I wish that military gear/weapons were really rare

[Deathlove 2286]

As he said, they will be rare down the road.  I look forward to reading your follow-up "I wish that military gearspawns were less rare" thread a year from now.

 

Until then!

It will be followed up by. "I never wished i had wished that military gear spawns were so rare......." XD

[dethsupport 110]

Super rare weapons means a higher disparity amongst players. Make the mosin LRS even rarer and the people that get their hands on it will be that much more powerful than all the little woodsmen running around with a makeshift bow and a stick carved into a spear.

[TheWanderingMan 170]

Weapons/attachments seem to rare for some and not for others. You know I've got pristine magpul parts and an acog but no m4, or it'll be a pristine LRS but as soon as I find one I can never find a mosin lol.

[MangoX 10]

I wish people would read the announcments, use the search function, stop making threads to topics that are discussed 500 times and could stop war IRL.

 

But, your wish may be granted, as rocket stated, that after improvised weapons (throwing, bows, spears) are inducted, all military-stly weapons will be super-rare. They have to be common now, so that they can be tested by us, so every new weapon will spawn everywhere to make sure that enough people run around with it and try everything. As mentioned 50 times before.

 

Edit: i iz ninja :P

 

All that crying about search function is very pathetic to me.. i mean search function isnt that great. I mean... "No results found for 'military weapons'.".

 

All that crying about it instead answering to actual post or even linking the preferred threads just makes me laugh to your stupid comments..

 

"ooh im the forum god" "use the search function noobs".

 

And all that...

 

Edit: Oh yea you did actually answer it at the end.. But the crying about the search function.. Like whats wrong with you. Thats so annoying...

Edited February 19, 2014 by MangoX

[Demoth 366]

Weapons/attachments seem to rare for some and not for others. You know I've got pristine magpul parts and an acog but no m4, or it'll be a pristine LRS but as soon as I find one I can never find a mosin lol.

And then some twat will shoor me in the back and loot me and somehow get all those pristine parts that managed not to get hit. DAMN YOU DAYZ!!!!!

[soulfirez 901]

Main reason that LRS is super-rare right now, is that their primary spawn spot (tents) are bugged.

Although they already confirmed as bug/glitch, and WILL be fixed, it is not a high priority fix right now.

 

My guess is that theyre pumping resources into the whole loot/zombie respawn business (as well as related things like persistent storage etc)

not complaining i am actually quite happy there rare at the moment far less sniping to deal with.. I only use mine to scope towns before entering have a mere 2 kills down that scope( both from m4 guys opening up full auto at ranges over 200 m .. (strangely found mine in a storage shed) i look foward to beta and beyond when guns are there just not common to find everyone decked out... taking 8 days to find my LRS made it one of those oh fuck yeah moments.

 

Kinda like early in the mods days when i eventually found my first gun the marakov..

[TheWanderingMan 170]

^Didn't we used to spawn with a makorov? lol. or was it a revolver.....

[randomtask 18]

I wish people would read the announcments, use the search function, stop making threads to topics that are discussed 500 times and could stop war IRL.

 

 

Who says you have to read them?

 

I wish people would stop QQ'ing about what other people do. Your not the mod, so please don't act like one. Your rants are not needed. Just answer the thread and move on.

[LaughingJack (DayZ) 767]

All that crying about search function is very pathetic to me.. i mean search function isnt that great. I mean... "No results found for 'military weapons'.".

 

All that crying about it instead answering to actual post or even linking the preferred threads just makes me laugh to your stupid comments..

 

"ooh im the forum god" "use the search function noobs".

 

And all that...

 

Edit: Oh yea you did actually answer it at the end.. But the crying about the search function.. Like whats wrong with you. Thats so annoying...

 

 

Yeah absolutely no results for that term.

And why did I write that he might use the search function? Because every 2-3 days you can witness a nice circle here: The same topics get 2-3 threads disappear on page 3 and the whole fun starts over with the same arguments, the same discussion and the same flaming. It's like a bad version of Groundhog day...like this discussion.

 

Who says you have to read them?

 

I wish people would stop QQ'ing about what other people do. Your not the mod, so please don't act like one. Your rants are not needed. Just answer the thread and move on.

Hm. Maybe the fact I could answer his question....because I read them?

And what did you write in this thread now? Did you answer a question? Hm...no. Did you say something about the topic? Hm...no. Did you say something that hasn't said before in this thread? hm....no.

I didn't want to act like a mod, and saying he could search first and open a new thread afterwards is not a mod-only thing i thought...

And to say that you wish that people would stop QQing in a post that is...well only QQing is kinda ironic. So from your point of view it is perfectly ok to tell me what I should do and should not do, but break your own rules...yeah. And now I am QQing about you QQing that I QQed (which, in all honesty, I didn't do. I answered his question and told him that there is a search function...maybe a little bit too rude.), so the circle of QQ is finished. Here are some extra Qs for that case.

[Gerandar 212]

take away the military weapons/loot and we will just kill each other with shotguns and bows. it wont change anything.

[Valadain 270]

Remind me again how easy it is to find a long range scope again ???? Every new weapon will be as common as all hell yes for testing...

 

Have you considered that they might be using you for testing? Knock the LRS Mosin out and see how effective the range is on the SKS or Blaze? See what guns the snipers move to?

 

Wait, i shouldn't give away the secrets.

[soulfirez 901]

Have you considered that they might be using you for testing? Knock the LRS Mosin out and see how effective the range is on the SKS or Blaze? See what guns the snipers move to?

 

Wait, i shouldn't give away the secrets.

i found i was semi proficient at about 350 400 m with the sks with a pu scope good gun.. Might even stick to that when we get binocs i am one of those carefull mofos that likes to look at a town from several sides before entering ( are the zeds still there are the doors open sometimes i look at windows that are second story that look down the main road for snipers as if i was of the mindset to snipe there where i would set up...

Edited February 19, 2014 by SoulFirez

[Valadain 270]

Here's the problem I have with generally reducing guns (hopefully won't happen and they will just balance them more towards civilian style guns).

 

Melee -> Awkward in an FPS always and useless in a zombie apocalypse as imagined for this game (fast zombies in droves)

Thrown -> Completely useless and unrealistic. Learning to throw a weapon with accuracy is hard. You know what else is hard? A skull. You aren't going to kill zombies with thrown weapons light enough to carry in any quantity.

Bows or Crossbows -> Useful, good addition, but the idea of crafting them is absolutely unrealistic unless they are extremely under powered. A player with a full backpack and a helmet is going to be nearly immune to bow-fire from the back. If it is a biker helmet, any crafted bow isn't going to get a head-shot period. A professionally made bow and a direct frontal hit would probably wreck someone's day, but even a bit to either side and it will glance.

Muskets -> You aren't going to craft these. Their precision is nil. 99% of people wouldn't even know how to properly load the thing. Powder would be far harder to find than ammunition for these rifles. You can make the powder... If you happen to be or know a chemist.

[Mdogg2005 447]

 

Yeah absolutely no results for that term.

And why did I write that he might use the search function? Because every 2-3 days you can witness a nice circle here: The same topics get 2-3 threads disappear on page 3 and the whole fun starts over with the same arguments, the same discussion and the same flaming. It's like a bad version of Groundhog day...like this discussion.

 

Hm. Maybe the fact I could answer his question....because I read them?

And what did you write in this thread now? Did you answer a question? Hm...no. Did you say something about the topic? Hm...no. Did you say something that hasn't said before in this thread? hm....no.

I didn't want to act like a mod, and saying he could search first and open a new thread afterwards is not a mod-only thing i thought...

And to say that you wish that people would stop QQing in a post that is...well only QQing is kinda ironic. So from your point of view it is perfectly ok to tell me what I should do and should not do, but break your own rules...yeah. And now I am QQing about you QQing that I QQed (which, in all honesty, I didn't do. I answered his question and told him that there is a search function...maybe a little bit too rude.), so the circle of QQ is finished. Here are some extra Qs for that case.

I wish I could give you more than just 1 can of beans.

[MangoX 10]

 

Yeah absolutely no results for that term.

And why did I write that he might use the search function? Because every 2-3 days you can witness a nice circle here: The same topics get 2-3 threads disappear on page 3 and the whole fun starts over with the same arguments, the same discussion and the same flaming. It's like a bad version of Groundhog day...like this discussion.

 

Hm. Maybe the fact I could answer his question....because I read them?

And what did you write in this thread now? Did you answer a question? Hm...no. Did you say something about the topic? Hm...no. Did you say something that hasn't said before in this thread? hm....no.

I didn't want to act like a mod, and saying he could search first and open a new thread afterwards is not a mod-only thing i thought...

And to say that you wish that people would stop QQing in a post that is...well only QQing is kinda ironic. So from your point of view it is perfectly ok to tell me what I should do and should not do, but break your own rules...yeah. And now I am QQing about you QQing that I QQed (which, in all honesty, I didn't do. I answered his question and told him that there is a search function...maybe a little bit too rude.), so the circle of QQ is finished. Here are some extra Qs for that case.

 

 

Oh you did actually find some.. Anyways i blame the search function itself as it seemed to autosearch within topic which is something im not used to and didnt notice it either. However didnt bother to read rest too much text. Alltho i do like big pics...

 

:P

 

 

Edit: Also there is alot of these cryings about search function and it still doesnt work that good everytime. Given mistake was mine this time but still really isnt "google".

But yea sorry for my attitude towards your post but generally this cry thing about search function everytime everywhere annoys me.

Edited February 19, 2014 by MangoX

[napalmdog 71]

I wish people would read the announcments, use the search function, stop making threads to topics that are discussed 500 times and could stop war IRL.

 

But, your wish may be granted, as rocket stated, that after improvised weapons (throwing, bows, spears) are inducted, all military-stly weapons will be super-rare. They have to be common now, so that they can be tested by us, so every new weapon will spawn everywhere to make sure that enough people run around with it and try everything. As mentioned 50 times before.

 

Edit: i iz ninja :P

I definitely agree. A hell of a lot of threads dealing with the same things. But then again I've found this forum to be an equal amount "Hey, that's good information!" mixed with a lot of posts with answers like "No, that's not going to happen! Deal with it!" from people who are clearly not developers.

 

The best posts are the ones generally with the fewest responses, I found...

[TEST_SUBJECT_83 465]

I would prefer there being absolutely no military gear. For me, several weeks after a zombie apocalypse to find a pristine M4 and a full clip of ammo just lying on a bunk is preposterous. The odd buggered shotgun in a farmyard shed? Yes. Full military gear lying about, no chance.

 

Of course that would shit on the cornflakes of a lot of players on here who can't shake off the military simulator tag from DayZ.

 

Quote from Dean:

 

"Once improvised weapons, bow and arrow, throwing items is in – we will dramatically turn down military style weapons spawn rate. They will be incredibly rare."

 

Source:

http://www.incgamers.com/2014/01/dayz-standalones-dean-hall-answers-questions

[Cenobyte 71]

All I can say when the eventual military-gear rarity increase comes in lieu of improvised weapons....

 

Brace theyselves, the tear-filled rageposts of M4 whores are coming.

[PhillyT 554]

I military weapons are being viewed exclusively as M4/AK weapons, fine.  If we are saying most guns, then no thank you.  The whole improvised weapon idea is a bit silly.  

[Rudette 435]

I can't wait for the bows.

I will grab a green tunic, dress up like Link, and live in the woods.
I will have no dialogue aside from roaring/grunting when slashing and shooting, and sidehoping.
I will be the silent protagonist who saves the princess.. Nah.. I'll prolly just KoS her.

Also.. Go easy on the OP, guy only has what.. 5 posts? Maybe less when he started the thread? Not everyone is in the know, per say.
 

Edited February 19, 2014 by Rudette

[Demoth 366]

You realize if those weapons become rare and your left with just a bow and arrow your going to get your ass pwned when a group of guys rolls in fully geared owning the whole server right? lol

 

I would say be careful what you ask for and think through the scenarios of how this would effect game play before doing it. You DONT want another clone of Rust where a few lucky guys end up owning the whole server with guns while you have your crap make shift weapons to combat them with.

 

I don't mean to draw a comparison to another game as being indicative that it will happen here.... but....

 

I've stated it in another thread, but combat is pretty clunky in this game. Movement is also clunky. I don't want the floaty arcade-feel of Call of Duty or Battlefield here, but currently character movements and shooting can be far more jarring than they are in real life. I'm not a combat specialist, and I know that unless you're some super special forces you aren't going to be drilling everyone in the face in combat (I think accuracy in most firefights between even trained soldiers and law enforcement is like, 15% even in 25 meter fights) but it doesn't feel smooth or intuitive all the time.

 

This leads to why the M4 and even the FNX 45 is so damn powerful.... volume of fire. You can remain mobile and simply spray and pray, if you know how to do it.

 

Top that with how bullet damage / damage dispersion on items and clothing works, and you're basically forced to hit someone a LOT more than you should to drop them, so you have a lot less margin of error with guns like the SKS or Magnum, or even the Mosin.

 

Now add in improvised weapons, and lowering the rate of other guns, and you're going to end up with situations where people who do gear up are going to be goddam unstoppable. Even now, the only way to really take down a competent geared player is to also get geared.

 

Now to my feelings of how this could result in what happened in another game. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM BITING MY HEAD OFF

 

I played WoW when it launched and up until Molten Core came out. I didn't have time to raid, so I left simply because I started to get stomped in PvP by people who normally did not give me problem. The issue was gear. People who had the time commitment and support of a guild to raid got gear that basically doubled their health, doubled their damage, and gave them 75% damage mitigation over people who could not. I am told that this was changed further down the road, but it did get very tiring when a guild would join into a PVP fight and 5 of them would basically decimate a much larger force because they had items that had incredibly low drop rates.

 

I get that the difference here is that there are no real stats in DayZ. Just because you have an M4 doesn't mean a more skilled player won't just zig zag up to you while you fire from the hip and then punch you out and steal your gun. But not everyone is that bad, and I really don't want this to turn into a game where 99 people are all struggling to make rags and twig bows while some dude is lurking the hills with the one sniper rifle that spawned in the last week, blowing everyone away. Sure, THAT guy gets to have a ton of fun, but the rest of us have to eat shit?

 

I should also say that, again, I'm not claiming this is how the game will go or how it is now. It's just always that creeping fear in the back of my mind.

[Wheunis 228]

 Sure, THAT guy gets to have a ton of fun, but the rest of us have to eat shit?

 

 

Speaking as "that guy"...

 

You don't have to "eat shit".

I would however recommend a rigorous training regime focussed mainly on stamina and endurace.

 

Just remember, you don't have to outrun the lion; You only have to outrun somebody else... and trip them...

 

 

edit-in-afterwards: Seriously, they should add that feature - tripping someone... If I had to see that unfold through my scope, I would be laughing too damn hard to actually pull the trigger a second time.

Edited February 19, 2014 by Wheunis

[ramatakahn 38]

For me, several weeks after a zombie apocalypse to find a pristine M4 and a full clip of ammo just lying on a bunk is preposterous. Full military gear lying about, no chance.

 

 

 

You have no idea what it would be like.

[PhillyT 554]

Honestly, there might be 100 people in the US who cold make a potentially deadly bow out of found wilderness materials.  This whole bow thing is just silly.  A little too much like Rust for my liking.

[hellcat420 212]

Honestly, there might be 100 people in the US who cold make a potentially deadly bow out of found wilderness materials.  This whole bow thing is just silly.  A little too much like Rust for my liking.

making a deadly bow is not that hard. the difficult part for most people would be making the arrows that are worth a damn.

Edited February 19, 2014 by hellcat420