More Britishness

[ElEric 7]

Right, well then. I'm guessing a lot of people will assume that I will be suggesting that things such as tea, moustaches and top hats should be added - and you will be wrong. 

 

My thinking is that with the current assault vests - DPM, Khaki, Olive, etc, is that why are these in the game, when the rest of the military intervention is American? (If I'm missing something, I didn't play much of the mod, nor Arma II). 
However, I am aware of the L85 that was in the mod, with the silly holographic sight, and the equally silly AWS sight. Essentially, my first suggestion is that more British Army items should be implemented alongside the assault vests - including a proper SA80. It could also be just as customisable as the M4 - whether it be using the iron sights or a proper SUSAT scope, or using the alternate rails allowing for the foregrip (which doubles as a bipod). It could possibly include a different, longer barrel - or the L86 could be seperately integrated as an LMG.

 

This suggestion isn't just about the SA80, however, as other people have already mentioned this. My thinking is that more camoflauge could be added alongside it - at the very least khaki, olive and DPM uniforms, and perhaps berets. Also, the use of a smock - I don't know who actually uses them, but they are essentially just a coat to go over the camo shirts for colder weather - and have more pockets. On a whole, I think webbing is a must-have addition, with it being positioned under any backpack the player would currently be equipping, and most likely having the same storage as an assault vest. 
Apparently Mess Tins are being implemented, and with this there could also be ration packs found amongst military loot. I'd picture this as a box, just like the first aid kit, containing the seperate meals, and things such as water purification tablets, energy tabs, as well as smaller luxuries like tea (Fine, I do want it added.) and coffee. 

 

Also, if I'm getting really pedantic, I would like it so that a pistol could not be stored in the assault vest. I don't know if it is just me, but it really doesn't look like there is much room for one. I've seen suggestions for leg holsters - maybe they would just work like the chest holster, but with the possibility for one on both leg. (Not allowing you to dual wield, but to carry two pistols - if you can find two holsters, that is.) 

 

 

Most likely this seems like rambling, so I'll try to sum it up:
L85

L86
SUSAT Scope

DPM/MTP uniforms, webbing, assault vest, bags, smocks

Ration packs - heatable meals, puritabs, small one/two time use stove, tea, coffee, etc

Leg holsters

 

Of course almost all of it would be military grade loot - perhaps the contents of the rat packs could be found seperately

 

Loot would (if it can be) confined to select areas - possibly just heli crash sites? Those sites would be rare by their own right, and the loot that spawns would be even rarer

Edited February 14, 2014 by EricT803

[OrLoK 16185]

Hello There

 

Personally, Id rather see very little western kit in game and more "Eastern Block" equipment.

 

Unless the story heavily involves western intervention I just dont see the reason why it would be available. Even the M4 feels OOP to me.

 

Now, in Arma2 and 3 I want to get my hands on as much UK gear as possible :)

 

Rgds

 

LoK

[ElEric 7]

I see where you're coming from with that. I've got really mixed feelings over it - I'd rather see the Eastern Bloc equipment massively abundant compared to everything else, however it would be nice to have that little bit of home added in. I'm sure most of my suggestions, such as the holsters, webbing etc, would work for the Russian camo counterparts, but I've just never encountered TTsKO outside of the two items in DayZ. 

(Super rare British/American gear in downed Chinooks/Hueys/Blackbirds could work)

[irishroy 1347]

 

 

Edited February 14, 2014 by irishroy

[majo 23]

I do not like the idea.

I rather like to see all russian stuff than any western stuff.

[Dchil 829]

If there's two things used by the british that i'd like to see added then it would be the Browning Hi power and the .455 Webely. 

 

 

EDIT for clarification by Browning Hi power i mean the 13rd, 9mm semi auto pistol used by everyone from here to timbuktoo and not the Ma Duce.

Edited February 14, 2014 by Dchil

[Atom Quark 437]

Browning Hi power

:thumbsup:

[Jezza93 44]

Personally I'd like to see British equipment quite rare and only spawning at one,two helicopter crash sites. I'd like to see Russian at NEAF and American at NWAF and CDF at the military bases.

[Martmital 436]

Needs moar tea...

[irishroy 1347]

Needs moar tea...

Edited February 14, 2014 by irishroy

[carcinovich 156]

Jolly good idea, chap

 

On a side note, I read your entire post in a british accent

[ElEric 7]

Jolly good idea, chap

 

On a side note, I read your entire post in a british accent

 

Seeing as though I both speak and think with one, I guess that is fitting.

 

Personally I'd like to see British equipment quite rare and only spawning at one,two helicopter crash sites. I'd like to see Russian at NEAF and American at NWAF and CDF at the military bases.

 

Going from what the others said, about needing more local, Eastern Bloc gear, I completely agree with this. It would be pretty cool if deceased bodies spawned around the wrecks as if they were survivors that had been killed. Obviously, this would mean damaged gear, to an extent.

 

If there's two things used by the british that i'd like to see added then it would be the Browning Hi power and the .455 Webely. 

 

 

EDIT for clarification by Browning Hi power i mean the 13rd, 9mm semi auto pistol used by everyone from here to timbuktoo and not the Ma Duce.

 

That did get me at first, and I completely forgot about the pistol. It never really shows up in vidya games so I've paid little to no attention to it. Obviously, it would share a "faction" loot spawn - popping up with other British gear, just as how American gear could only show up in American outposts, etc. 

Edited February 14, 2014 by EricT803

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Browning Hi-Power? Yes. SA80/L85A1/A2? No. 

The only reason people use American intervention as a reason for western equipment appearing is through ArmA 2 canon where the U.S. invaded Chernarus in midst of the civil war, and evidently some U.S. equipment got captured or lost only to find new use post-apocalypse. The UK only provided support to Takistan through canon, and the section of Chernarus we play in is not anywhere near the border to Takistan. 

Granted, that's just through ArmA canon, so we don't know whether it is DayZ canon, as well as the divergence point (I.E. where DayZ's own historical canon comes into play)

I dunno, I think that weapons like the FN FAL, G3 and HK-416 would be more common than the SA80 series, so I'd rather them do those first, but before those some AK variants and before those civilian guns/crossbows/bows/other improvised weapons.

Edited February 14, 2014 by Chaingunfighter

[Martmital 436]

 

That would cut out the KoSing...

[ElEric 7]

I dunno, I think that weapons like the FN FAL, G3 and HK-416 would be more common than the SA80 series, so I'd rather them do those first, but before those some AK variants and before those civilian guns/crossbows/bows/other improvised weapons.

 

Of course, the improvised, civilian and the Russian weapons would come first, that goes without saying. Of course, it's all still in Alpha, so I wouldn't expect, or want, any ideas I would have to be priority - mainly looking for a "This seems like a good idea" or "I don't really like this, here is why:"

 

Then again, you did exactly that. Can I ask though, why would the Hi-power make it through, rather than any assault rifles? Canon says there wouldn't be any British troops around to lose their gear, so if it was captured closer to the borders, wouldn't the rifles be lost too?

[OrLoK 16185]

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Dont take the pith...

[Pvt_Larry (DayZ) 98]

Obviously Russian/Soviet style equipment should be rather abundant, but seeing as there's always been alot of US/Western equipment involved in Dayz there should be some available as well, albeit rarer.

 

Here's the way I see it: When the infection began to spread Chernorusian forces tried to contain the situation on their own, and acepted Russian military intervention. As the situation spiraled out of control, NATO troops also began to deploy, but this was largely limited to special forces groups and USMC detachments. Hence, western weapons and equipment are present, but centered around a few aircraft wrecks and scattered bases.

[Draco122 412]

The Browning Hi-Power I can agree with as a weapon for the game, while not completely "western" (the Hi-Power was originally made by FN Herstal, Belgium) I believe the Hi-Power can be a decent weapon to be found in Police Stations.

 

But largely I believe we should focus primarily on the British equipment as opposed to weapons.

 

For example, the classic British Army Yoke is a personal load carrying equipment which can have pouches added on for additional storage. I believe that the Yoke should be added as a standalone piece of kit, and additional pouches can be added accordingly upto a maximum of 10 pouches. Each pouch would vary on space and some are made specifically for certain items (a first aid pouch holds first aid items, a utility pouch holds utility items etc)

[a_ruttle 199]

The last thing this game needs is more military weapons like the L85, they should stick to CDF weaponry etc and make that rare as golden cat balls, moustaches and top hats however....

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Of course, the improvised, civilian and the Russian weapons would come first, that goes without saying. Of course, it's all still in Alpha, so I wouldn't expect, or want, any ideas I would have to be priority - mainly looking for a "This seems like a good idea" or "I don't really like this, here is why:"

 

Then again, you did exactly that. Can I ask though, why would the Hi-power make it through, rather than any assault rifles? Canon says there wouldn't be any British troops around to lose their gear, so if it was captured closer to the borders, wouldn't the rifles be lost too?

 

The Browning Hi-Power is a common civilian pistol. I wasn't actually talking about the L9A1, but the actual Hi-Power pistol. It is used somewhat reasonably internationally (Similar to the 1911) so I think it makes sense.

The L85 just isn't common outside of the UK, and there are better and more common 5.56 rifles to be implemented.

Edited February 14, 2014 by Chaingunfighter

[ElEric 7]

 

The Browning Hi-Power is a common civilian pistol. I wasn't actually talking about the L9A1, but the actual Hi-Power pistol. It is used somewhat reasonably internationally (Similar to the 1911) so I think it makes sense.

 

I did not know that. I guess, you learn something new every day. Also, what do you mean when you say "better" 5.56 rifles!? If I ever find you in game, I won't be sharing my tea...or bullets, actually. You'd get me first. 

[gregor (DayZ) 95]

Before WWII Lithuania and Estonia had contracts with FN and both bought thousands of HI-Power pistols. Though the wartime and later wasn't good for keeping them...

Edited February 14, 2014 by gregor

[Dchil 829]

Germans took over the factory which made BHPs in WW2. Thus in the trenches of the western front you could have a british officer with a BHP shooting it out with a german officer with them both using BHPs. It isn't implausible that some made it to the chernarus area or that afterwards that their police picked it up as a service weapon.

 

The BHP is a very popular pistol, just about every commonwealth country uses or used it as their service pistol and how likely is it that the Americans roped us aussies into chernarus' civil war? Pretty f*cking likely.

[-Gews- 7443]

Hi-Power sure L9A1 no SA80 family no.

[Dchil 829]

Hi-Power sure L9A1 no SA80 family no.

Difference between L9A1 and a MK3 BHP, negligable. The MK3 should feed HP rounds easier than the L9, the L9 might have tougher sights and the Mk3 uses a ambi-safety but that's about it.

Edited February 15, 2014 by Dchil