1st person only or 3rd person?

[Max Planck 7174]

Yes 1PP is named hardcore but in my opinion it is easy mode. If you are a decent player you can go about days without being seen. Plus the majority of 1PP servers are 30 players max. I know since I have played a lot of 1PP and decided not to due to lack of choice servers in my timezones.

 

3PP is much more dangerous then 1PP. If you deny it, then please state your reasons. I want to have a good discussion.

 

Also it's funny for me because the ones vocal about 3PP[saying it's for noobs, kids, glitchers, wimps, etc] are actually the wimps themselves in my view[not everyone that plays 1PP just the ones that whine and bash]. Cause yeah 3PP is harder than 1PP.

 

Merged.

[Hethwill_Khan 233]

3PP you can rambo more easy than 1PP, especially with the M4. Spray and pray :)

 

1PP you are way more accurate from the waist.

 

3PP you have a definite spotting benefit while keeping in cover.

 

1PP you have to pay attention with no angles around and over obstacles.

 

3PP is definitely more action packed, more cinematic to a degree.

 

Teamwork works on both, but shines way more on 1PP. Fire fights are perhaps more durable but the casualties difference tell a big story. A good tac team seldom has casualties even against equal numbers or against the odds.

 

I like both, but favour 1PP for myself. Have a perfect hardware and camera angles to make use of it to the fullest.

[Nicko2580 398]

 

 

3PP is much more dangerous then 1PP. If you deny it, then please state your reasons. I want to have a good discussion.

 

In what universe? 

Scenario - you're crouching in the bushes and you hear someone close by. 

1PP - you can only see what's in front of you. You have to move, risk being heard or seen, to find the other person.

3PP - you can see everything around you except for directly behind you. All you have to do is pan the camera around to get a full view of the area. 

3PP provides you an advantage that you could never really have and is no way harder than 1PP. The only part that would be harder is shooting in 3PP vs shooting in 1PP.

[mercules 1290]

In what universe? 

Scenario - you're crouching in the bushes and you hear someone close by. 

1PP - you can only see what's in front of you. You have to move, risk being heard or seen, to find the other person.

3PP - you can see everything around you except for directly behind you. All you have to do is pan the camera around to get a full view of the area. 

3PP provides you an advantage that you could never really have and is no way harder than 1PP. The only part that would be harder is shooting in 3PP vs shooting in 1PP.

 

 

What he is attempting to pass off as more difficult is that you have to dodge all the people camping and popping out to shoot at you because they can hide and use 3PP to see everything without being exposed. So since you can be shot with no real way of taking reasonable precautions against it, that mode is apparently more difficult. Kinda like saying playing a slot machine is more difficult than playing poker.

[Nicko2580 398]

Kinda like saying playing a slot machine is more difficult than playing poker.

Hah, totally. Well said. Have my beans.

[Kaw 23]

Personally I prefer 1st person. However finding high pop severs can be evil, so I switch back and forth.

[Nocturnal (DayZ) 85]

I play a good mix of the two.

 

Mainly 3PP with a large group as that is the clan server and it's seemingly what most people want to play. A few of us really like 1PP though and we have played a lot of that. My 'solo' character is on a Hardcore server too.

 

The main difference I've noticed between the two is in respect of combat/PVP. Squad firefights in 3PP are usually just camp fests; you don't need to come out of cover when you have an invisible periscope. No risk - all the rewards. 1PP combat has a far quicker pace and relies a lot more on positioning, awareness and movement. Definitely a higher skill gap for PVP on first person. It's like playing two different games.

 

Having said that, I love the set up Bohemia have now. Regular & Hardcore. Everyone's happy.

[crazyandlazy 376]

In what universe? 

Scenario - you're crouching in the bushes and you hear someone close by. 

1PP - you can only see what's in front of you. You have to move, risk being heard or seen, to find the other person.

3PP - you can see everything around you except for directly behind you. All you have to do is pan the camera around to get a full view of the area. 

3PP provides you an advantage that you could never really have and is no way harder than 1PP. The only part that would be harder is shooting in 3PP vs shooting in 1PP.

 

1PP requires you to actually learn how to properly scout and properly camoflouge. After that one little step, it is so easy to breeze through Electro because let's face it most players don't put too much effort into scouting/sneaking and having patience.

 

Whereas in 3PP all you would need to learn is muscle memory of clicking free look button rotating your mouse in a way to see your surroundings. The learning takes less time and everyone else and their mothers does it. Thus you have to be extra cautious in 3PP.

 

In other words, it's easier for people to spot you in 3PP, hence it is much harder to play in 3PP. Not the other way around.

[mercules 1290]

1PP requires you to actually learn how to properly scout and properly camoflouge. After that one little step, it is so easy to breeze through Electro because let's face it most players don't put too much effort into scouting/sneaking and having patience.

 

Whereas in 3PP all you would need to learn is muscle memory of clicking free look button rotating your mouse in a way to see your surroundings. The learning takes less time and everyone else and their mothers does it. Thus you have to be extra cautious in 3PP.

 

In other words, it's easier for people to spot you in 3PP, hence it is much harder to play in 3PP. Not the other way around.

 

 

Did you just making an argument that because something is easier it's actually harder?  :huh: I think my eye is starting to twitch. 

[BadAsh (DayZ) 1513]

3PP is much more dangerous then 1PP. If you deny it, then please state your reasons. I want to have a good discussion.

 

It doesn't work that way. Since you are the one that claims 3PP is "much more dangerous" than 1PP, I think you need to state your reasons and how you came to such an absurd conclusion first.

[crazyandlazy 376]

Did you just making an argument that because something is easier it's actually harder?  :huh: I think my eye is starting to twitch. 

 

Are you always this thick?

 

Think of it this way. You are in Electro and there are 10 players camping in various positions in the town. They are all using their 3PP free look and scanning 360, 180, heck the whole spectrum. That's 10 sets of eyes covering a wide range of area of the city! They may not be pros or even decent players for that matter but they can stay in one position for a long duration because of 3PP and will not feel the need to move from their spot. Not to mention if they are in a group you will be up against more than one set of eyes trained at your direction if one spots you. The thing to note is the easy power 3PP grants the player and the danger/difficulty that arise when there are more sets of 3PP eyes trained in your direction.

 

In 1PP, you can't sit and camp cause your view is limited. You have to move around.

 

Understand?

 

Let me dumb it down further. Assume, 3PP is a motion camera that can move around by itself and is placed at a high spot. 1PP is the manual camera that you hold in your hands. In 3PP you are up against lots of motion cameras placed in good spots.

Edited February 18, 2014 by CrazyandLazy

[Nicko2580 398]

Are you always this thick?

 

Think of it this way. You are in Electro and there are 10 players camping in various positions in the town. They are all using their 3PP free look and scanning 360, 180, heck the whole spectrum. That's 10 sets of eyes covering a wide range of area of the city! They may not be pros or even decent players for that matter but they can stay in one position for a long duration because of 3PP and will not feel the need to move from their spot. Not to mention if they are in a group you will be up against more than one set of eyes trained at your direction if one spots you. The thing to note is the easy power 3PP grants the player and the danger/difficulty that arise when there are more sets of 3PP eyes trained in your direction.

 

In 1PP, you can't sit and xamp cause your view is limited. You have to move around.

 

Your logic is entirely and completely backwards. You're last sentence entirely negates the entire paragraph above it.

The only people it's harder for are the people on that server who limit themselves to 1pp vs people using 3pp. Everyone else has the advantage over any player than wants to use 1pp, like myself. 

3pp servers are far, far easier for the precise reasons you listed in your paragraph. That's why regular servers are not called Hardcore servers.

[fitzee 248]

In 1PP, you can't sit and camp cause your view is limited.

 

Which is exactly why 1PP is the harder option.

 

I get what your saying, 3PP is harder when your the target, because your essentially playing against a bunch of people with wall hacks. But still, your logic is flawed, 1PP is the mode that actually requires some skill and tactical awareness.

 

Please just stop with this useless trolling.

 

Regards.

[crazyandlazy 376]

Your logic is entirely and completely backwards. You're last sentence entirely negates the entire paragraph above it.

The only people it's harder for are the people on that server who limit themselves to 1pp vs people using 3pp. Everyone else has the advantage over any player than wants to use 1pp, like myself. 

3pp servers are far, far easier for the precise reasons you listed in your paragraph. That's why regular servers are not called Hardcore servers.

 

No. 3PP servers are far harder to play in.

 

Answer me this. Your goal is to go into Vybor and loot. Let's say for conversation sake, there are 15 campers placed in good spots. Which is more dangerous given this same scenario? 1PP or 3PP. If you say 1PP you are really really really dense.

[Martmital 436]

Take away my magical eye and I'll still play 3PP...  I just prefer it.

[Nicko2580 398]

No. 3PP servers are far harder to play in.

 

Answer me this. Your goal is to go into Vybor and loot. Let's say for conversation sake, there are 15 campers placed in good spots. Which is more dangerous given this same scenario? 1PP or 3PP. If you say 1PP you are really really really dense.

Let me lay this out for you -

I can use 3pp as well, making it no more dangerous than it is for anyone else on the server. I can spot people over walls and around corners and behind doorways and under stairs. The only person it's harder for is the person using 1pp. Everyone using 3pp is on easy mode.

 

1PP I can't do ANY of that. I have to rely on listening, waiting, scouting, watching, moving slowly, stealth. On an all 1pp server, the skill and danger level is through the roof compare to 3pp. I can't just fucking look around a doorway or over a wall and see if there's anyone there like a cheap ass. 

Far more dangerous when you have no idea where anyone is. Death can be around every corner because you can't just cheat to check if someone is there.

If you don't get that, your density level is approaching Neutron Star.

 

Edited February 18, 2014 by Nicko2580

[mercules 1290]

No. 3PP servers are far harder to play in.

 

Answer me this. Your goal is to go into Vybor and loot. Let's say for conversation sake, there are 15 campers placed in good spots. Which is more dangerous given this same scenario? 1PP or 3PP. If you say 1PP you are really really really dense.

Yes, I get that. For that 1 person it is harder. For the 15 it is ten times easier because they don't have to expose themselves. Net return, easier over all. 

[minime1000 78]

I would have preferred if they only had first person view from the very get go. Now they have to balance the game for 2 different gamemodes. They tried to please everyone, even the ones that really do not like the hardcore aspect of the game, and now you can see how even more casual things are suggested.

 

I myself play both but abuse the hell out of 3rd person view when possible. It is just too easy to KOS whole groups from distance with corner peeking.

 

3rd person survival simulator is an oxymoron.

Edited February 18, 2014 by myshl0ng

[Nicko2580 398]

I would have preferred if they only had first person view from the very get go. 

 

Same. They've made this amazing game with a great atmosphere and is one of the most immersive games I've played for a while and then you just hit 'Enter' and annihilate any semblance of the 'authenticity' the devs keep talking about with a magic, corner-peeking eye-in-the-sky. So crap.

Edited February 18, 2014 by Nicko2580

[dsi24 227]

DayZ is gonna be a sad joke until it's first person only.

 

"Hey dude check out this third person survival simulator!"

 

hah!

[crazyandlazy 376]

actually requires some skill and tactical awareness.

 

 

 

Yes but it isn't as huge as you guys would like to make it seem. The only rule people have to learn when playing 1PP is that you have to have "more" patience. That's it. Everything else is the same and after learning that it is such a breeze and should't be labeled "hardcore". Hardcore should have more restrictions like not having unlimited sprint.

 

 

On an all 1pp server, the skill and danger level is through the roof compare to 3pp. I can't just fucking look around a doorway or over a wall and see if there's anyone there like a cheap ass. 

Far more dangerous when you have no idea where anyone is. Death can be around every corner because you can't just cheat to check if someone is there.

If you don't get that, your density level is approaching Neutron Star.

 

 

Through the roof. hahaha. I am sorry but please see above post.

 

You guys are so elitist to Hardcore that you can't comprehend what I am trying to say. Take this picture I made.

 

 

3 campers. One rectangle represents one camper. Left 3 rectangles represent FOV of 3 campers in 3PP. The right is 1PP. Which is harder to pass through the middle?

 

Enemy spotting you is so easy in 3PP that no matter how big of a group you are in, you may get more casualties. 1PP not so much, if you have learned the simple rule of patience.

Edited February 18, 2014 by CrazyandLazy

[Nicko2580 398]

Yes but it isn't as huge as you guys would like to make it seem. The only rule people have to learn when playing 1PP is that you have to have "more" patience. That's it. Everything else is the same and after learning that it is such a breeze and should't be labeled "hardcore". Hardcore should have more restrictions like not having unlimited sprint.

 

 

 

Through the roof. hahaha. I am sorry but please see above post.

 

You guys are so elitist to Hardcore that you can't comprehend what I am trying to say. Take this picture I made.

 

 

3 campers. One rectangle represents one camper. Left 3 rectangles represent FOV of 3 campers in 3PP. The right is 1PP. Which is harder to pass through the middle?

 

Spotting is so easy in 3PP that no matter how big of a group you are in, you may get more casualties. 1PP not so much, if you have learned the simple rule of patience.

Your picture illustrates exactly why 3pp is easy mode.

And guess what - the fourth square approaching the 3 campers has a vision radius the same as the 3 campers making it quite easy to spot them and avoid or engage them.

 

Edited February 18, 2014 by Nicko2580

[crazyandlazy 376]

Your picture illustrates exactly why 3pp is easy mode.

And guess what - the fourth square approaching the 3 campers has a vision radius the same as the 3 campers making it quite easy to spot them and avoid or engage them.

 

 

No. The fourth square with same vision radius cannot spot people inside buildings. In 3PP people can be ducking their head downs unseen behind a wall under a window leaning into the wall and spotting you. They spot you out way faster than you finding them due to 3PP.

 

This game is all about first cotact. If you are the first to see, you have higher chance to survive.

 

You guys are so dense it's unbelievable. Campers are harder to pass through in 3PP compared to 1PP. How hard is to grasp this simple concept?

[mercules 1290]

Yes but it isn't as huge as you guys would like to make it seem. The only rule people have to learn when playing 1PP is that you have to have "more" patience. That's it. Everything else is the same and after learning that it is such a breeze and should't be labeled "hardcore". Hardcore should have more restrictions like not having unlimited sprint.

 

That certainly isn't true.

In 3PP 2 players engage. Both find cover. They then sit in cover until the other one leaves cover then they pop up and shoot the other one. That is how the combat goes. If you are lucky you can retreat behind cover in a way that you can then circle around and shoot them from an unexpected angle, BUT this requires that you have cover that you can move directly away from. 

In 1PP 2 players engage. Both find cover. Now each in turn has to consider trying to keep eyes on the other. You don't want to sit in cover because doing so means your opponent can move to a different location and either flank you or shoot you as you come out of cover from an unexpected area. Of course if you peek out you run the risk of catching a bullet. So do you duck into the cover, or half in, or what? What if you ducked in and your opponent just posted and is now aiming at your cover ready to shoot as you emerge? Then again how long can he sit there exposed and watch that spot and what if you have long cover like a low wall where you could shift down the wall in cover and then pop up over there? What if he starts to use suppressing fire? Bullets pinging off your cover or right over your head can certainly convince you to stay in it and meanwhile he could shift over to a different angle. Since you can't magically see where he is you can't tell if your cover is about to be negated but if you peek you might be hit. This is especially true when it is group on group where one of them might be flanking you while one of the others pops shots into and around your cover. 

It is REALLY easy to negate covering fire in 3PP because you can see them moving and just shift to remain in cover. 

[Nicko2580 398]

No. The fourth square with same vision radius cannot spot people inside buildings. In 3PP people can be ducking their head downs unseen behind a wall under a window leaning into the wall and spotting you. They spot you out way faster than you finding them due to 3PP.

 

This game is all about first cotact. If you are the first to see, you have higher chance to survive.

 

You guys are so dense it's unbelievable. Campers are harder to pass through in 3PP compared to 1PP. How hard is to grasp this simple concept?

Oh so like I said - easy mode. 

Your argument is - "It's easier to see in 3pp therefore it's harder to play on a 3pp server."

No. It's easier to kill people cheaply on a 3pp server. It's far harder to play and be good at the game in 1pp.