said before by others, but I so love your signature... "Women are like bacon".

:thumbsup:

[omgwtfbbq (DayZ) 1069]

Why do I get this feeling that pro 3pp folks also bowl with the side guards up

 

But...I bowl with the bumpers and yet I only play on hardcore servers :/

[Sickerthansars 53]

 

Ever consider that not everyone sees DayZ as a military sim? ;3

 

Shame HC does absolutely nothing to make the game more mil sim than normal. IIRC HC will eventually have harsher weather effetcs, no hiding bodies until restars along with some other features. That and of course you can't use the 3pp view to exploit and look around corners,walls etc.

[louist 163]

Shame HC does absolutely nothing to make the game more mil sim than normal. IIRC HC will eventually have harsher weather effetcs, no hiding bodies until restars along with some other features. That and of course you can't use the 3pp view to exploit and look around corners,walls etc.

It's not an exploit. Using 1PP to look through walls, though, is.

[soulfirez 901]

I disagree.  This is a difference of opinion, but 1PP players crowing about how much harder their Hardcore servers are don't understand the fact that neither is harder or more challenging than the other.  

Still banging on i see lol .

 

Ok i dont believe its that much harder it needs to be called hardcore( i have often speculated it was given such a hyped title to premote people to play it as thats how the devs play lol)

 

But lets break it down what is the difference merely perception how its presented yes...3pp and many of the people who argue its use are correct in that it gives you more situational awareness and it does you have a wider higher view with a little more peripheral view it allows more awarness of the situation, by the same token 1pp gives you less awareness. The very definition of lowering someones situational awareness makes every task they do harder..

There is no 3pp in real life well unless your using a uav lol so an example would be to take a boxer if you cover one of his eyes he has less situational awareness it makes his job harder he will adapt his fighting style to compensate for this but it doesnt change the fact it makes it harder for him .

It may not feel harder to you because as humans we adapt its in our very nature to attempt to overcome so at first look it may not seem harder thats why i have said to try tasks that are harder by nature and this then magnifies the effect of reduced situational awareness.. Again land a chopper in 1pp tell me it isnt harder back a car in 1pp tell me it isnt harder..

 

You have built an ego thing around playing 3pp and as thus will defend it even in the face of being completely wrong illogical and not applying the common sense i know you have...

 

Again unless you didnt get it last time denial its not a river in eygpt...

Edited February 28, 2014 by SoulFirez

[Esolu 320]

Remember the time Dean kept trolling the Eurogamer interviewer because he played 3PP? Yeah, it was hilarious as it sounds:

"But DayZ hardcore mode, we want to be hardcore... So one day when you grow up, maybe you can try it out!" -Dean Hall

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adi5agLSRwk=share&t=1h42m50s

Edited February 28, 2014 by Esolu

[hombrecz 832]

This dead horse is still being beaten O_o.

And yes, please make one of these threads sticky, so folks can indulge there without creating another useless topic.

[solodude23 649]

I live in the US and there always seems to be at least a few hardcore servers with a pretty high server pop. That's all I need!

Edited February 28, 2014 by solodude23

[Demoth 366]

the fact that skyrim sold a bajillion copies and dark souls didnt sell as many shows us that the majority of people like to play easier games

 

There is a bit more to it than that, honestly.

 

Skyrim had a a much bigger budget, a much bigger fan base, and it was marketed out the ass. It was also a fairly polished experience that had a strong modding community to add in a trillion things to tailor it to almost anyone's taste.

 

I loved Kings Field games, Demon's Souls and Dark Souls (looking forward to 2), but let's be honest; Dark Souls had some short comings. A lack luster ending, terrible framerate in the Plague Area, and the multiplayer was absolutely horrible when someone joined in and back stabbed you while 20 feet in front of you.

[holdt@hotmail.com 12]

Discuss? The controls are so awkward and clumsy that I'm not playing HC mode until they do something about the controls, also I feel really limited when I play HC.

I feel the quite opposite. I think the character movements and interactions feel more right in 1st.p.

[louist 163]

Still banging on i see lol .

Ok i dont believe its that much harder it needs to be called hardcore( i have often speculated it was given such a hyped title to premote people to play it as thats how the devs play lol)

But lets break it down what is the difference merely perception how its presented yes...3pp and many of the people who argue its use are correct in that it gives you more situational awareness and it does you have a wider higher view with a little more peripheral view it allows more awarness of the situation, by the same token 1pp gives you less awareness. The very definition of lowering someones situational awareness makes every task they do harder..

There is no 3pp in real life well unless your using a uav lol so an example would be to take a boxer if you cover one of his eyes he has less situational awareness it makes his job harder he will adapt his fighting style to compensate for this but it doesnt change the fact it makes it harder for him .

It may not feel harder to you because as humans we adapt its in our very nature to attempt to overcome so at first look it may not seem harder thats why i have said to try tasks that are harder by nature and this then magnifies the effect of reduced situational awareness.. Again land a chopper in 1pp tell me it isnt harder back a car in 1pp tell me it isnt harder..

You have built an ego thing around playing 3pp and as thus will defend it even in the face of being completely wrong illogical and not applying the common sense i know you have...

Again unless you didnt get it last time denial its not a river in eygpt...

I think your analogy fails to fully address the issue.

Lets begin with the premise that the only real threat to a player is another player. Zombies are essentially just a nuisance at the moment, and starvation isn't an issue people many people succumb to. Agreed?

So lets return to the boxer. Sure, covering one of his eyes will make knocking out an able bodied (able eyed?) boxer harder. But in the ring of hardcore servers, every opponent the boxer meets are also using one eye. His odds of winning are unchanged, as he is at no disadvantage against any other boxer.

That's like playing on a server where, say, the only way for one player to kill another is with a headshot. That's not easier or harder, as the "advantage" you have in PVP survivability is the same one everyone else has. And an "advantage" shared by everyone isn't, by it's very definition, an advantage at all, it's the status quo.

Once zombies become a real threat, then I can agree that hardcore's limited visibility would make it harder than 3PP. As it is, though, it's not.

[soulfirez 901]

I think your analogy fails to fully address the issue.

Lets begin with the premise that the only real threat to a player is another player. Zombies are essentially just a nuisance at the moment, and starvation isn't an issue people many people succumb to. Agreed?

So lets return to the boxer. Sure, covering one of his eyes will make knocking out an able bodied (able eyed?) boxer harder. But in the ring of hardcore servers, every opponent the boxer meets are also using one eye. His odds of winning are unchanged, as he is at no disadvantage against any other boxer.

That's like playing on a server where, say, the only way for one player to kill another is with a headshot. That's not easier or harder, as the "advantage" you have in PVP survivability is the same one everyone else has. And an "advantage" shared by everyone isn't, by it's very definition, an advantage at all, it's the status quo.

Once zombies become a real threat, then I can agree that hardcore's limited visibility would make it harder than 3PP. As it is, though, it's not.

Flawed logic..

 

Ok returning to the boxer if he fights a boxer also with 1 eye covered yes he is playing an even playing field but that doesnt change the fact his job is harder he still suffers the lesser view to protect from a knock out punch...

 

It being even doesnt change the task being harder to do ....

 

Now the advantage give in 3pp is not actually fair or even as it favours one play style over another.. The camper wins he is able to hide and view his prey with no chance of being seen the use of 3pp by the moving player does not allow him to see the camper..

 

That being said i have nothing against 3pp view i am happy the hives are seperate but your kidding yourself if you believe the difficulties to be even.. Hell even as it stands now it requires the 1pp player to move slower to avoid being detected as he cant see the area behind the cover he is about to leave it requires him to scan an area before moving off .. When it takes longer it uses more food water based on time alone so this infact makes it harder (again not much harder but still harder)..

 

Your arguement did nothing to change the facts but did strengthen the arguement to play 1pp due to a level playing field .... Harder for both makes it even but it still makes it HARDER..

Edited February 28, 2014 by SoulFirez

[Jex 1104]

- Because mouse acceleration makes first person stupid to play

- Because zoom levels are crap atm and fov is not adjusted correctly

- Because hardcore players are usually doucebags who thinks they're better because they endure current flaws of game (such as mouse acceleration and broken zoom)

- Because hardcore players think others are casual cod fanboys.

 

The zoom is broken? Do you mean that when i turn my FOV slider all the way down and then zoom in kinda thing? I hope so because that means they're going to fix it but right now it's ridiculous.

[tommes 331]

3PP:off seems to be too hard for many players...or why would they refuse to play that way? The amount of bitching about it taken into account, it must the fucking hardest thing on this planet.

It definitely is harder to go against enemies, AI or not, without the greatly and artificially enhanced tactical awareness provided by having 3PP enabled.

Btw, DayZ hardcore mode is supposed to be much more than just 3PP:off. Don't forget that!