Deans wants to bring Base Building Mechanics from Dead Linger - video

[bobotype3334 160]

Anyway, what I reckon is with a building system that is realistic and requires resource gathering and free placement will be great for encouraging teamwork, will take some time, and will give players something to focus around, retaking town buildings OR going full lone wolf innawoodsman and building a log cabin, alone, from scratch. However, cutting off a little realism by enforcing a 6.9-metre height limit will save physics that details why a 4 story structure cobbled together from plywood and scrap metal won't work.

 

So this stupid thread is ok but this one gets put in the grave yard?  http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/162376-if-dayz-had-rust-minecraft-esque-style-crafting/#entry1636737

Calm down buddy boo, this thread is mildly productive.

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

 

Calm down buddy boo, this thread is mildly productive.

It's the same fucking thing buddy boo.  Don't see the mods shutting this one down.

[mgc 92]

"Gathering Grass, Rocks and Sticks off the ground. Grass and Sticks are only gatherable on ground with a tree overhang and grassy ground, while Rocks can be collected from everywhere that isn't sand, carpet, cement or wooden floor. These items have many versatile uses for an innawoodsman, but I'll stick to base building here."

 

Mkay, so far not bad.

 

"Ability to craft these Grass, Rocks and Sticks into an Improvised Axe"

 

No!, just no!

Go back to MC!

I mean, nothing against mc, but weve already got mc.

Besides, i have a perfectly good axe right here, why bother going stoneage?

 

"Axes, Improvised Axes, Chainsaws and Hacksaws can all be used to turn Trees into Stumps and 3-4 Timber Log items after bashing/hacking/chopping a Tree. The Stump will become a Tree again with every item respawn."

 

How about, after chopping / sawing the tree, it becomes 1 log with a quantity attached (could be cubic feet or pounds or whatever). You then proceed by chopping / sawing bits in the dimensions you require untill the log runs out. Yes, you skip the realistic and thrilling art of woodworking, but i dont think that should be a feature in this game anyway.

 

"Timber Log items cannot be placed in the inventory"

 

I bet i could fit an entire coffeetable in my backpack provided it doesnt have to be in 1 piece. The only way i might move a big log in 1 piece is by truck. I suggest we stick to the quantity suggested above as to what will fit in inventory and what not.

 

"Metal"

 

Metal weighs a tonn so the quantity in pounds should take priority over the quantity in cubic feet when considering how much fits in inventory.

Fabricating metal parts should be similar to fabricating wooden parts but require specialised tools (so no chopping I-beams with a fireaxe pls)

 

"Pit or Pond: You can't place a Timber or Metal Pole upright without digging one of these bad boys first"

 

You forgot the concrete foundations. Unless theyre going to add "real" physics, to hell with the building code. (Theyre more like guidelines anyway). I would be interested in digging a well though. The quality and quantity of the water could depend on the amount of digging youve done. Effort = Result, no risk involved! (p.s. help! stuck in hole! need rope!)

Edited February 11, 2014 by mgc

[worst2first 71]

As I was running around as a new spawn last night I thought it would be nice if I could have used the hacksaw to cut down a stop sign to use as a club. (The sign post alone would be more effective but bashing people with a stop sign would amuse me.)  I also wish we could pry boards off of fences or buildings. If all I had was my fists, I'd be looking for any kind of weapon I could find to put a little distance between myself and the infected. 

Edited February 11, 2014 by worst2first

[bobotype3334 160]

"Gathering Grass, Rocks and Sticks off the ground. Grass and Sticks are only gatherable on ground with a tree overhang and grassy ground, while Rocks can be collected from everywhere that isn't sand, carpet, cement or wooden floor. These items have many versatile uses for an innawoodsman, but I'll stick to base building here."

 

Mkay, so far not bad.

 

"Ability to craft these Grass, Rocks and Sticks into an Improvised Axe"

 

No!, just no!

Go back to MC!

I mean, nothing against mc, but weve already got mc.

Besides, i have a perfectly good axe right here, why bother going stoneage?

 

"Axes, Improvised Axes, Chainsaws and Hacksaws can all be used to turn Trees into Stumps and 3-4 Timber Log items after bashing/hacking/chopping a Tree. The Stump will become a Tree again with every item respawn."

 

How about, after chopping / sawing the tree, it becomes 1 log with a quantity attached (could be cubic feet or pounds or whatever). You then proceed by chopping / sawing bits in the dimensions you require untill the log runs out. Yes, you skip the realistic and thrilling art of woodworking, but i dont think that should be a feature in this game anyway.

 

"Timber Log items cannot be placed in the inventory"

 

I bet i could fit an entire coffeetable in my backpack provided it doesnt have to be in 1 piece. The only way i might move a big log in 1 piece is by truck. I suggest we stick to the quantity suggested above as to what will fit in inventory and what not.

 

"Metal"

 

Metal weighs a tonn so the quantity in pounds should take priority over the quantity in cubic feet when considering how much fits in inventory.

Fabricating metal parts should be similar to fabricating wooden parts but require specialised tools (so no chopping I-beams with a fireaxe pls)

 

"Pit or Pond: You can't place a Timber or Metal Pole upright without digging one of these bad boys first"

 

You forgot the concrete foundations. Unless theyre going to add "real" physics, to hell with the building code. (Theyre more like guidelines anyway). I would be interested in digging a well though. The quality and quantity of the water could depend on the amount of digging youve done. Effort = Result, no risk involved! (p.s. help! stuck in hole! need rope!)

I don't want Minecraftian behaviours around, but it is entirely possible to throw together a usable flint axe in real life so I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to in DayZ. The option would just be there for people who want to go out into the woods without even entering town and, with difficulty, make everything from scratch. Also, let's say that they also decide to decrease axe spawns, which would make sense considering that only houses with fireplaces would really reasonably need firewood axes. Then there's an option to make a shitty one yourself. Calm down, I'm not asking for fucking diamond swords.

I thought required dimensions would be really stupid, actually. Maybe sawing timber poles/planks into half height or thickness would be useful, but apart from that I can see no situation where you'd really care about the dimension difference between a 2 tall metre item and a 1.5 metre item. If 2 metres is too tall for you, break up the timber into 1 metre planks. There is nothing to worry about. And 1 single log after tree chopping would be about 10 metres tall, which is why I said 3-4 items, buddy.

As for your genius comment about timber logs being placed in the inventory, I quite clearly state that you can chop them up into Planks in order to fit them into your Backpack. They are roughly the size of an adult's torso, which is of greater mass, in fact, than a coffee table. However, it is indeed possible to carry a 2 metre by 75 centimetre log in the arms, or you've never heard of the caber toss. I've done it before. But it is not going to fit in a backpack, so YOU need to READ the DIMENSIONS.

 

I know metal weighs a tonne. But the metal scrap I'm talking about takes up 1 slot, meaning you can only carry 35 pieces of scrap in a backpack at a time. What's so hard to understand about that? Also, I mentioned specialised tools. Can you only read the things your eyes want to see?

 

As for the pit/pond thing, concrete is in no way a necessity for digging a hole in the ground and sticking a piece of timber or metal upright in it. How do you think Wild West pioneer soldiers made their wooden stake forts? However, it's a cool idea, and so is digging wells OR traps by going deeper.

 

[mgc 92]

""it is entirely possible to throw together a usable flint axe in real life so I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to in DayZ.""

 

It is entirely possible to build a bi-plane out of wood, a lot of sewn together t-shirts and an engine. Does that mean i should be able to make one as a DIY airtransport? (C'mon, you know how dangerous airfields are these dayz)

 

""The option would just be there for people who want to go out into the woods without even entering town""

Even bear grylls doesnt leave home without a knife. You would be a fool not to check that farm on the edge of the woods. Survival is about being efficient, not romantic.

 

""I'm not asking for fucking diamond swords.""

Yet.

 

""I thought required dimensions would be really stupid""

I dont want to be messing about with cookie cutter sizes. If i want a piece of wood that is 50mm by 300mm by 1000mm, I should be able to get that from a log without to much of a hassle.

 

""1 single log after tree chopping would be about 10 metres tall""

So?

 

""As for your genius comment about timber logs being placed in the inventory, I quite clearly state that you can chop them up into Planks in order to fit them into your Backpack.""

There is many a tree out there with small enough diameter to fit in a backpack. Certain pieces of log should fit in a backpack, but we agree that you should be able to cut the wood to size first and then transport it. We disagree about the possible sizes and method of processing.

 

""metal scrap""

Sounds like were going to need a welder and a generator.

 

""I know metal weighs a tonne. But the metal scrap I'm talking about takes up 1 slot, meaning you can only carry 35 pieces of scrap in a backpack at a time. What's so hard to understand about that?""

I fail to see logic in your reasoning.

 

""concrete is in no way a necessity for digging a hole in the ground and sticking a piece of timber or metal upright in it.""

Correct. It is however necessary to give it foundations if you want it to stay put. But none of that. Attempting to simulate real physics with cheap stuff like that is unnecessary. Build it directly onto the ground and pretend it has plenty support. If at any time the devs implement real physics into base building (which id love to see). I will give you my beans and demand concrete.

Edited February 13, 2014 by mgc