Constant PVP ruins the fun of this game

[Minx (DayZ) 3]

Really? I thought it was the main point in this game... Its all been a lie!

[excitable1 156]

it ruins the game when literally 99.9 % of all of the community are completely PRICKS who have no idea how to communicate or have fun. They will shoot you one shot to head from 500mtrs away because they are too scared to even attempt to communicate and are too scared to risk a chance of death. thus they take the easy PUSSY way out and KOS.

 

People say KOS and PVP is what makes the game interesting and dangerous they don't realise they are the ones been cowards and killing the game. The more you do it, especially to fresh noobs, the more you will destroy and further make the community hostile. Every fresh spawn you kill is going to probably go and do the same thing. The game gets so frustrating when almost everyone does this. If you cannot understand this , its quite simple, then your just ignorant.

 

 

because we are used to people like you vanishing when you see us or hear us.

[leviski 2152]

Hello there

 

Leviski, you know better than that. I am dissapoint. That's point earning material. Buck your ideas/attitude up.

 

Rgds

 

LoK

Just to drop a little tid-bit I meant that little sentence to be like the meme, just was to lazy to find it. Anyways, Ta for the warning Orlok wont happen again.

[TEST_SUBJECT_83 465]

Um, DayZ Is a PVP game.

No matter how much stuff gets added, there will always be constant PVP.

The game would be boring as hell without that constant fear of what if.

[Vic (DayZ) 2]

at the beginning, i was friendly to everyone i met. after a while (being KoSed repeatedly), i changed my tactics. now i will usually get close enough to them,  make sure they don't see me and lower my voice saying "Hello! Wat's up, man?" this usually will scare the shit out of them. after seeing them freaking out i'll run away as fast as i can. it's fun :P

[Hrki 94]

Am i the only one who thinks this way?

I mean serious if i want to play a game where i have to kill everyone the moment i see him i would play COD. i mean is it really this hard to at least say "freeze" if you are a bandit instead of shooting everybody the moment you spot him?

I mean shooting people got really out of hand.

Now it looks like everybody is firing first just because he fears that if he doesn´t the other one will kill you.

I mean i know its a survival game but even in a post apocalyptic secaniro most people won´t shoot each other just for fun.

Ok im shure there are some real soziopaths out there but in general its getting really frustrating that everyone shoots bevore opening their mouth.

 

you can lower your chances of KoS if you dont have armed your weapon (dont have weapon in hands) only melee for zed's. otherwise who can beulive you that you wont KoS. But this is only the chance, and ofc dont look full military or "TsKo" they are pretty much all hoppers or bandits and they love to KoS.

[infiltrator 275]

Erm no, I'm shooting you because a) I want your food and water and B) I know how amusingly upset you people getover this.

 

Do you know how to shoot someone AND get their food/water.. because I don't, even after headshots, everything but the weapons is ruined..

 

That said, I find the PVP aspect to be really interesting and the best part of dayz.

[Hrki 94]

Hmm if you hit in head all will remain untouched. Aim for the legs and you will get only items in legs ruind (dont spray and pray to kill using m4)

[infiltrator 275]

Hmm if you hit in head all will remain untouched. Aim for the legs and you will get only items in legs ruind (dont spray and pray to kill using m4)

 

Doesn't work for me.. clean headshot, dead.. I get to him.. everything ruined.

[BossFi 90]

The guys that run around elektro with just a gun and no gear killing new spawn players for fun, well they are here because in COD they can't compete when the other guys have guns too. So they come to this game to kill easy targets. I guess they will always be noobs.

Other players fully geared are probably just bored so understandable when these guys kill other players for fun.

[Hrki 94]

Doesn't work for me.. clean headshot, dead.. I get to him.. everything ruined.

 

hmm once i did HS and he wasnt full ruined guess that was luck :D

 

i hope they will fix it

Edited February 7, 2014 by HrkiGV

[Jack Dant 158]

ah yes the senseless violence, imagine that in a game with an apocalyptic narrative ?  the very idea!

I guess you were referencing my post.

Look at post-apocalyptic narratives in fiction. Oversimplifying, you get four types of people in them:

• Survivors, normal people who have lost everything and are just trying to survive and restore their lives to some sort of stability.
• Settlements, groups of survivors who have managed to restore a somewhat normal society, with the basics of safety and survival provided by the group.
• Tyrants, who seize the opportunity to form a society with them on top. They are the warlords, the ones who organize an army and conquer and subjugate settlements.
•  Raiders, who enjoy the fall of civilization an dedicate themselves to a life of senseless violence and pillage.

I'm probably missing many subtypes, and in any setting like this there's bound to be a hero that doesn't quite fit into any of the categories. But it will do.

Right now the game limits us to playing survivors or raiders. There are no tools to form any kind of permanent group ingame. Once we get those tools, more people will move away from the raider/survivor playstyle to the settlement/tyrant one.

The senseless violence will always be there, because many people enjoy it. But it will not be the main focus of the game, because there will be violence with a purpose.

[soulfirez 901]

you can lower your chances of KoS if you dont have armed your weapon (dont have weapon in hands) only melee for zed's. otherwise who can beulive you that you wont KoS. But this is only the chance, and ofc dont look full military or "TsKo" they are pretty much all hoppers or bandits and they love to KoS.

LOL i have full TTkso gear and i dont server hop ( its pretty easy to get start in berez head to riffy across to neaf then across to the mil base by stary then north to NWAF if you live then by the end of the trip you have full mil gear no server hopping needed.

 

I dont love to KOS i do KOS in airfields and mil bases there pretty much hot spots so i make no apologies for doing it there anywhere else ill try get the jump on ya so i can talk and if the talk goes well ill trade etc with you ( often doesnt go well true KOS players usually dont talk or try run or try shoot at first contact and at that i kill them ( or try to lol)

 

Mil gear is the best gear for storage for protection why should i not wear it because you think it makes me look like a kos bandit???? basicly if you shoot me cause you see what i am wearing without finding out what i am that makes you a KOS bandit try dress it up any way you like but them the facts....

 

I judge a person by his actions not his cloths worked for me in the mod works for me in SA ( there were just as many KOS bandits with the hero skin as the bandit one to easy to farm humanity and they used it to get people to lower there guard. other side of the coin plenty of good players got the bandit skin merely from protecting themselves from these hero bandits or general survivours. the whole humanity system off the mod was broken easily exploitable and just gave people a easy way out when they wanted to shoot people....

[Hrki 94]

if i see anyone on airfield i KoS because i wont take risks, but if i see full army build like you say its best gear for storage and sometimes its bad that you cant have some normal clothes with good storage numbers... but if i see someone in some city or village il try to communicate with him (but i am hiding till i see reaction) but if you sneek in my back when i am looting some building and you have pointed your weapon at me there is no way il take the risk and talk to you :D

[soulfirez 901]

if i see anyone on airfield i KoS because i wont take risks, but if i see full army build like you say its best gear for storage and sometimes its bad that you cant have some normal clothes with good storage numbers... but if i see someone in some city or village il try to communicate with him (but i am hiding till i see reaction) but if you sneek in my back when i am looting some building and you have pointed your weapon at me there is no way il take the risk and talk to you :D

yeah at times i wish civilian cloths had as much storage room as mil gear lol i have a great fishing jacket that will hold as much gear as any mil jacket with webbing on it ....  All i can say is i hope to run into you one day where i get the jump on you after a short chat i may restore your faith in people in mil cloths( i go the green new zealand beret rather than a balistic helm purely cause i think it looks cooler( the protection the helm gives is an advanatage i am will to give up for looks lol .)

[TD808 71]

This is like saying all the driving ruins Need for Speed or all the Mining ruins Minecraft. I don't KoS and don't even PvP a great deal but the constant need to watch your back and finding strategies to survive, gives this game greater depth. The first couple of times I was KoSed, I was pretty annoyed but the more I play the less it bothers me. Lets face it without people trying to kill you, this game would just be a bean eating simulator. Now I enjoy a good plate of beans on toast but would not choose to spend all day eating them cold from a can, without some other drama or tension to make it interesting. Sitting in the sun eating cold beans is a lot less exciting than hiding in a shed, hoping the sound of you eating cold beans, doesn't get you killed.

[Wayze 549]

There is a difference between PVP and senseless PVP.

 

The PVP now in the game is mostly senseless because there is so little progression, once you gear up you can either a) start killing newspawns B) hunt people who kill newspawns c) do some sort of roleplay (and that's not for everyone).

 

There is no bigger goal to work towards, that actually causes players to compete for each and generates PVP with a purpose. The mod had those bigger goals: in vanilla you could hoard equipment in tents for when you inevitably died, or you could repair/capture/defend vehicles. Later versions added base building, which I assume did the same, but I never played those versions.

 

That sort of PVP is likely the actual endgame as envisioned by rocket. He stated almost two years ago that the biggest risk in DayZ should always be other survivors, not the zombies. So that kind of thing will come to the SA, hopefully it will encourage more permanent grouping, and teams will fight each other over resources. As that more engaging PVP emerges, the new spawns will be relatively safer than they are now.

There is even more senseless PVP in the mod. After you can store your goods, you can just go and hunt players. Who cares if you die? You will just go back to your gear and kill everyone again. And again. And again. And honestly, what would you do else? There is simply, as you said, no other end goal but to shoot each other. And if this is the purpose of a survival game, I kind of have doubt in the concept.

Essentially, you do not collect gear to defend yourself, you collect gear to have fun and kill others.

[Karmaterror 982]

Being sniped from distance, and not seeing it coming is frustrating i know. But its that constant threat of PvP that makes the game so tense. Its the reason so many say they have never had a game elicit such an emotional response. If PvP is not what ya after than its not too hard to try and avoid it, but with no base building and stuff there isnt much else to keep you entertained atm. Later on people will be all over the map aswell, looking for cars or parts, better guns when there is enough for a clear civ/mill divide on spawns.

Edited February 7, 2014 by Karmaterror

[Jack Dant 158]

There is even more senseless PVP in the mod. After you can store your goods, you can just go and hunt players. Who cares if you die? You will just go back to your gear and kill everyone again. And again. And again. And honestly, what would you do else? There is simply, as you said, no other end goal but to shoot each other. And if this is the purpose of a survival game, I kind of have doubt in the concept.

Essentially, you do not collect gear to defend yourself, you collect gear to have fun and kill others.

I beg to differ. The PVP hotspot in the mod was the barracks at NWAF, because that's where the high grade equipment spawned, and people kept going back for more and better guns. That makes much more sense than shooting people who spawn at the beach.

[Atheon 31]

I beg to differ. The PVP hotspot in the mod was the barracks at NWAF, because that's where the high grade equipment spawned, and people kept going back for more and better guns. That makes much more sense than shooting people who spawn at the beach.

 

I haven't run into shooting people on the beach, I've run into massive shootouts in electro and the giant airfield up north. 

[real meatshield 424]

and ofc dont look full military or "TsKo" they are pretty much all hoppers or bandits and they love to KoS.

this is such bullshit. you probably look at every arab you see and think "terrorist" too.

[real meatshield 424]

Doesn't work for me.. clean headshot, dead.. I get to him.. everything ruined.

bug that is supposed to be hotfixed in todays update.

[sausagekingofchicago 4711]

KoS is just part of the game.  You'll have to wade through (aka get shot by) a bunch of level 1 KoS players to find the truly clever players but when you do, it's usually far more entertaining for everyone involved.  So you can give in and join the plebs in shooting anything that moves like a coward or hold off on firing that shot and risk your gear in the hopes something of substance awaits.

 

Most people can't hit shit anyway so play smart and you can avoid the beach.

[libertine 351]

you can lower your chances of KoS if you dont have armed your weapon (dont have weapon in hands) only melee for zed's. otherwise who can beulive you that you wont KoS. But this is only the chance, and ofc dont look full military or "TsKo" they are pretty much all hoppers or bandits and they love to KoS.

Lots of people are going by this idea that military clothing = murderers. But zombie sight = human sight, so camo should be very helpful in a zombie apacalyspe. Same with gaskmasks and helmets. This is one of the issues with letting the game be a free-for-all with no enforced rules. Players in it purely for the fun are going to conflict in some ways with the players playing for the immersion who need the game to make more realistic sense.

[rybo 171]

Should have played the Mod it's no different and the SA will again be no different no matter how hard they try...Log out timers and such don't bother the COD players at all as we all learned yesterday by traveling down the coast.