Effective deterrent to KOS?

Irish. · March 2, 2013

Maybe it isn't an Anti-KOS thread, but it is still ..tiring.
The only necessary deterrent is more content.
Social dynamics might change when we are presented certain advantage for playing as a group or simply have more to turn on guns on than each other. We don't need to look into any sort of artificial systems to evoke any sort of penalty. What we need is a game world that is out to devour us, survival systems that are brutal and unforgiving. Rogue-like levels of difficulty and uncertainly. Really, all of these "Let's fix it" threads are completely without worth until we have seen what the community evolves into when presented with more difficult situations and heightened risk management.
Edit: Sorry your thread went tits up. You have to understand, people are tired of the subject in general.

More content? Have you not played Epoch or some of the other mods that are literally chalk full of content? Its still KOS fest, because that is exactly what this game is. More content, just equals more content. KOS is not going to be affected by anything other than limiting loot/gear and only providing cheesy bows and arrows. And even then its fists-city..

And thank you. I dont really care about the post dying.. its more my loss of respect for this community. Thats the tough part.

I thought they could handle something simple, and for what appears to be a majority that is not true.

Edited February 20, 2014 by lrish

Rudette · January 30, 2014

More content? Have you not played Epoch or some of the other mods that are literally chalk full of content? Its still KOS fest, because that is exactly what this game is. More content, just equals more content. KOS is not going to be affected by anything other than limiting loot/gear and only providing cheesy bows and arrows. And even then its fists-city..

And thank you. I dont really care about the post dying.. its more my loss of respect for this community. Thats the tough part.
I thought they could handle something simple, and for what appears to be a majority that is not true.

I see where you are coming from, but nothing in the mod was ever difficult enough. The risks you took were always small ones. Biggest threat to you were other players.

What I want, what I'm talking about an environment made 98% HATRED and 2% Water. Surviving should be the most difficult part of this game. It should be a struggle. These hunger meters, thirst bars, wetness/dampness, cold/hypothermia, disease, illness, finding medical loot, vehicles that are tough to maintain, tougher to protect from other players----All these things need to pushed from minor annoyances to completely and utterly stressful. Navigating through zombie infested cities or high density loot areas should be all but suicidal without a group. Vehicles should require intensive repairs to maintain, keeping one should be a communal effort. Things that draw people together rather than away from each other. These are things that will help.

As it stands all these things are easy to manage...They never escalated to being difficult in the mod...And they are not threatening risks in Standalone..Because Alpha...But I'm hoping in time we really get that sense of stress that is essential to the survival genre.

Edited February 20, 2014 by Rudette

Window Licker · January 5, 2014

You don't "die out of nowhere" unless someone is hacking. They are somewhere. You failed to check your surroundings and died. You certainly have every chance in the world to fight back. Don't just shamble into town and walk straight up to the hospital. Don't loot exposed roof-tops if you haven't cleared the area. Stay low and keep things in between you and hills or tall buildings.

That aside, more zombies is good. Degrading guns is not. I'm good with needing to clean them, but that isn't parts degrading. Reducing ammo and increasing zombies at the same time will have the opposite effect than you intend. It will be much more economical to one-shot a player alone, away from zombies, to loot their ammo than to waste a ton of ammo going into towns to get more ammo.

Where did you learn to swing an axe?

But seriously, your right checking the area even those with infected in them has saved me, running in yolo has killed me. One point I'd like to bring up is the planned reduction of gun spawns and increase in infected, plus an increase in improvised weapons. KoS will forever be a part of this game even after completion, wonder too close to a clan base, dead, run around like a lunatic on the airfield, dead.

Addressing KoS does not need to happen, as it's already becoming clear they are spreading loot out and forcing players to wonder far and wide in order to find sufficient supplies (as noted when running about 5hrs after restart on exp) I feel any artificial measures wouldn't help, the "Aggressor hit box" won't solve anything as the booty on a player (treasure if it's a female) will already be ruined currently, shooting someone does the same thing that your suggesting theres a good chance that all of the gear will be ruined. Either way the body might as well have despawned cos it's predominantly useless at this point.

It is my thinking that what your suggesting is pretty much already in the game.

Irish. · March 2, 2013

I see where you are coming from, but nothing in the mod was ever difficult enough. The risks you took were always small ones. Biggest threat to you were other players.
What I want, what I'm talking about an environment made 98% HATRED and 2% Water. Surviving should be the most difficult part of this game. It should be a struggle. These hunger meters, thirst bars, wetness/dampness, cold/hypothermia, disease, illness, finding medical loot, vehicles that are tough to maintain, tougher to protect from other players----All these things need to pushed from minor annoyances to completely and utterly stressful. Navigating through zombie infested cities or high density loot areas should be all but suicidal without a group. Vehicles should require intensive repairs to maintain, keeping one should be a communal effort. Things that draw people together rather than away from each other. These are things that will help.
As it stands all these things are easy to manage...They never escalated to being difficult in the mod...And they are not threatening risks in Standalone..Because Alpha...But I'm hoping in time we really get that sense of stress that is essential to the survival genre.

Well, I dont want to beat a dead horse. But there were mods that had some serious issues with survival. Like the last vanilla patches that made zombies ruthless and you got infected like 9 out of 10 times from doing anything at all. They had major population drops and almost instantly, like overnight. People hated it. They wanted to kill each other. And wanted that to be an easier and more enjoyable experience. They as a whole did not want a strict survival game. I mean look at the PvE servers that go up, dont stay up for long do they? Ive been playing this mod since it came out basically and it will always be a KOS game. If SA strays too far from that, well people will go back to the mods. Or something new.

What you want than is what I fear. A game that was born in shooter roots, becomes a mainly survival game. At that point, when managing your health is so tough that you dont want to go get in a gunfight, is the day I find a new game to play obsessively. But I completely respect your ideas and wants, its just not for me. I like the fear that KOS brings to this game, without it I would struggle to find a reason to play at all.

Chay(UK) · February 19, 2014

In my opinion that is a stupid idea and shouldn't be implemented into the game.