More Effective, Less Frustrating, Hopper/Logger Solution

[Solopopo 330]

WOW another flaw of mine i just have to chip in. Its fine the whole thread stopped taking you serious from the first post, a more effective, less frustrating hopper solution by  a server hopper which infact makes it easier to do both combat log and server hop.

 

Priceless mate trully your good at making not so witty come backs but not so good at debating or making a solid idea in the first place. Honestly at this point if i bag a ban but i manage to get you to leave this community your so disgusted with ( again a exploiter who is standing by an idea that fits his exploiting game style) it will be worth it.

 

A suitable reply to your original post would have just been to say NO. your frustrated by thye system maybe its working better on server hoppers than i believed cause your frustrated.... Again its primary intent was to stop combat log and ghosting..

 

As the saying goes in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king...

I'm not reading this. I'm not reading anything else you write. Other people have actual input to contribute. 

[Solopopo 330]

All i get from your post op is that you're mad because you can't serverhop as well as before... So... No to your proposals.

I'm not mad, because I can still hop. I'm doing it right now. That's why I posted this. And also because I think the combat log out system doesn't always work, which bothers me. It works because players think it does, but about 1 out of every 4 times I try to do it I am successful in getting away.

 

Now before anyone goes "OMG NO SENSE U COMBAT LOG!" There is only one way to find out if these things work correctly. I do what the game allows for, and I will always play that way, and if I see something that doesn't seem right I'm going to post about it. That is why we are all in this alpha to begin with, and also why I truly have become upset about some of the reactions I've gotten here. 

Edited February 13, 2014 by Solopopo

[soulfirez 901]

I'm not reading this. I'm not reading anything else you write. Other people have actual input to contribute. 

No not really what i see is people pointing out how flawed you are..

[Mdogg2005 447]

I server hop because I can. I don't want to be able to. I don't want anyone to be able to.. But I will if it's possible, and so will others. How does that discredit logic in any way?

Lol you're one of those.  "I do it because I can.  Therefore it's ok." 

 

Scum.

[pinealogik 3]

The only people who bitch and moan about this system are server hopper and combat logger. Really. That's what it is. Normal player will never get it by the timer, ever. So nice try op, but no. It's perfectly fine.

[Solopopo 330]

Lol you're one of those.  "I do it because I can.  Therefore it's ok." 

 

Scum.

This is Alpha. I feel obligated to exploit the game in whatever way possible, without cheating/hacking. That is our job as alpha testers: to make a problem prevalent until it recieves enough attention to be changed. And in the mean time I can benefit from that  :D You don't have to, that's your choice, but maintaining some lofty notion of gaming honor just doesn't seem worthwile to me, especially in the unforgiving world of DayZ

Edited February 13, 2014 by Solopopo

[doctorbadsign 645]

Excuse #3

Now before anyone goes "OMG NO SENSE U COMBAT LOG!" There is only one way to find out if these things work correctly. I do what the game allows for, and I will always play that way, and if I see something that doesn't seem right I'm going to post about it. That is why we are all in this alpha to begin with, and also why I truly have become upset about some of the reactions I've gotten here. 

 

Excuse #2

I certainly am. I'll put it in my sig if you'd like :D . But I don't like the idea because I server hop between high pop servers looking for action after I get full gear. But even if I didn't do that, I wouldn't like the idea. I love the way the public hive works. I love that I can switch between servers with all my stuff, even if I am just doing it from one play session to the next. It just makes it mean more somehow, that your gear isn't isolated on one little private server. 

 

Excuse #1

I server hop because I can. I don't want to be able to. I don't want anyone to be able to.. But I will if it's possible, and so will others. How does that discredit logic in any way?

 

 

OP at least try being consistent in your excuses.

[Solopopo 330]

Excuse #3

 

Excuse #2

 

Excuse #1

 

 

OP at least try being consistent in your excuses.

That looks to me like a perfect example of consistence. I am an unapologetic server hopper who hopes that one day server hopping won't be possible, because it will be good for the game in the long run, and I express that in one way or another in each post. Please elaborate. How is that not consistent?

 

Everyone seems to get hung up on this "I server hop/ combat log thing." Is it a conflict of interest thing? You guys can't possibly conceive of how I am a server hopper that doesn't like server hopping? Pleaseeeeee explain, cause it's getting tiresome. 

Edited February 13, 2014 by Solopopo

[doctorbadsign 645]

That looks to me like a perfect example of consistence. I am an unapologetic server hopper who hopes that one day it won't be possible, because it will be good for the game in the long run. Please elaborate. 

 

Firstly you say you do it because you can, secondly because you are looking for action, thirdly you pull the altruistic "I'm testing the game" bullshit. Neither of those excuses are the same.

 

How many times do you need to test it to see if you can still do it? Bearing in mind any changes of that nature will be mentioned in patch notes. 

 

Do you also glitch through walls and kill people because you can and because you want to test the game?

 

I could understand doing it once to test if the timer worked, but why continue to do so?

 

This whole "I'm testing the game" excuse is bull. You're not testing the game, you just want an excuse that doesn't make you sound like a server hopping scumbag.

[soulfirez 901]

That looks to me like a perfect example of consistence. I am an unapologetic server hopper who hopes that one day server hopping won't be possible, because it will be good for the game in the long run, and I express that in one way or another in each post. Please elaborate. How is that not consistent?

 

Everyone seems to get hung up on this "I server hop/ combat log thing." Is it a conflict of interest thing? You guys can't possibly conceive of how I am a server hopper that doesn't like server hopping? Pleaseeeeee explain, cause it's getting tiresome. 

If you cant see what he has already shown you then why should he continue when your unwilling to see...

[doctorbadsign 645]

 

Everyone seems to get hung up on this "I server hop/ combat log thing." Is it a conflict of interest thing? You guys can't possibly conceive of how I am a server hopper that doesn't like server hopping? Pleaseeeeee explain, cause it's getting tiresome. 

 

Simple, because most people don't do things that they don't like.

 

So in other words you're talking shit.

[Solopopo 330]

Firstly you say you do it because you can, secondly because you are looking for action, thirdly you pull the altruistic "I'm testing the game" bullshit. Neither of those excuses are the same.

 

How many times do you need to test it to see if you can still do it? Bearing in mind any changes of that nature will be mentioned in patch notes. 

 

Do you also glitch through walls and kill people because you can and because you want to test the game?

 

I could understand doing it once to test if the timer worked, but why continue to do so?

 

This whole "I'm testing the game" excuse is bull. You're not testing the game, you just want an excuse that doesn't make you sound like a server hopping scumbag.

Is it not possible that all of those "excuses" are true at the same time? I can do it, therefore I do. I also server hop to find action, not only to find items, and while doing these two things I keep in mind that it is an exploit that I should report on. 

 

This is exactly what is happening in this thread (and this isn't meant towards you specifically BadSign).The majority of people on this forum can't cope with the fact that I am an admitted server hopper, so their brains shut off and they disagree and rant. Who better to report on server hopping than a server hopper? Common guys this is getting ridiculous. Are you truly offended by this fact? Are you that immature that you are so offended by server hopping that logic completely vanishes?

Edited February 13, 2014 by Solopopo

[doctorbadsign 645]

Is it not possible that all of those "excuses" are true at the same time? I can do it, therefore I do. I also server hop to find action, not only to find items, and while doing these two things I keep in mind that it is an exploit that I should report on. 

 

Well you say you do not "like" server hopping in your first excuse, then you say you do it to find action, why implies that you like the act of doing so because it gets you to the action quicker.

 

How many times do you need to perform an exploit to be able to report on it? Have you actually reported anything substantial and worthwhile? I'd love to see it.

 

Hopping servers to take loot might have a detrimental impact on people who actually want to get the loot balanced. Have you ever thought of that whilst you were "testing"? 

[soulfirez 901]

Is it not possible that all of those "excuses" are true at the same time? I can do it, therefore I do. I also server hop to find action, not only to find items, and while doing these two things I keep in mind that it is an exploit that I should report on. 

2 out of the three statements you just made are true you can so you do true, you server hop for action most likely true that is after you have server jumped for loot mind you.. the reporting part that i dont believe when have you reported it???

 

Whats your reddit account name i might have seen you admitting to the devs your an exploiter?? do you even know how to use the tracker????

 

The clearest part that shows the last statement is just completely false and you have only thrown it in because so many ( almost everybody )has had a go at you is you have made a thread  stating  a better hopping and combat logging system that is actually easier to combat log and server hop than the current one...

 

Go home no one is falling for the stupidity that is this thread...

Edited February 13, 2014 by SoulFirez

[Grimey Rick 3417]

I made a post a while back, before the update, about how log in timers were not going to stop server hopping and that they would just get in the way of the game. That prediction has for the part come true. People still hop, and items are still swiped up at server restart. Also, players seem to successfully combat log occasionally (I have done it myself). Sometimes attacking them until their character disappears has no consequence. Sometimes they just disappear right away. So here's the suggestion I offered before the timer update.

 

The problem with the timer in it's current state is that it locks people OUT of servers. If you try to server hop, you are locked out. If you combat log, you are locked out, whilst you char remains locked in (at least that's what's supposed to happen). I think it would be a better idea to implement one timer: a log out timer that you must be present in the server for. You shouldn't be staring at a black screen, you should be staring at your character in the game until you log out. You must crouch/lay down/ rest, with nothing in your hands, for a full minute before logging out. It should take a brief period of time to break out of this state, or to stand up (5-10 seconds). When the timer runs out, you log out. If your character does not log out immediately due to connection issues, your character is temporarily made invulnerable until the disconnect is complete. Players would be very unlikely to log out in areas that are popular for server hoppers. It would be too dangerous, and people would hunt them. In this way, players themselves can contribute to punishing server hoppers.

 

With the loot system the way it currently is, I don't think there is a better alternative. Also, a lot of players have expressed a desire to be able to sleep in game. 

 

Uh... that would make more people server hop. Run in, loot airfield, run to pine tree, sit down for a minute, rinse and repeat. Your proposal kind of helps against combat logging, but it benefits server hoppers. You've mentioned many times you're a server hopper. Now we know why this thread exists.

 

EDIT: /facepalm

Edited February 13, 2014 by Grimey Rick

[Ghostflux 100]

Seriously, the people in this thread overcomplicate things. Instead of attacking the idea an individual represents, they question the moral reasoning of the individual to determine if he can even be considered credible. Yet the way he is questioned just begs for inconsistencies that he will then get judged upon. Of course the amount of insults thrown at eachother have already ruined any chance of constructive discussion.

The simple method of resolving this would have been to simply discard the idea, rather than the credibility of the person. You'd need only 1 page instead of 4.

Edited February 13, 2014 by Ghostflux

[Solopopo 330]

 

Well you say you do not "like" server hopping in your first excuse, then you say you do it to find action, why implies that you like the act of doing so because it gets you to the action quicker.

 

How many times do you need to perform an exploit to be able to report on it? Have you actually reported anything substantial and worthwhile? I'd love to see it.

 

Hopping servers to take loot might have a detrimental impact on people who actually want to get the loot balanced. Have you ever thought of that whilst you were "testing"? 

 

 

I am not trying to justify myself. That's what the "unapologetic" in "unapologetic server hopper" means. Do I enjoy the benefit of server hopping? Yes, that is why I do it first and foremost. That is why any player does it.

 

Also, it does get me into the action quicker, and that part I like. However, I don't like the negative consequences it has on the game. I would prefer if it were not impossible, so I will contribute what little I can in an effort to stop it, but I will do it unapologetically until it is stopped. 

 

What is so difficult to understand? Is it really that hard?

 

Do I like cigarettes? Yes. Do I like that I smoke cigarettes? No. 

Edited February 13, 2014 by Solopopo

[Solopopo 330]

Seriously, the people in this thread overcomplicate things. Instead of attacking the idea an individual represents, they question the moral reasoning of the individual to determine if he can even be considered credible. Yet the way he is questioned just begs for inconsistencies that he will then get judged upon. Of course the amount of insults thrown at eachother have already ruined any chance of constructive discussion.

The simple method of resolving this would have been to simply discard the idea, rather than the credibility of the person. You'd need only 1 page instead of 4.

Thank you. Have you seen what I've had to put up with in this thread? My idea aside. 

 

Is this 15th century England? Are we judging scientists for their morality?

Edited February 13, 2014 by Solopopo

[Grimey Rick 3417]

Uh... that would make more people server hop. Run in, loot airfield, run to pine tree, sit down for a minute, rinse and repeat. Your proposal kind of helps against combat logging, but it benefits server hoppers. You've mentioned many times you're a server hopper. Now we know why this thread exists.

 

EDIT: /facepalm

 

 

I am not trying to justify myself. That's what the "unapologetic" in "unapologetic server hopper" means. Do I enjoy the benefit of server hopping? Yes, that is why I do it first and foremost. That is why any player does it.

 

It sounds like you are. If you are against server hopping, then don't server hop. Additionally, perhaps come up with a better solution than the one that's currently in place. Your aforementioned solution is not better; it's worse.

 

Also, it does get me into the action quicker, and that part I like. However, I don't like the negative consequences it has on the game. I would prefer if it were not impossible, so I will contribute what little I can in an effort to stop it, but I will do it unapologetically until it is stopped.  

 

It does get you into the action quicker, whatever that action may be. Looting an airfield does come to mind.

 

What is so difficult to understand? Is it really that hard?

 

If you are proposing validity in your suggestion, then... yes?

 

Do I like cigarettes? Yes. Do I like that I smoke cigarettes? No. 

 

Then quit. #datwillpower

 

See above post, again.

Edited February 13, 2014 by Grimey Rick

[Karmaterror 982]

Don't know about the hopping stuff but as far as the log out timer goes, your right, this one doesn't do its job. The player element, the human being connected to that char is still gone instantly when they hit escape. All chance for interaction was lost completely, not like that at all on the mod. That timer (while not alt f4 proof) does the job much better because I can put them into combat and stop the logout attempt outright. 

 

Now I know they found it to be exploitable in private testing, that doesn't mean that they should just give up. And use a system that breaks immersion, doesn't do its job, and is really only offering a free yolo kill on a hopper IF your quick enough to get there. I realluy really hope the devs put some serious time in re-inventing the combat log system, and with what we have now we know its poss to keep a player toon in game and have the server perform a count. So whats wrong with having a live logout, then using the char remains in server as an alt F4/DC safety net? :)

[soulfirez 901]

 

 

 

 

I am not trying to justify myself. That's what the "unapologetic" in "unapologetic server hopper" means. Do I enjoy the benefit of server hopping? Yes, that is why I do it first and foremost. That is why any player does it.

 

Also, it does get me into the action quicker, and that part I like. However, I don't like the negative consequences it has on the game. I would prefer if it were not impossible, so I will contribute what little I can in an effort to stop it, but I will do it unapologetically until it is stopped. 

 

What is so difficult to understand? Is it really that hard?

 

Do I like cigarettes? Yes. Do I like that I smoke cigarettes? No. 

 

Ok ill forget the mountains of flawed logic and contridiction to earlier posts and just state the obvious then for about the 10th time if you dont want server hopping to happen why do you wish to implement a system that is easier to server hop than the current one,

 

Forget reading or responding to anything else i have said just make a logical explanation for that statement....

[Solopopo 330]

 

See above post, again.

 

 

Validity of my suggestion is not what I was referring to. I was talking to BadSign. Why would I stop server hopping? I don't like that it's possible, but it is. I'm not playing at a disadvantage when other players are doing it. This is going in circles. I've typed the same thing 15 times. You just jumped onto a conversation that's been going on for an hour without reading the whole thread, which pretty much sums up what's been happening in this thread all morning: incomplete, half assed, disagreements, with the occasional person that reads through the muck and gets what's going on. 

Edited February 13, 2014 by Solopopo

[Hethwill_Khan 233]

If beards ever get introduced ( and hair ) one option would be to:

 

- the more you hop the more hair you lose.

 

- therefore a bald character would be easy to identify and a half-ass-bearded dude would be hilarious.

 

- streak of hours in same server would enable the hair and manly beard to grow thick and strong

 

:rolleyes:

[Solopopo 330]

If beards ever get introduced ( and hair ) one option would be to:

 

- the more you hop the more hair you lose.

 

- therefore a bald character would be easy to identify and a half-ass-bearded dude would be hilarious.

 

- streak of hours in same server would enable the hair and manly beard to grow thick and strong

 

:rolleyes:

Beans!

[Grimey Rick 3417]

 

 

 

 

Validity of my suggestion is not what I was referring to. I was talking to BadSign. Why would I stop server hopping? I don't like that it's possible, but it is. I'm not playing at a disadvantage when other players are doing it. This is going in circles. I've typed the same thing 15 times. You just jumped onto a conversation that's been going on for an hour without reading the whole thread, which pretty much sums up what's been happening in this thread all morning: incomplete, half assed, disagreements, with the occasional person that reads through the muck and gets what's going on. 

 

 

No, I unfortunately read all of it. You're not playing at a disadvantage when you refuse to server hop. Just because someone has more bullets than you doesn't mean they're any harder to kill. I am all for a better system than we currently have implemented, trust me. It definitely has its weaknesses. I don't like being forced to wait x numbers of minutes because I accidentally clicked a server one above or below my intended target. Ah well.

 

In the meantime, it is what it is. I'm sure something more effective will eventually be put in-game. But this is not it.