Not sure why KoS is an issue.

[Trooper42o 4]

Other then no one gaining from doing it i dont understand why its an issue in a game that puts major points in loot and gathering and no reward for killing people for no other reason then loot. I accepted it as norm when i bought in to the alpha. I got myself geared to the teeth the first few days but even months later i dont understand the need or main goal of people to kill anyone they see. Takes everything good about a game under development and turns it into a grief fest with no one winning either way. Yet thousands of people do it, brag about it on the forums even tell people they suck for doing it yet do it themselves. I have never KOS'd anyone. even let people live who shot at me missed and couldnt find me. I had a blast watching them with no intent on killing them. The fun was watching them when i know they know im around. The best part of dayz in my opinion. 

 

My post is more in disappointment rather then hating kos people. KOS is a waste for everyone but on a bigger scale it keeps the level of fear inconsistant with the reasons to play. I have one of my first toons i ever created and he goes back to day 2 of steam launch. only killed a few people in defence of group mates or friends and tried to talk and work with people rather then hunt and kill with my first available shot. Im ok with dieing in pursuit of something i want or becasue i was careless. I can deal with that but i ask myself why would i kill someone i saw for no other reason then i saw them. To me engaging them in some way other then to kill them makes the experiance so much more for us both. I dont want a reward for being nice or waiting to see what happens i just dont want to feel like my only defense is to shot first ask questions later. I know better. Everyone loses when anyone kos. Yet i am well aware it happens and dont even put myself in a position where it can happen unless i can deal with it and accept its going to happen.

 

Im a hudge arma 3 fan was talked into dayz and to be honest i love it. I just wonder to myself, why more people dont play with an open mind and kos is the safest or best approach. At first i thought so too but after time i see kos is a killer for my and everyones game experiance. Its gonna happen for many reasons to many different people. They goal in this game of all games is lets try something that helps us all long term and not take a 5 min rush of blood and make the whole experiance revole around that.

 

After spending 1200$ on upgrades i still get shitty fps, but atleast it looks pretty. 

 

I would rather render a bush then hide it only to see someone kos me from behind it. Just my opinion and if this game gets anything right its the free will of people to do what they want. Even if later they see it was good or bad. 

 

Looking forward to the arma 3 mod of dayz down the road. anyone else think its a no brainer.

[GoldenKade 73]

TL;DR

but based off of your title I will only add this:

KoS isn't an issue.

[meat pie 632]

I find people who kos a enemy type.

There is the people you can reason with,the people who will rob from you,and those that just want to kill you.

[soulfirez 901]

there already is an arma 3 dayz mod its called breaking point( cant use dayz anymore as a name its owned by BIS rocket) it was for arma 2 dayz breaking point..

 

Try it out its pretty good there things in it wish would hit SA such as arma 3 stances lol but then imiss the nice little touches of SA.

 

PS good post wont help but well thought out...

[Trooper42o 4]

Well i would agree. It hasnt been a probable for me because i refuse to do it and will not put myself in the position if i can help it. im not afraid to die but i am thoughtful of whats around me and would rather see someone killing me then wonder what the hell happened. I think you may be right. The kos issue is an issue for people who do it and people who are victims of it but in reality i think anyone who loves the direction this game takes. They are the ones who understand every situation is different and to run and gun like other games would actually do u a disservice in Dayz. I understand the thrill at first but in hindsight we all understand its a game and at some point looting for shit when u have nothing is a hudge part of peoples experiance. Makes me not want to die months in and also makes me aware i get nothing from killing a guy with a school briefcase and a baseball bat. Hell if i kos i wouldnt even know his name or where he is from. Much more intresting to me. even if he is bait from a bandit gang. The worst parts of the dayz experiance are up to the players to fix. it is what it is. What we make it and want from it will be much bigger if we keep that in mind

[oregonized 673]

There are so many dicks who server hop to get geared then prey on others that everyone is afraid and would rather be safe than sorry.

[GrappleX 354]

What do you mean no one gains anything? The guy who made the kill is now exponentially safer. One party is gaining something.

[oregonized 673]

What do you mean no one gains anything? The guy who made the kill is now exponentially safer. One party is gaining something.

Yeah, he is completely safe from the bambi who JUST spawned and ran into town looking for food.  Obvious bandit is obvious.

[crazykage 1063]

OP, thank you.

you clearly expressed your opinion and views on the matter in a way that was logical and respectful.

A rarity around here.

I especially like how you respect other play styles that you disagree with by seeing the merits or understanding the other viewpoint, while adhering to your own. Very mature, with a strong sense of integrity.

To answer your question, KoS IS and IS NOT an issue. Right now, it does get out of hand sometimes. I KoS occasionally, but primarily from a lack of anything better to do. I have played the helpful/friendly/hero/whatever route, and had fun with it. But I have ALSO found it to be highly disappointing at times (help a bambi gear up by giving him a backpack full of food and suggest he go north, but he just says hes gonna go to balota to find a gun. Mind you, this was on a hi pop server where balota was likely already cleaned out and full of bandits. My efforts were wasted on him. Just one example).

Sometimes I like to find a really nice hunters hide (high ground, top of building, deer stand, whatever), scout it out, plan escape routes, take practice shoots to find the range, then come back later and wait. A player shows up, comes within my zone, and I kill him. Sounds empty and uncomplicated. Maybe even trollish at first glance. But for me, its not about the kill. Its the whole ritual of the hunt. Pitting my wits against that of another HUMAN BEING in a life or death struggle that both parties get to walk away from un harmed. The adrenaline rush of knowing that this person is just as capable of outwitting me, becoming the hunter, not wanting to miss the shot for fear of failure, and the ecstasy of successfully defeating my opponent, or the possibility of defeat (which would mean the potential for growth, improvement, and further challenge).

I have said all this before, and caught a LOT of flack for it. But what a lot of people fail to realize, is that I don't do this all the time. I have KoSed another player a grand total of FIVE times. First two were hunts, the third was a poorly geared player running straight at me that may or may not have intended harm, the 4th was a server hopper that dropped into the shower room of a barracks RIGHT NEXT TO ME, and the last was another hunting kill. Any other player kills were the results of combat I did not initiate.

Eventually, the game will have more items, concepts implemented, greater threats from the zombies, base building, vehicles, etc. ALL of these things will become tools that players can use in friendly interactions that will make those interactions more numerous, more varied, and more interesting.

Right now, we just don't have many "tools" to work with. So some people, myself included, turn to other thrills. Which themselves get boring and tiresome after a while.

There is much more coming to this game. It hasn't been out in a playable state for even 3 months yet.

We all just need to give it time.

[GrappleX 354]

Yeah, he is completely safe from the bambi who JUST spawned and ran into town looking for food.  Obvious bandit is obvious.

 

What if the other guy isn't a bambi? I never attempted to justify killing new spawns with what I said. 

[hypermoon 75]

What do you mean no one gains anything? The guy who made the kill is now exponentially safer. One party is gaining something.

I got shot in the head when I just spawned, the guy was just camping all the noobs.Happens constantly no matter what server I'm on.

 

Alot of KoS is simply because, well that's dayz. But alot of it is also because the game is unfinished and therefore limited in what one can do. People get bored, people go around slaughtering people. And because loot is so easily aquired at the moment, there is no real penalty to them putting themselves in those situations. If they die at the moment, it's not that big of a deal.

 

 

: KoS is definitely, obviously, without question a problem. Not KoS in general, but the fact that alot of players just resort to that because the games unfinished and there is just nothing to do. It will sort it self out in the future. To what degree I can't really say tho.

Edited February 13, 2014 by TripX7

[Trooper42o 4]

There are so many dicks who server hop to get geared then prey on others that everyone is afraid and would rather be safe than sorry.

 i Agree and me along with some other friends i play with had a fear of ghosting or combat logging and would head towards smaller servers but what i have noticed we were missing the never know what can happen part of dayz. Much greater risk of dieing to someone from kos or just because they can. I find it more enjoyable 80hrs in to just see how people are when being helpful or giving someone something for no gain. the longer this game is around and perfected by the devs and mastered by the people who will live it 24/7. The more we will understand killing other players is that much more enjoyable when its done for bigger reasons and for something other then a quick laugh. We all who want this experiance we get to be better and better all of us would agree. Having a soul and that soul having an impact on how u play a game in which other people have those same moral choices is rewarding only if everyone involved understands it and sees it for more then what they can do in 5 mins.

 

I have had 100's of chances to kos people and dispite be told just do it, everyone does. I want what i get from not doing it more then the 30sec thrill most people get from doing it. That should sum it up.

 

Like most things in life, u get out almost as much as u put in but if u dont put in u get nothing back. I refuse to be someones asshole that 

 

OP, thank you.

you clearly expressed your opinion and views on the matter in a way that was logical and respectful.

A rarity around here.

I especially like how you respect other play styles that you disagree with by seeing the merits or understanding the other viewpoint, while adhering to your own. Very mature, with a strong sense of integrity.

To answer your question, KoS IS and IS NOT an issue. Right now, it does get out of hand sometimes. I KoS occasionally, but primarily from a lack of anything better to do. I have played the helpful/friendly/hero/whatever route, and had fun with it. But I have ALSO found it to be highly disappointing at times (help a bambi gear up by giving him a backpack full of food and suggest he go north, but he just says hes gonna go to balota to find a gun. Mind you, this was on a hi pop server where balota was likely already cleaned out and full of bandits. My efforts were wasted on him. Just one example).

Sometimes I like to find a really nice hunters hide (high ground, top of building, deer stand, whatever), scout it out, plan escape routes, take practice shoots to find the range, then come back later and wait. A player shows up, comes within my zone, and I kill him. Sounds empty and uncomplicated. Maybe even trollish at first glance. But for me, its not about the kill. Its the whole ritual of the hunt. Pitting my wits against that of another HUMAN BEING in a life or death struggle that both parties get to walk away from un harmed. The adrenaline rush of knowing that this person is just as capable of outwitting me, becoming the hunter, not wanting to miss the shot for fear of failure, and the ecstasy of successfully defeating my opponent, or the possibility of defeat (which would mean the potential for growth, improvement, and further challenge).

I have said all this before, and caught a LOT of flack for it. But what a lot of people fail to realize, is that I don't do this all the time. I have KoSed another player a grand total of FIVE times. First two were hunts, the third was a poorly geared player running straight at me that may or may not have intended harm, the 4th was a server hopper that dropped into the shower room of a barracks RIGHT NEXT TO ME, and the last was another hunting kill. Any other player kills were the results of combat I did not initiate.

Eventually, the game will have more items, concepts implemented, greater threats from the zombies, base building, vehicles, etc. ALL of these things will become tools that players can use in friendly interactions that will make those interactions more numerous, more varied, and more interesting.

Right now, we just don't have many "tools" to work with. So some people, myself included, turn to other thrills. Which themselves get boring and tiresome after a while.

There is much more coming to this game. It hasn't been out in a playable state for even 3 months yet.

We all just need to give it time.

I am glad someone can see my points and not take them as judgments of how some may play. Like i closed my other post it applies here. You get out what you put in. You put time and thought into what you were doing. Thats all you can hope for out of how things are now and will be for the near future. I just think and i feel you agree there is going to come a time when its less a part of what people can do and what they have to do when the situation presents its self.

 

I said way back when i get geared im gonna kill everyone i see because thats what they would do. Now a few months in and fully geared still i wouldnt do that to someone like myself unless i was left with no option. Nothing gained and everything lost for the person who was killed for no other reason then to kill. People i think at heart want something more over all. But as u said we are left with how things are now and once you have everything you really need gear wise u play to help friends or play something else till your time is worth the risk

[oregonized 673]

I believe that people's attitudes in game might change once there is more to do and more of a threat from zombies.

[crazykage 1063]

CAREFULL OP!!

If we keep this up much longer, we will soon have flying pigs. Do you know how bad that would be?????

When was the last time a bird crapped on your car? OR YOU JACKET? Yeah, now imagine PIGS.....

Furthermore, if pigs start flying around, we are gonna have serious problems in the sky. Jets are designed to handle impacts from birds to the canopy and engines. NO PIGS. Our 747's are gonna start dropping like FLIES. FLIES I SAY!

And lastly, hell will freeze over, because not only is a long and intelligent and respectfull debate happening on the internet, but FUKIN PIGS ARE FLYING!!!!

If hell freezes over, then all those people that die to pig shit impacts and crashing planes will have nowhere to go, and will be forced to roam the earth, undying. ANNNNNND now we have a zombie apocalypse. With pig shit raining from the skies.

Sorry op. but I have to do this, as you leave me no choice:

You are wrong and dumb. I am right and NOT dumb. All of your points are baseless and whiny. You are a troll.

I am better than everything and also cool and popular, which you are not.

*ok. Im done for the night. g'night yall.

[Trooper42o 4]

CAREFULL OP!!

If we keep this up much longer, we will soon have flying pigs. Do you know how bad that would be?????

When was the last time a bird crapped on your car? OR YOU JACKET? Yeah, now imagine PIGS.....

Furthermore, if pigs start flying around, we are gonna have serious problems in the sky. Jets are designed to handle impacts from birds to the canopy and engines. NO PIGS. Our 747's are gonna start dropping like FLIES. FLIES I SAY!

And lastly, hell will freeze over, because not only is a long and intelligent and respectfull debate happening on the internet, but FUKIN PIGS ARE FLYING!!!!

If hell freezes over, then all those people that die to pig shit impacts and crashing planes will have nowhere to go, and will be forced to roam the earth, undying. ANNNNNND now we have a zombie apocalypse. With pig shit raining from the skies.

Sorry op. but I have to do this, as you leave me no choice:

You are wrong and dumb. I am right and NOT dumb. All of your points are baseless and whiny. You are a troll.

I am better than everything and also cool and popular, which you are not.

*ok. Im done for the night. g'night yall.

I guess if this guy/gal speaks for most people with nothing diffrent to say then ok. I wasnt trying to bark about things in the game i wish were better or point out all the things they know are needed but word it in a way that sounds original. I was trying to speak to the player in us and maybe explain to people who dont understand there is more then an instant risk reward system in any game thats going to keep me playing through bugs.if i treat everything and every person i see with the same outlook im already expecting whats gonna happen. Even make it so with what i do from one sec to the next. Very enjoyable part of the game but at some point there is going to have to be more of a forgiving we are all in the same boat approach with a risk or reward attached or this is just going to spiral into a grief fest as it can be now. We all understand that. I think. Atleast i do. Its not about what i have and they dont have but more about regardless of what shit i have in my inventory there is a reason to go on and risk an open field for a house that might 1/1000 have a can of beans.If u have nothing and dont fear dieing whats the point when ur good to go and can lay in the woods for days on end camping a loot spawn to kill a guy with a bat and a motorcycle helemt. I could have done what someone did to me. I worked 3 days straight to get all my shit back and hold up in the very same spot. When the time came i approached them and made a friend. Was my choice. Im happy with it as apposed to what i would have gotten from killing someone who was just like me because i could. Not right or wrong but an individual choice. More to gain with a small risk then instant thrill of doing what was done to me less then 24hrs ago. Im just trying to explain in some small way why as much as u have to hate it, it can be just as rewarding as disappointing.

 

It is a game after all. I just get more from it i feel i owe some of that enjoyment to the next person playing because without other people it wouldnt be a game much less one i would share my arma 3 time with. Dayz standalone will be better overall if peoples wants and joys are expressed in a positive constructive way. not everyone feels the same but if you look at peoples words and actions with $ or the number of full servers at the end of the day. We the people who play this will make it what it will be. To say wow everything sucks starting with the engine are not thinking about things in a real world. they dont have an original thought. They are just a small part of the thousands of people who paid for and spend there time playing. 

 

All i can ask from the game as it is. With everything we have covered here. I just want to not have a choice with valid resons when i roll up on someone or be caught by suprise and not think if they see me im dead. We all expect that. Or believe we have never been seen without our knowledge. Im sure. I ahte feeling like im fighting for my opinion when its just what i think. I know others agree. Even if i was unaware of that to say im wrong and your right just because you dont agree. Well that says as much about my OP as anyone has. Thank you.

[crazykage 1063]

twas just sarcasm op. A satirical comment on the rarity of intelligent debate/discussion on the internet.

I enjoyed our talk. but now I really AM off to bed.

PEACE.

....

or war. whatever....

[Trooper42o 4]

Just one small thing i want to add. I think its important and i didnt mention it before.

 

My best times playing this game was with friends on voice seeing random people for the first time. Seeing them seeing us and reacting. Thanks to dysnc it was uneventful but was a thrill all the same. The reason i like this game is something i control. My pov or way i play is what i want others to get out of it. In most cases to follow and talk to someone is a lot harder then laying next to a tree on a hill and watch them loot the the same shit you just looted an hour ago. Shot them because you can and actually get nothing from it. What is the motivation other then i got them before they got me

[deus_drone 98]

no to more KOS threads.

Please

 

I know you had the best of intentions but please no more discussions.

My eyes cannot take it

[Trooper42o 4]

no to more KOS threads.

Please

 

I know you had the best of intentions but please no more discussions.

My eyes cannot take it

i can understand your point of view. I didnt mean for this to be so focused on kos but more about the reasons there are for not doing as apposed to the gains from doing it. Those threads are everywhere. 

 

The end result. If i see someone and i dont know you i will not shot you because i can. I will wait and if u need to be shot i will do my best to make it short and sweet.

Edited February 13, 2014 by Trooper42o

[Etherious 907]

Why is there always threads talking about this issue...Your just as annoying as this.

[Trooper42o 4]

Why is saying this topic has been discussed anything but troll behavior when i wasnt talking about anything specific. I was talking about my opinion and my thoughts about something we all have an opinion on. Your observation about there being many other post about the same thing is so kind of you. We can all bask in the forum knowledge and see we have been shown the error of our ways. No1 can voice there opinion without a million people saying the same thing. Best thing to do when u have an idea. Keep it to yourself, a ton of people have already invented it. What other advise can you give me as far as what to believe and hold dear or how i can spend my free time.

 

Your opinion of my opinion is so spot on, please keep giving

[Demoth 366]

Why is there always threads talking about this issue...Your just as annoying as this.

Then don't open the threads and let them die?

[KerrSG1 113]

To answer your question, KoS IS and IS NOT an issue. Right now, it does get out of hand sometimes. I KoS occasionally, but primarily from a lack of anything better to do. 

 

So because you have nothing better to do, you think the only option is to ruin other people's fun?

[r3volution (DayZ) 19]

So because you have nothing better to do, you think the only option is to ruin other people's fun?

 

Yeah, it actually concerns me that people come to some kind of reductive reasoning which says that if there's no endgame, the only thing to do is... kill everyone you see?

 

To every KOS'er who is killing people beacuse there is 'a lack of anything better to do' go out and and try helping out some noobs/bambis. How about you embrace the challenge of helping out the new entrants to the game or people who are respawning.

 

As with the OP I don't necessarily have a problem with a proportion of people doing the KOS thing. I just get concerned when the reason that gets trotted out EVERY time is 'there's nothing else to do'. Well there is, you could try helping out someone you've never met just because. Who knows, you might even surprise yourself and feel good about it.

[DaMaakus 34]

 

To every KOS'er who is killing people beacuse there is 'a lack of anything better to do' go out and and try helping out some noobs/bambis. How about you embrace the challenge of helping out the new entrants to the game or people who are respawning.

 

Every time I see one saying "I KoS because I'm bored since there is no endgame and I have nothing else to do" I only understand something along the lines of "I like to ruin other peoples expirience and I feel good about my "power".".

 

 

Really, if you are bored by the game than you have these options:

 

- Talk to people, maybe you get killed, then you can gear up again and have something to do again.

 

- Quit DayZ for now and play something else. If I am bored by something, I stop doing it and do something else instead. And don't use "I'm bored" as a piss-poor excuse to be an asshole. And no, saying "I'm here to test for bugs" isn't an excuse either. I think every single bug regarding shooting other people is known by now. It happend a lot.

 

- Just be honest about your reason for KoS. You are an asshole and you like to dominate others. Maybe not everyone, some are probably really forced into it by behavior of others. But especially whole squads of bambi killing people and "snipers" lying around clicking all day on clueless people: You are just assholes, stand up to it.

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to insult KoS'ing people. The world had a lot of assholes before DayZ came. And I didn't care much about them either.

The only thing I could really get mad about, are dishonest people who lie about their real intentions.

 

 

@thread starter

KoS'ing, sniping and killing bambis is here to stay. Don't get your hopes up to high about more content coming in and forcing people to team play instead of KoS. Even then you will have your bambi-killing death squads and "skilled" spawn-point snipers .